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So far the trailheads that I have saved on AM to remember the locations don't seem to work or are integrated with this feature. It's not super intuitive imo, or useful out of the gate. I could be using it wrong of course, but the whole thing with Apple is the intuitive nature of the software/product. We'll see....
I'm hoping someone on YouTube does a video of this to show us the best/easiest way to use it, because as you said, it's not intuitive right now.
 
In Germany it is working fine but it’s completely useless to get an idea of Points of Interests based on ratings / reviews because it relies on Yelp, which basically no one uses here
In Poland it shows wrong information about businesses and often leads you to wrong places. Google Maps is more up to date.
 
Thing is Apple never goes “all in” and their offerings are extremely casual, superficial even. It’s a focus problem and they’ve had it for years across their platforms. We’re just now seeing the accumulation because it’s so bad you don’t need to scrutinize -it no longer requires a microscope. They’ve grown to an unmanageable size given how they operate. Case in point are silly things like iPad OS nearly always getting features from iOS a year later (this year being a notable exception). What apple excels at is killing healthy markets. You’ll get what they deign to offer
 
Full disclosure, I don't use AllTrails for the actual navigation. I export the GPX files from AllTrails and import them into something like Footpath or WorkOutdoors.
Why? Not trolling, I’ve never even heard of those last two you mentioned, maybe I’m missing out on something. I’m not a hardcore hiker. Probably only do the ones all tourists in a town do so I may not even need what you’re referring to.
 
Mentioning AllTrails is irrelevant. I don’t want a million apps for mapping when one app could do it all.
But it can’t get directions down right much less any of this other stuff. So it’s not really an argument
 
Thing is Apple never goes “all in” and their offerings are extremely casual, superficial even. It’s a focus problem and they’ve had it for years across their platforms. We’re just now seeing the accumulation because it’s so bad you don’t need to scrutinize -it no longer requires a microscope. They’ve grown to an unmanageable size given how they operate. Case in point are silly things like iPad OS nearly always getting features from iOS a year later (this year being a notable exception). What apple excels at is killing healthy markets. You’ll get what they deign to offer
But isn’t it great that Apple provides a market place for developers who don’t want to get into hardware but are still able to sell millions of dollars in apps that are more specific for a niche of users?
 
Why? Not trolling, I’ve never even heard of those last two you mentioned, maybe I’m missing out on something. I’m not a hardcore hiker. Probably only do the ones all tourists in a town do so I may not even need what you’re referring to.
I export GPX to my Garmin devices and similar apps.
 
No one I know here in San Francisco, the home of Yelp HQ, uses Yelp anymore. That company was known to be corrupt 15 years ago (sleazy sales tactics offering to remove negative reviews if a business purchased ads on Yelp, for one example), and over the last decade review traffic has dropped to a small fraction of what it once was. Google seems to have eclipsed Yelp for customer reviews.

I’ve been surprised that Apple Maps has retained its connection to Yelp for so long, it’s long past time for Apple Maps to drop it and move on.
Agree. I really don’t care for yelp either.
 
Agreed, Apple doesn’t even completely finish the US for many of its big banner mapping features. The opposite of a mile wide and an inch deep.
Exactly. I‘m in the US and don’t even have all of the Maps features. I definitely understand the frustration people in other countries have with not getting all the Maps features, but they also act like all of us in the US have it all. Even within the US, you have to be in one of the “select few” cities to truly have it ALL.
 
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Perhaps Apple should also focus on the rest of the world. It’s so damn annoying that’s lots of features don’t make it to everyone right from the get go
Perhaps you should be more realistic. As another poster pointed out, the world is a big place and mapping even small parts of it involve a lot of work. Besides, different countries have different rules on what can/cannot be mapped; different regulations, etc.
 
Why? Not trolling, I’ve never even heard of those last two you mentioned, maybe I’m missing out on something. I’m not a hardcore hiker. Probably only do the ones all tourists in a town do so I may not even need what you’re referring to.
The Apple Watch app requires your phone for navigation. If I'm out for a walk/hike, I usually prefer to only have my watch and AirPods.
 
No one I know here in San Francisco, the home of Yelp HQ, uses Yelp anymore. That company was known to be corrupt 15 years ago (sleazy sales tactics offering to remove negative reviews if a business purchased ads on Yelp, for one example), and over the last decade review traffic has dropped to a small fraction of what it once was. Google seems to have eclipsed Yelp for customer reviews.

I’ve been surprised that Apple Maps has retained its connection to Yelp for so long, it’s long past time for Apple Maps to drop it and move on.
That's the opposite of what I was hearing recently when I listened to the episode of Techmeme Ride Home podcast where they interviewed Arvin Srinivas, CEO of Perplexity AI which is one of the bigger AI players out there right now. He specifically said from their analysis, it seems that Yelp has More accurate reviews as they on average score lower than their Google counterpart, which has been suffering from a ton of botting recently, so it seems like they were balancing their AI towards Yelp data.

You may be correct in that Yelp sold out at some point, but it seems like Google is even worse now, lol. Basically they both probably suck.

I think we need some kind of blockchain ID system, maybe like Worldcoin (although I have my own problems with that, primarily Sam Altman) that can prevent a lot of these bots from occurring. You still run the risk of users being paid off for reviews, but at least it makes it more costly and difficult to manage human meatbags.
 
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Perhaps you should be more realistic. As another poster pointed out, the world is a big place and mapping even small parts of it involve a lot of work. Besides, different countries have different rules on what can/cannot be mapped; different regulations, etc.
Apple needs to pull back their rhetoric and platitudes if they can’t do it. Simple as. A lot of folks have a different experience with maps than some keynote or blurb on a website would lead one to believe. They’ve got the money and talent to bring to bear on this type of problem so is it a lack of focus?

It bears repeating : either they can’t or they won’t. The discussion centers around the answer to that. And the reasoning for the answer
 
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Alltrails works around the world, and outside of national parks, so not really rivalling....
Apple Map's trail data is also sourced from AllTrail. So probably a win - win for them. Also, the data is nowhere near as comprehensive as AllTrail.
 
Cool. We pay for AllTrails, and "free" would be nice.

Note to Apple (or AllTrails): make a pay version available that includes satellite access... often when we're on trails we're off network. (AllTrails has downloaded maps, which we use, but are they accurate?)
AllTrails maps are fairly accurate but not always up to date. I always get the latest from park rangers, especially on longer hikes. I think Apple Watch Ultra and iPhone 14 Pro and above satellite access in case of emergency.
 
Ultimately it’s not a threat just like Apple Watch isn’t coming hard for Garmin. People that know, will use stuff like AllTrails. Others will casually use it. Maybe. But mostly it ticks a box and makes for a good slide in a presentation.
 
Apple needs to pull back their rhetoric and platitudes if they can’t do it. Simple as. A lot of folks have a different experience with maps than some keynote or blurb on a website would lead one to believe. They’ve got the money and talent to bring to bear on this type of problem so is it a lack of focus?

It bears repeating : either they can’t or they won’t. The discussion centers around the answer to that. And the reasoning for the answer
Say what? No single app can cover all the world, I don’t care what device or what service, there is lot more that isn’t covered.
I use All trails but that has some serious limitations, it’s up to the user to do due diligence.
 
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The Apple Watch app requires your phone for navigation. If I'm out for a walk/hike, I usually prefer to only have my watch and AirPods.
Makes sense. I may have to look into that. That’s how I do my runs and bike rides here at home. No phone.
 
Eventually Apple will sherlock most of the apps on the App Store that aren’t games.
It’s true if the apps don’t own core API. All those GPT wrappers made a killing. Most of them were Sherlock’s by openAI. Make most of it before it’s too late.
 
That's the opposite of what I was hearing recently when I listened to the episode of Techmeme Ride Home podcast where they interviewed Arvin Srinivas, CEO of Perplexity AI which is one of the bigger AI players out there right now. He specifically said from their analysis, it seems that Yelp has More accurate reviews as they on average score lower than their Google counterpart, which has been suffering from a ton of botting recently, so it seems like they were balancing their AI towards Yelp data.

You may be correct in that Yelp sold out at some point, but it seems like Google is even worse now, lol. Basically they both probably suck.

I think we need some kind of blockchain ID system, maybe like Worldcoin (although I have my own problems with that, primarily Sam Altman) that can prevent a lot of these bots from occurring. You still run the risk of users being paid off for reviews, but at least it makes it more costly and difficult to manage human meatbags.
Google reviews is bot infested. And updates have become worse in post Covid era, ton of closed restaurants and stores still listed.
 
All trails is plenty accurate. I tested it alongside a Garmin Edge 1040 cycling computer and my Fenix 6 watch. All of them work fine with just GPS. Apple Maps (downloaded) HOWEVER was always WOEFULLY inaccurate. When trying to get driving directions to a well-known trailhead I compared Waze, Google Maps and Apple Maps. The first two nailed it with Waze offering a crazy shortcut as it often does. Apple Maps wanted me to go 40 minutes in the wrong direction into town. These are common trials, well-traveled roads and all of it in or near a national park and daily populous city. Outside cities Apple Maps continues to be an also-ran option (and even still there are issues). We aren’t talking about remote locales either. It’s sad.
You know I had the exact opposite experience, as well as most of my freinds. Google provided crazy directions, Waze may have been hacked as it showing road closures and police activity that weren't happening and suggested a long way around. Maps (TomTom based) was pretty good and provided much better directions. There may be differences between areas you are exploring, and certainly your preferences and avoidance setup that result in big differences. But in my recent experience I like the Maps routing much much better than Google. Waze is a joke around here.
 
Say what? No single app can cover all the world, I don’t care what device or what service, there is lot more that isn’t covered.
I use All trails but that has some serious limitations, it’s up to the user to do due diligence.

That's not strictly true. A decent offline client like Organic Maps that pulls in map data from OSM works pretty much everywhere. I've got detail maps in the middle of mountains in Asia, Northern arctic tundras, chunks of rock sticking out of the sea off Italy, middle of bloody nowhere in Kazakhstan, all sorts!

The amount of times that has got me out of deep poo poo is shocking.

I doubt Apple Maps will be able to even get close to that considering OS here, the "official" mapping outfit, produces utter garbage that is a liability now.
 
Remember when Apple joked that they’re bringing this to the Watch. Good one guys. :D
 
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