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Nope, I really doubt Apple "pulled back" inventory. What I'm saying is every outlet knew all along how many phones they were getting for pre-order. Demand just outstripped supply for certain models like happens pretty much every year.

This is the correct answer.

The carriers and retailers (Best Buy, Target, etc.), submitted forecasts to their respective Apple sales execs, who submitted those forecasts to management.

Apple sales and operations management used those forecasts and allocated inventory based on manufacturing capacity.
 
I assumed from the get go Apple gave very very small quantity of phones to each carrier location. It's not surprising either as I'm sure they'd rather people buy directly from them.
 
So you reason that the carriers didn't learn anything with all these launches, either? Apple just said to them, "Hey, we got some phones for you. NO IDEA how many, but just start selling preorders. It'll 'shake out'".

Laughable.

And as far as people not learning a thing after all of these launches? Well, yes, I did. Hedge your bets and make sure to get a phone on launch day by ordering(Good god strike me down) two phones from two different sources when online ordering advertised to start at 12:01am PST crashes across the board.

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I know it's worded oddly. I felt that the carriers actually never had the phones so you can't pull anything actually from them. I was referencing pulling back 'deliveries to' the carriers.

You are correct, though.

They have a rough idea, but between cancellations and fluctuating inventory, the dates change. That's why every launch date everybody goes into a panic about pending and expected ship dates and it often works. There will be a lot of people freaking out next week because their orders are still showing as processing while others have tracking numbers.

I ordered my ip5 from AT&T and it showed pending until midweek, then popped up at a staging center in the city I live in.

And yeah, double orders don't help the immediate situation. But the upside is that inventory shakes out to be an available device for another customer. Of course that customer is likely going as ******* as you about their slipping delivery date- so it ends up being a wash.
 
Please re-read my post. That isn't what I said, especially in regard to your "any" comment.

But how do you explain the disparity with each model, size, and color? On ATT, when you choose different colors for instance, the time to ship changes.

This means they have a call-in number of each specific type that they are expecting on scheduled date ranges. Only Apple could give them this info so they can state expected delivery to the consumer.

ATT isn't going to make stuff up out of the air as your wording alluded to.
 
But how do you explain the disparity with each model, size, and color? On ATT, when you choose different colors for instance, the time to ship changes.

They have to guess ahead of time what the demand is going to be like for a particular color/storage combo. In other words, if you guess that 5% of pre-orders want the 64GB gold model and the actual number is 10% you run out pretty quickly. The rumor mill has been saying for a long time that the 6 Plus has been facing production issues which means they couldn't produce enough in time for the launch. That would explain why the 6 Plus sold out sooner than the 6.
 
But how do you explain the disparity with each model, size, and color? On ATT, when you choose different colors for instance, the time to ship changes.

This means they have a call-in number of each specific type that they are expecting on scheduled date ranges. Only Apple could give them this info so they can state expected delivery to the consumer.

ATT isn't going to make stuff up out of the air as your wording alluded to.

ATT isn't making dates up; it's projecting the worst case scenario for delivery based on info Apple gives them. It's like when Amazon says 5-10 days for delivery even though the odds are good you'll get it before then.
 
ATT isn't making dates up; it's projecting the worst case scenario for delivery based on info Apple gives them. It's like when Amazon says 5-10 days for delivery even though the odds are good you'll get it before then.

Your comparing rivers to fruit.

It's not projecting worst case scenario. There are so many people that had a September 19th delivery date for ATT that now don't. That wasn't a worst case projection. That was a projection of inventory that they thought they were going to have, but actually aren't. Most likely because Apple contacted them letting them know the numbers they were quoted aren't going to happen.
 
They have to guess ahead of time what the demand is going to be like for a particular color/storage combo. In other words, if you guess that 5% of pre-orders want the 64GB gold model and the actual number is 10% you run out pretty quickly. The rumor mill has been saying for a long time that the 6 Plus has been facing production issues which means they couldn't produce enough in time for the launch. That would explain why the 6 Plus sold out sooner than the 6.

This is for the 6, not the 6P. And btw, the Gold 64 6 is 7-10 days while the Silver 64 6 is 21-35 days expected delivery.

ATT couldn't just pull that range and differential out of a hat. Now just have to wait for the planes to start coming in force.
 
Since there are reports that this is such a big preorder launch and there now seems to be a little chaos with shipping times, I think there may be a conceivable notion that Apple is telling each of the carriers to expect less-than-promised phones for launch day.

Seems Apple may be telling them this in order to appease anyone using the Apple website or the Apple app to order, but had major issues getting an order done. Many of us here at MacRumors noted that the Apple online store took a couple of hours to go live, while the Apple mobile app let sporadic orders complete throughout the morning.

Apple direct is still holding at 3-4 weeks delivery, while carriers such as AT&T are showing delivery well into November for some phones ordered within a couple hours of preorders going live.

I think Apple may be bulking up supply to their stores in anticipation of people not accepting the current delivery times for online ordering and showing up in bigger than anticipated crowds looking to score a launch day phone.

Thoughts?

Doesn't everyone know to order straight from the source.....
 
Thankfully for me,yes. I'm glad so many waited for :apple: to solve their issues last night and eventually order from them. Made ordering at 255am on AT&T Premier a 1 minute breeze with a 9/19 delivery date.
Thanks again everyone who persevered with :apple: earlier yesterday.

Doesn't everyone know to order straight from the source.....
 
from another thread:

this is pretty much SOP for verizon pre orders

don't worry, unless something drastic happens like apple suddenly saying no plusses for anyone, verizon will ship according to email.

you guys are forgetting, apple and these carries signed contracts. you don't think people do business any more by hand shake, do you? if apple causes verizon to lose customers by not providing the phones they promised, do you think verizon will just say "aw shucks" and move on? no, there will be serious repercussions to apple in a corporate way. apple would much rather screw over regular end users than big cell phone carriers by not providing apple.com pre orders to regular joes.

thats pretty much business 101
 
I ordered my phone from Foxconn. 9/19, on the invoice. I used an interpreter through chat, and they charged my card already. Shipping out from Shanghai.

:p
 
from another thread:

this is pretty much SOP for verizon pre orders

don't worry, unless something drastic happens like apple suddenly saying no plusses for anyone, verizon will ship according to email.

you guys are forgetting, apple and these carries signed contracts. you don't think people do business any more by hand shake, do you? if apple causes verizon to lose customers by not providing the phones they promised, do you think verizon will just say "aw shucks" and move on? no, there will be serious repercussions to apple in a corporate way. apple would much rather screw over regular end users than big cell phone carriers by not providing apple.com pre orders to regular joes.

thats pretty much business 101

Let's compare initial shipping estimates between Apple and (all other carriers). From what I have seen, Apple seems to be the shipper that seems to be keeping its initial estimates for the most part. I think the 'regular joes' are, percentage wise, getting their phones at a higher rate on launch day than the 'special joes' who ordered on cellular carrier websites.

Just my personal example alone goes like this. I ordered identical phones from Apple and ATT about 20 minutes apart at about 3am. Apple promised delivery on the 19th, as did ATT. ATT then slipped to 7-10 days a few hours later, and another couple hours after that, delivery slated for November 9-27. Apple is still showing the 19th. This is definitely happening to many ATT customers that ordered online whereas Apple orders holding rather well.

So. The customers Verizon theoretically loses just decide not to get ANY cellular service and abandon the iPhone altogether and go live in a cave?? Lol. No. They go to another cellular carrier. But would they over a...phone not being available on day one? Not likely.

You have it twisted. Apple is going to have droves of people showing up at their stores. Business 101 would have you take care of people with faces on your doorstep first that shop in your stores, then customers that buy through electronic means and secondary sales entities.

As far as repercussions to Apple? The cellular carriers are more than happy to have Apple do these releases regardless of how it starts for them. They are making millions of dollars and especially with ATT, are getting some good convert customers onto the NEXT program which they have been pushing very hard.

Verizon may very well run things differently than ATT, but they are dealing with the same supply channel as everyone, including Apple, which is in China. If they aren't producing at Apple's expected rate, then fewer phones show up here, and shipping times increase. Simply put.
 
Your comparing rivers to fruit.

It's not projecting worst case scenario. There are so many people that had a September 19th delivery date for ATT that now don't. That wasn't a worst case projection. That was a projection of inventory that they thought they were going to have, but actually aren't. Most likely because Apple contacted them letting them know the numbers they were quoted aren't going to happen.

OK. Go ahead and believe your theory then. I've been buying iPhones from ATT since Day One and preordering when available so I'm familiar with the history. Go back to the iPhone 5 launch which is a great example of how orders come in faster than ATTs inventory system can keep up with. They widely oversold that one and had to issue a mea culpa.
 
Since Apple and cellular companies have released official tracking numbers via email/text and UPS/FEDEX, can anyone confirm whether or not original September 19 delivery dates that were promised and pushed back will or will not meet the September 19 delivery?
 
I pre-ordered so I wouldn't have to stand in line overnight.

The peasants get what scraps are left after us pre-order nobility have had our turn at the buffet.

Wow I honestly think some of the jokes alone keep me refreshing this forum Im literally LMAO! Great usage of the words scraps, nobility and buffet....
 
Since Apple and cellular companies have released official tracking numbers via email/text and UPS/FEDEX, can anyone confirm whether or not original September 19 delivery dates that were promised and pushed back will or will not meet the September 19 delivery?

Looks like Apple will deliver all as promised, and att will be better, delivering Oct orders on launch day. However, att is pulling from store stock to do this, so expect much less in store on launch day.
 
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