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Still no universal browser access and off-line caching not on par with Google Maps which has saved my butt in dead cell spots. Google Maps still king.

So just use Google Maps if you're in that rare use case where you need maps in a browser - hardly a reason not to use Apple Maps in the far more common scenario of finding/navigating to locations.

Yes, Google still has better off-line caching. On the other hand, I think Google Maps probably doesn't work in China (didn't actually try it, but all other Google services are blocked there). Apple Maps works fine. Just came back from Suzhou where we were visiting. Not having our own data plan, we relied on a relative's cellphone for navigation. Sadly, one time that phone ran out of juice in the middle of navigation and we got worried about finding our way home. I pulled out my phone with Apple Maps and - lo and behold - Apple must have cached the entire city of Suzhou when I last looked at the map while on wifi. While I didn't try navigation, I was able to give my wife turn-by-turn navigation just because I had previously flagged our home location.
 
Google lets you opt out of location tracking. You can log in to your Google dashboard and see all of the information they collect about you, and if you've opted out of location history, you won't see any there. I honestly don't understand people's fear of Google. Their privacy terms are clear, they give you easy access to see and delete any data they've collected about you, for some things they let you opt out of the data collection altogether, and they only use your data to show you targeted ads and improve their products. They don't sell your data.

That said, I prefer Apple Maps. But it has nothing to do with privacy concerns.


I don't have a Google account so I can't delete what they have on me, and yes, they track everyone, they know a lot more about you and me even though I don't have an account, but I try to block as much as I can with Gasmask, Little Snitch and I have an always on VPN.


So people getting lost due to maps is a joke now? That’s pretty sad because when I trust a company to get me to my location and they don’t, it hurts the brand and trust with the customers. I can’t trust Apple after the hot mess Maps roll out was because it was clear Apple was way over their heads thinking they could tackle the task.

That's years ago, Apple Maps improved much more than you seem to think.
 
So people getting lost due to maps is a joke now? That’s pretty sad because when I trust a company to get me to my location and they don’t, it hurts the brand and trust with the customers. I can’t trust Apple after the hot mess Maps roll out was because it was clear Apple was way over their heads thinking they could tackle the task.

You're either a troll or really are living in the past. Nobody's saying people getting lost is a joke - but nobody believes you either if you claim that Apple Maps - today's Apple Maps, not the one from 10 years ago - gets people lost with appreciably higher frequency than any other mapping software. It's just no believable.

Apple wasn't over their head. They had a 1.0 product that was actually superior to Google's 1.0 Maps product. Apple's only failure lay in the fact that their 1.0 product had to live in a world of raised expectations by Google Maps being a 5.0 product already. And it wasn't Apple's choice in the first place! It was Google who decided to withhold turn-by-turn navigation from their iOS version of the app, trying to gain an advantage for its Android platform. If Apple wanted to stay competitive, they really didn't have much choice in the matter.

Today's Apple Maps is a better product than Google Maps for people using Apple phones in most scenarios. There's just no question about it. It has a much better user interface and sucks a lot less energy during navigation than Google Maps.
 
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Define "overhyped" and "not ready for prime time"? While it was clear, at the time, that Apple Maps wasn't anywhere near as good as Google Maps at the time that it came out, it was a perfectly good 1.0 product - better, actually, than most company's 1.0 products. It's only failure, really, was in not being as good as Google Maps right off the bat.
Overhyped: Apple claimed Apple Maps was, "the most beautiful, powerful mapping service... ever" ← (emphasis mine)
They literally removed that quote from the website. So yeah, overhyped.
Not ready for prime time: incorrect directions, incorrect landmarks, incorrectly located landmarks, melting roads... it was a mess. A mess Apple apologized for making. It was not a perfectly good 1.0 product. Trying to lessen it's poor quality by comparing it to some hypothetical "other company's 1.0 product" doesn't work.
 
Please show me the form from google and tell me the cost so I can buy my neighbor s data.

The data is anominized, that's irrelevant though, they sell it.


Can you spot the difference between your original assertion and your reply to my question?:D A question you still haven't answered btw.;)

Had to read back and forth a few times, Google sells your data, I know they anonymize it but it's still your data.
I don't have a Gmail account, don't use Google services yet they still know who I am.
They are everywhere, tracing you from site to site, don't think there are many sites with Google tracking you.
 
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apple maps needs the ability to check traffic at certain days/times instead of just live traffic.

also, it feels like Apple will never have the ability to check how crowded a restaurant is due to privacy concerns. because of hpthis, google maps will always be installed on my iphone
 
Had to read back and forth a few times, Google sells your data, I know they anonymize it but it's still your data.
Google does not sell your data. That's just a lie. Trying to massage a different meaning from that term is simply willful deflection. Google sells ad space based on anonymized data. Advertisers have no idea who you are. There's no way in heck they'd sell it. It's their most valuable asset.
I don't have a Gmail account, don't use Google services yet they still know who I am. They are everywhere, tracing you from site to site, don't think there are many sites with Google tracking you.
More deflection. You not having a gmail account or google services has nothing to do with this conversation.
 
Google does not sell your data. That's just a lie. Trying to massage a different meaning from that term is simply willful deflection. Google sells ad space based on anonymized data. Advertisers have no idea who you are. There's no way in heck they'd sell it. It's their most valuable asset.

More deflection. You not having a gmail account or google services has nothing to do with this conversation.

Not trying to deflect, It's what I think is the truth.

I know advertisers don't know my name or the place I live, they do know what I stand for, or what I am, therefor it's my data, and yes, Google knows people better if you have an account or use their services.
I don't want to have personalised adds yet even if I don't use Google nor go to their sites I still get those, so yes it is relevant.
 
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Overhyped: Apple claimed Apple Maps was, "the most beautiful, powerful mapping service... ever" ← (emphasis mine)
They literally removed that quote from the website. So yeah, overhyped.
Not ready for prime time: incorrect directions, incorrect landmarks, incorrectly located landmarks, melting roads... it was a mess. A mess Apple apologized for making. It was not a perfectly good 1.0 product. Trying to lessen it's poor quality by comparing it to some hypothetical "other company's 1.0 product" doesn't work.

Complete BS. I attended the WWDC keynote in which Maps was announced. The statement you claim was never uttered. The only accurate word in your quote is "beautiful". If you'd like refresh your memory, go to
- announcement of Maps happens at 1:38:40.

Saying mapping software is not ready for prime time because it gave wrong directions is astonishingly misleading unless you qualify it with a percentage: how often, percentage wise, does it have to give wrong directions before it's "not ready for prime time"? By your definition, Google Maps even now is not ready for prime time - after all, it still has all those shortcomings you list (just with very low probability of happening.)

Yes, Apple apologized for letting its users down with Apple Maps. But it wasn't because of Apple Maps absolute quality, but because users had previously enjoyed a better experience with Google's version X of Maps and users, therefore, went backwards. If Apple iPhone users had never had Maps before iOS 6 and got Apple Maps 1.0 with iOS 6, they would have been ecstatic. That's why I said it was a perfectly fine 1.0 product. Even then, I bet less than 1% of navigation requests resulted in wrong destinations being reached.

And like it I said, some of the blame of the map fiasco has to be laid at Google's steps. Apple would have been perfectly fine continuing its mutually beneficial relationship with Google vis a vis maps - just as they still do with Search - if Google hadn't started giving its Android app preferential treatment, putting Apple in a competitive bind.
 
On a recent trip to Japan I used Apple Maps exclusively for walking navigation (including inside the airport) and transit navigation.

The transit navigation was spot on and actually much better presented than Google Maps.

The only way you can have a true opinion is to use both and compare instead of whining about ‘how bad it was’ (years ago). Apple Maps is mature, stable and in most areas better than Google Maps... and the privacy factor tips it in Apple’s favour.
 
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Complete BS. I attended the WWDC keynote in which Maps was announced. The statement you claim was never uttered. The only accurate word in your quote is "beautiful". If you'd like refresh your memory, go to
- announcement of Maps happens at 1:38:40.
I don't need a memory refresh. You, however, may want to read my quote again. The only accurate words in my quote are all of them. That quote, "the most beautiful, powerful mapping service... ever", was posted on Apple's website describing Apple Maps. Soon afterwards they changed it to "a beautiful vector-based interface that scales and zooms with ease". That's a far cry from most beautiful, powerful mapping service ever. As I said, overhyped.
https://9to5mac.com/2012/09/29/appl...most-beautiful-powerful-mapping-service-ever/

So yeah, not complete BS. Actual fact. Hope you had fun at WWDC though.;)
 
Years ago, I switched to google maps for reliability. Within the last year, like so many posters above, I’ve gone back to Apple maps. Apple maps has become WAY more reliable than google maps, and in head-to-head competition with a coworker, who drives the same route(s), same distance, Apple maps has beat out google maps over and over again.
Apple is finally getting this fixed.

And for fun, here’s a pic of an Apple van I spotted in May of 2017, Corona, Calif.
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Whenever I ventured somewhere unfamiliar, I needed Google Maps. This was my preference for years - I liked Apple Maps, but Google Maps was more accurate with where my car was when I was driving. Now - for some reason, Google Map's tracking on me is a little off.

I was in Florida for a week a month ago and had to switch to Apple Maps because my position was off on the map with Google. I don't know what changes they've made but it's become a problem. Sometimes you aren't given a lot of time to make that upcoming turn and Apple Maps was simply doing it better. Not sure when this will get fixed, but I'll be sticking with Apple Maps for the time being.
Agreed, the joke is getting old, Maps came a long way and surpassed Google Maps in many ways, and in the meantime won't sell that data or have dubious privacy standards.
The claims that Apple Maps is not good can be placed under the "it's not 2012 anymore" file.
 
Only thing Apple could improve is the “along your route” search function. I want specific fuel stations (Costco fuel) - not just suggested fuel stations.
 
I've very seldom use Google Maps since I primarily use Garmin when I'm traveling away from home. I'll have to try out Maps the next time I hit the road.
 
To our best knowledge, the only states that Apple has yet to confirm surveying are Arkansas and Oklahoma, although Twitter users have spotted the vehicles in both states since last year and perhaps earlier. It's possible the vehicles were only passing through those states without collecting mapping data.
I live in Norman, Oklahoma, and saw a Maps vehicle last fall. It was traveling northbound on Jenkins Avenue at its intersection with Timberdell Road, and while it's a fairly significant thoroughfare in Norman, it's not a route that I'd expect one to take if they were just "passing through," especially not on an interstate trip.
 
I'm sure the maps are just fine in many places, but here on the Big Island, they've got some work to do.

Not long ago I had an address pop up on a website, and for whatever reason, when I clicked on it Apple Maps came up (I wasn't using Safari). The location didn't look right to me . . . and google maps showed that it was about .5 mile away from the true location.

Last year I had a friend who foolishly asked Siri to guide him from the Kona Airport to my house . . . he was taken all the way downtown (about 4 miles beyond where anybody else, including Google, would have turned him, and then 3 miles back up to my house.

I realize this may seem like just another one of those "but it doesn't work for me..." postings, and I'm sorry about that. Really, though, -- on this island, in my experience, Apple Maps is not reliable. This is especially true in the rural areas.
Just curious, might weak cell signal be the cause with how it affects the accuracy? I was using Google Maps in Kauai (I know, different island)and had problems (from picking up current location to delayed response) due to weak cell signals.
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If it makes you feel better, they are still entertaining.
 
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The last time I used google maps, I had an eye-opening experience.

I had to take the wife's car in to get an oil change at a dealer. I looked it up on my Google Maps iOS app. Later that evening, on my laptop, the website ads that started propagating everywhere were for other Volkswagen dealers in the area. I was "on the list" for car shopping simply because I needed directions to a dealer.

Now, some of you are going to say, "well, ya". I didn't expect them to jump devices so freely. I expected the next ad *inside* my google apps might be that. I didn't expect to open ESPN.com on my laptop and see them everywhere there.

That was my naivety, and I'll admit it. Got shook. Never used Google Maps again. Fortunately, Apple Maps have mostly caught up over the last 18 months, and it's now a non-issue. That wasn't the case until they hired the "locals" all over that were charged with making sure things are good. I appreciate that this has, and I expect never will, be tracked via Apple Maps.
 
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Not bull, many agree and switched solely to Apple Maps, Google Maps has more mistakes than Apple Maps nowadays, you're living in the past as some others do, as I said before, the joke is getting old.

I’m with you. When  Maps first came out I continued to use Google Maps, but eventually I switched over and now I prefer  Maps. Every now and then I will make a trip with Google Maps to see if I am missing something. I have left each experience preferring  Maps and going back to it on the next trip.
 
I wouldn't say Apple Maps is better than Google Maps at this point, but there is definitely a feeling that Google Maps is trying to do too much. And when Google is trying to do too much, you know they are either tracking or selling ads to you.
 
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Apple Maps may not get you outright lost any more, but in regards to businesses, points of interest, etc., Google Maps is still head and shoulders above Apple in rural Middle America. Google Maps even has the building names on my university’s campus.
 
This is good, well those in the U.S anyway.

I'm not. Perhaps after Apple maps completes it own in Austraia, i might switch.. but until that happens..
 
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