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The problem with Open Street Maps is they do very poor job of maintaining, and updating. It may work for some areas where there aren’t changes, but its terrible at least in lot of national parks which change the trails depending on the season or rotate the areas. Other problem is OSM geocoding is bad. It may work in some but not the places that need updates And sync with gps is an issue.

There isn't a substitute for having local knowledge and the point of the mapping is not to change stuff seasonally. Also I thoroughly disagree about OSM being out of date when as I said Ordinance Survey here provide maps which are dangerously out of date.
 
I mean, the world is a big place. Especially when the task is mapping. It’s hard enough to roll any product out globally, let alone one that literally details the surface of the planet.

Perhaps you could start your own company and do this? You see a need. Jump in there and fill the gap. You could make a fortune.

Perhaps you should be more realistic. As another poster pointed out, the world is a big place and mapping even small parts of it involve a lot of work. Besides, different countries have different rules on what can/cannot be mapped; different regulations, etc.

So you're really going to tell me that one of the most valuable companies in the world is excused for lazily rolling out their software? How deeply are you involved with Apple? It's truly unacceptable that this has to be rolled out so slowly. If you don't have the capacity to roll out features globally right away, you shouldn't announce them on a developers conference.

If mapping the world was so hard, then why did Google do it years ago?
 
When I first heard this I thought i might not renew my paid subscription to All Trails. But this doesn’t have some of the things I use like user reviews of trails. I also hike in places other than national parks.
A great start though and I’ll be trying it out when it’s released.
 
I spent a few hours trying this out, and it's not a serious threat to AllTrails until it provides hiking routes outside of the 63 national parks. Or worldwide.

I will say that if you zoom in far enough to see trails or roads, the feature that allows you to plan your own route works fairly well for a first beta.
I made a route for the park around the corner from me and it isn't a national park.
 
I made a route for the park around the corner from me and it isn't a national park.
Yes, I didn’t mean to imply that it’s not possible.

Apple Maps, as far as I can tell, only has hiking routes already highlighted in blue with all the details for national parks right now. Where something like AllTrails excels is that it has routes for all kinds of places drawn up with details. Obviously, Apple is playing catch up on that feature and I hope they consider using user input like AllTrails so that they can add a LOT more routes in a shorter amount of time.
 
Why does this need to be an iOS 18 thing? Surely out of any app, updating a map should just be anytime and all the time?

I find the Apple approach to updating apps ridiculous. They’re apps, update them throughout the year like Google Maps, Spotify, Facebook and the rest.

For all their talk of how great the App Store is, they sure don't seem to want to use it for themselves. Unless it's a subscription app, of course.
 
Yes, I didn’t mean to imply that it’s not possible.

Apple Maps, as far as I can tell, only has hiking routes already highlighted in blue with all the details for national parks right now. Where something like AllTrails excels is that it has routes for all kinds of places drawn up with details. Obviously, Apple is playing catch up on that feature and I hope they consider using user input like AllTrails so that they can add a LOT more routes in a shorter amount of time.
I fully move over to it if it doesn't kill my phone like All Trails does on long hikes. I hope to have time to get a hike in this weekend to try it out.
 
Not even close. AllTrails has conditions reports, reviews and ratings. Garmin is crazy accurate. This will be a superficial stab at low hanging fruit competitors have on offering but in true Apple fashion it’s wide as a barge and shallow as a thimble. Just look at their drip feed of new fitness conditioning like what Garmin has had for years and does much better. I did notice the health app copied Garmin connect this year. Same reason none of the cycling or tri folks I know ever seriously considered something other than Garmin Suunto or Coros.

This is just the beginning. They’ll slowly add all those features in.
 
Saying something is as good as AllFails is setting a really low bar. It’s full of inaccuracies and I can’t even count the number of times people relying on it in the northeast have gotten confused or lost. People upload their own tracks, which may be on the actual trails but I’ve also seen cases where they were just wandering, and then give their route its own name which bears no relationship to the actual trail names and signage on the ground. I literally had someone obstinately posting screen shots from that app saying they were doing the “Such-and-Such Loop” and refusing to accept there was no trail with that name, no sign that would show that name, and that in reality it was 3 different trails they’d be taking. If Apple is going to have professionals curate this information, that’s one thing, but if they blindly accept crowdsourced information like AllTrails does, there will be problems.
 
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Not exactly “sherlocking” when this is basically digitizing maps that are available at any national park kiosk. Or should AllTrails have some kind of exclusive access to walking trail mapping?
Not at all, I'm just saying that's what is going to happen. I've noticed it because I find myself downloading fewer and fewer apps as the years go by, and removing more and more apps that new iOS updates cover. And ultimately, AI will Sherlock just about everything, even games. People will be able to use AI to generate whatever game they feel like playing on a given day.
 
Why doesn’t Google have satellite messaging on Pixel phones? “Either they can’t or they won’t” according to your

Garmin is hot garbage.
I wouldn’t call garmin hot garbage, it’s just hot mess. As some one who used garmin/polar for more than two decades it’s just a jumbled up mess.
 
Apple is the most valuable international company on the planet .

A couple of resources:


 
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I was hiking in Yosemite, about 2 or 3 days from the trailhead. There is zero cell service there, even at the trailhead I was by myself.
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Think about it, if you can't read a topo map, the "you are here" dot is as useless as if you drew an "X" on the ground and I told you "You are standing on an "X". You are always "here" no matter where you go and the GPS will always uselessly tell you that you are standing in the place you are standing. Seriously all she saw was a screen filled with usless wiggly lines and a flashing dot. She could also see the direction she needs to walk. [..]
Thank you for sharing this insightful post. It's a great reminder that while technology can be incredibly useful, it is not a substitute for having a solid background in essential skills, especially when relying too much on it exposes you to risks and imprudence that you wouldn't have faced without it.
 
Perhaps Apple should also focus on the rest of the world. It’s so damn annoying that’s lots of features don’t make it to everyone right from the get go
By rest of the world you mean UK. British people do love American things.
 
(let's not talk about what happens if you are 20 miles from the road and you drop your phone in the water and can't read maps and don't own a compass.)
I struggle to read maps due to dyscalculia. I grew to love the outdoors in 2016 after frequently visiting Canada (I'm from London UK). I entirely rely on "tech" to make my way through hikes, runs and cycling sessions. I have a main phone (s24 ultra) a backup phone iPhone 12 mini & a Garmin Forerunner 955 with full routeable topo maps. The phones are in extra strong sturdy cases.

If I'm going somewhere remote I'll have a sat communicator. I'm more likely to break my compass and destroy my paper map than loose access to 3/4 separate devices.

The Forerunner is a marvel for maps, battery for days and you can route anywhere on the actual device too. All maps are fully offline on the phones too.

I get how once upon a time maps would have bailed you out in a difficult situation but dedicated GPS devices are designed for extreme conditions & have batteries that last for weeks. The old engineering adage rings true though - one is none and two is one.
 
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