Once that happens, I will be saying good bye to macOS. I've been already familiarizing myself with Linux for a couple of years. It's ugly and needs a lot of tinkering. But in many ways it's even superiour to macOS if you are a power user.
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Apple Making It Harder to Avoid Nagging macOS Update Notifications
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Once that happens, I will be saying good bye to macOS. I've been already familiarizing myself with Linux for a couple of years. It's ugly and needs a lot of tinkering. But in many ways it's even superiour to macOS if you are a power user.
Apple sure ain’t the company it used to be.
Neither are it’s products or services.
The problems I have had with Catalina music, syncing, audiobooks, data corruptions, deleted capabilities, date back to Q4 last year, and Apple just give me the run around.
Supposedly now with “Engineering” who advised, months ago, yes it a problem. And that’s it.
Stupid me, I expected a brand new Mac mini would work ok. But no.
I wasted my money and my time.
Who do I see about that? Nobody? Oh, ok, just F off.
Neither are it’s products or services.
The problems I have had with Catalina music, syncing, audiobooks, data corruptions, deleted capabilities, date back to Q4 last year, and Apple just give me the run around.
Supposedly now with “Engineering” who advised, months ago, yes it a problem. And that’s it.
Stupid me, I expected a brand new Mac mini would work ok. But no.
I wasted my money and my time.
Who do I see about that? Nobody? Oh, ok, just F off.
You can set WHEN to install updates in Win 10 under Settings.
Also, it sounds like you are using the Home edition. It is possible to delay updates up to 30 days in Professional.
Lastly, unlike Apple, you can still uninstall updates and roll back upgrades in Win 10.
Just wait until Apple requires users to update when they switch to ARM. Windows May become the lesser of two evils.
The 32 bit subsystem was removed after 5+ years of developer notices. Also, MOST steam games which say they may not run are fine - steam defaults to saying it is incompatible until the developer flags it as working.
If Adobe has not supported an operating system nearly 8 months into its 12 month release cycle, what makes you think they will ever catch up? Keep in mind deprecations typically happen 4+ years before actual code breakage, so it might be more accurate to say they are nearly 5 years behind.
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Apple deprecates and removes some piece of support every year - old API, old screen resolutions, backward compatible executable support, whatever. They they do this with years of notice.
They also tend to add features like dark mode which developers need to put work in to support.
The point is software, especially user-facing software, is never done. And if you fall behind, you lose the ability to incrementally fix things - instead, your software is broken on the latest release until you catch up.
If you want to stay running abandoned software, eventually it means you will run an abandoned OS. You won't get updates for any software, including OS security updates.
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More often than not, user has no choice but to run abandonware. Some niche proprietary mission critical software only work in older version of OS. User wants to upgrade? Nope. There was a post on macrumours saying Apple catalina breaks several music production apps, and companies are telling customers not to upgrade the OS.
I’ve seen some industries unwilling to adapt to new standards, like USB. RS232 is still very popular. Products are not really good but very expensive. Control software doesn’t run well on Windows 10, so user sometimes need windows 7 or even XP to get it right. It’s not about giving how many years of times for preparation. It’s more about how they value their customers. Apple clearly doesn’t value customers they way Microsoft do at least.
Just had a thought: If you tell Windows that your Wi-Fi connection (and all other connections) is metered, would that not be a way of permanently disabling automatic updates, since there’s an option to disallow downloading updates over metered connections?
macOS nagifications are a problem though. I get repeated nagifications for App Store updates too. I don’t think there’s any workaround to disable those.
Good point. Never tried myself but I think it should work (several websites report it does).
Im glad Im not the only one. Majave runs like a Champ, I tried Cataline a while back it was a disaster even with and SSD as a boot drive. I no longer use the SSD and Mohave runs better on the regular HD. I just hide system preferences after each use. Life could be worse.
So much for Apple's re-commitment to the professional market with the Mac Pro.
Professional users with deadlines can't afford to be Apple's beta testers.
And some professional software, like Avid Pro Tools, still doesn't fully support Catalina.
Professional users with deadlines can't afford to be Apple's beta testers.
And some professional software, like Avid Pro Tools, still doesn't fully support Catalina.
Certainly not feature updates, just the critical updates will get through, if you use a "metered" network connection.
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This does work if you haven't installed said update yet:
softwareupdate --ignore "Security Update 2020-003"
this works in Mojave and High Sierra
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/s works for me, I need a cap on my head with /s on it
Ironically if the updates were still through the App Store and not in System Preferences (like iOS settings) I doubt anybody would be moaning i.e. you have to download the app/OS before notifications. I can't touch Catalina due to software I use, hopefully there doesn't come a day where this is forced on us.
I'm ignoring this update because it activates the “major updates will be non-ignorable” warning. I did install 2020-002.
Many people have found that certain updates cause serious problems with their specific hardware and software stack. Happens all the time with Windows. I’ve had to rebuild from scratch possibly 6 systems this year that wouldn’t boot again due to bad Windows 10 updates.
Mission critical environment has other procedures and restrictions in place, instead of solely relying on OS security. Nowadays even the latest version of OS gets hacked, making “updating to latest version for security” a little bit ironic. For professionals, software not working on the field means losing money, and they can’t afford that. Ten years ago, I would choose to updated to latest version whenever possible. Nowadays? “If it ain’t break, don’t fix it”.
I’ve heard of this work around but not sure if it works. I wonder what other effect it would have on the network. Sure notifications can be annoying but they don’t compare to automatically installing updates. Unless the notification takes focus where you have to click it or click away from it then it’s not even bothersome to me.
Yeah, every day, in every way, Apple becomes more and more like the Microsoft we all hated. For those who don't know; running a Windows computer was (and still largely is) always like being in a fight: You weren't working *with* something, you had a piece of equipment and software that you were locked in a continuous battle with; frequently struggling just to get it to do what you wanted it to do with anything resembling reliability. It's still that way to a large extent, just ask anyone who has a perfectly-running Windows 10 gaming rig (*cough* me *cough*) but forgets to keep delaying the forced Windows updates. It's a common experience to have things that worked perfectly one day, only to discover that Windows has forced an update that's completely borked things up. And unlike Apple, who thankfully at least allows you to opt-out of updates if you really want to, Microsoft only lets you delay them for a limited period of time. You have to remember to do that, over and over again (or start blocking MS update servers via. your router, or perform some other arcane method that maybe, might, kind of, possibly, sort of work). It's that "always in combat" experience that drove so many towards the Mac platform, and it's that "always in combat" experience that Apple now seems driven to replicate.
As to Catalina, at this point I've been unable to upgrade since I've been unable to find a drop-in replacement for iTunes, and iTunes in Catalina, plus the way you can't manage multiple music libraries, essentially renders Catalina (but let's hope NOT future version of MacOS) "unsuited for purpose." This marks the first time that I've been completely unable to upgrade due to Apple removing absolutely critical features. So I won't be upgrading either as Apple has rendered their computers unable to perform even the most basic of tasks I require them to perform. Nice! I haven't researched it again recently, have they fix things?
With the release of macOS Catalina 10.15.5 and related security updates for macOS Mojave and High Sierra earlier this week, Apple is making it more difficult for users to ignore available software updates and remain on their current operating system versions.
Included in the release notes for macOS Catalina 10.15.5 is the following:For users still running an earlier major macOS version like Mojave or High Sierra, the Software Update pane in System Preferences typically displays a prominent upgrade button for Catalina and a notification badge on the System Preferences icon in the Dock, but until now knowledgeable users have been able to hide those items by using the softwareupdate --ignore "macOS Catalina" command in the Terminal app.
After updating to macOS 10.15.5 or Security Update 2020-003, this command no longer works, with Terminal displaying the following message:As documented in a discussion thread in our forums, there are some additional commands that can be used to temporarily remove the notifications, but it's clear Apple wants as many users as possible to upgrade their Macs with all of the most recent operating system updates.
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When their fiduciary responsibility is to shareholders it makes sense that they would want to force security updates. If a hack compromised a vast swath of the userbase that would not be kindly considered by the board if a patch was available.
Good luck waiting for iTunes or good mp3 functionally to come back because it won’t happen. Perhaps there is an app that would replace the old iTunes for you. Streaming music has replaced MP3 files just like it’s replaced CDs and cassettes and vinyl records for the most part. Some people still hold onto the old technology so sometimes there’s equipment and programs that that cater to that crowd.
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I don’t think shareholders are getting that detailed with looking at unpatched computers. I will say text stories about Macs getting attacked by security vulnerabilities are not good press for Apple. I don’t think it’s so much the investors but the overall image that they’re worried about. They have a reputation for being secure and private so any stories countering that theme aren't good
Having had not one but TWO of my machines get nuked this month in security updates where I had to do full reinstalls, this annoyance is more annoying than ever. I know windows is no better with this. Our devices really aren't ours anymore.
What’s really hilarious is that 20 years from now, today’s 20 year old’s will be saying that THESE days were when Apple was at their best with the finest emoji’s best function reduced software to play around their face with and so on.
And, it’ll keep cycling every 20 years or so.
So basically, Apple is solidifying in Catalina, what they have been doing in Mojave since Catalina. My computer has been complaining about wanting to upgrade to Catalina since it came out, and regardless of how many times I tell it to ignore it (I want to wipe my computer before installing), and it keeps coming back. It is quite annoying.
Windows 10 has Group Policy to customize Windows Update frequency and suppress feature updates, macOS does not. This is going to be fun for us EDU IT folks...
Coming soon: forced updates! Because people are loving that in Windows 10 aren't they! Our buggy updates are more important than your right to use your very, very expensive computer however you like.