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Apple May Have Considered Purchasing Tesla, Researching Audio to Predict Heart Attacks
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No, what is ridiculous is the amount of time you're supposed to spend at one of these charging stations. 20 minutes for a 50% charge. The people arguing for this company keep ignoring that. It's unrealistic. It's ridiculous, really. HOW LONG for a 100% charge? I don't care how many charging stations there are in the future, if they can't overcome that charging time, the platform is a JOKE. NO ONE but an electric fanatic would wait that long to refuel. Oh wait. Fanatics. Apple. Maybe it IS a match made in heaven, after all.
So after you drive 200 miles in three hours the first thing you want to do is spend $60 on refueling in 5 minutes and get back on the road? Can you even go to the bathroom that fast? With a family of four?
The reality is that you won't be charging from empty. The goal is to place these chargers about 150 miles apart. That way, a 265 mile range car arrives about a 1/3 full and can recharge to 90% in about 30 minutes and make it to the next stop.
I prefer to relax for an hour having a nice meal with my family while my car fills up for free.
If that's the way you drive, this car is not for you. But there are many that this model works just fine.
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Tomlinson Holman isn't an engineer, but a liberal-arts degree self promoter who's myriad of attempts to do real engineering work have been abject failures. The THX system is widely discredited and has been abandoned by the cinema industry. Holman claims to have invented 10.2 audio, a system that clearly was incapable of doing what a proper new system like Dolby Atmos can do. Holman was hired to install surround sound systems on Steve Jobs' yacht, and fast talked Jobs like he's done his whole life. A system designed to "save lives" designed by Tomlinson Holman has zero chance of working. It will be hyped by him to the max, however - just like this news. Don't seen Jony Ivey self-promoting - it's not in keeping with Apple culture.
So, basically you are (really) upset that Tesla Model S isn't enough better? Thanks for the opinion.
Of course you're right. And they were never going to amount to anything other than a niche toy car maker...
I'm not sure why I'm even responding to you - you're clearly a visionary that I should be making my investment decisions based upon your insight.
Right. You want to stop not every 250 miles, but every 150 miles and EAT? So you EAT every 2 hours you're on the road? (and since there's supposedly only 6 "free" stations, you must not go very far). Sorry, but I'm not buying it even with a family (and no I don't have kids). Now I don't know about you, but I can drive 250 miles in 3.5 hours and still go the speed limit in many states. And no, I don't have to pee every 3.5 hours. When I drive to Canada (and I go 1-3 times a year on average), I've got 5 hours of driving to do in each direction and I stop once, typically at 300-350 miles and that's it. I may or may not eat depending on if I plan on eating at my favorite pub in Niagara-On-The-Lake the same night or whatever, but I sure as hell don't stop every 150 miles (2 hours) and EAT every freaking 2 hours. At that rate, I'd have two meals done before lunch. I've driven to Florida plenty of times and that's a 1.5 day drive. I stop to eat ONCE, keep snacks cans of soda in the car for any passengers and use the restroom when I gas up unless someone has to go really bad. I'd never get there if I had to stop every 150 miles and "charge up" for 20-30 minutes. It'd take 3 days to drive 1000 miles. I'd have to spend a bare minimum of 2 hours and 15 minutes charging the car and not getting anywhere and I don't mean for one nice dinner break, but every 2 hours whether I like it or not and PRAY that the chargers aren't all already taken (heaven forbid there was a line of cars waiting to use the chargers; you could be stuck there for HOURS to just get charged up to drive another 2 hours and then do it all over again....
That's simply not acceptable in my book or anyone else's book I know except the few of you in this thread trying to sell me on Tesla electric cars at $70-90k each for what is actually a $20-34k Subaru equivalent save the drive train. I've heard of making lemons out of lemonade, but give it up. It's never going to work the way it is now except as a second (work) car and that's one hefty price to pay for a work car, IMO. Usually you get the sports car as the second car and keep a junker to just beat to death driving to work. Here you pay for a Porsche 911 and get a Subaru equivalent and have to drive it to death to try and get your money back except you CAN'T drive it to death because it can only go 150 miles before it's time for the 20 minute charge or 250 miles before it needs a full charge which I don't know how long it takes (I'm figuring an hour plus with a supercharger station and all night long for a normal household setup).
I can beat this dead horse all day long if you like. I don't see why you're trying to defend it as a daily driver. If you like it for a show off piece and have lots of cash you don't know what to do with, fine. But it's not going to save the world (again the pollution just moves to the power plant) and it's not very practical except as a daily commuter and it's a pretty damn expensive daily commuter, relegating it basically to people making $100k+ plus a year or so for the most part that don't know how else to spend their money. Personally, if I were going to spend ~$90k on a car, I'd get a Nissan GT-R. You can get the $90k Tesla equivalent acceleration in a $26k Subaru WRX or $38k Dodge Charger or Challenger no problem and have plenty of cash leftover to take it on a cross-country trip for the next 6 months.
I'm not "upset" about anything. I just gave my opinion that it's good that Apple didn't buy Tesla and I get attacked by a few fanatics that are trying to sell me swamp land in Florida, basically. I'm just making my points in response. I'm sure what Tesla is doing will eventually trickle down to something more affordable and useful, but it's a hobby/toy right now, IMO. The limitations don't justify the cost in my mind. If you want to buy one, go ahead. It's still a free country the last time I checked (other than the insane taxes that we supposedly fought against with Britain and now deliver in spades to ourselves anyway with very little "representation" for the average person).
Yes, you are correct, my bad. Actually, Tesla has sales office and service center relatively (~10 miles) near by where I live.
On second thought, I think Tesla X will be better balanced car overall and fit perfectly the SUV category (weight wise). Model S is a bit fatty (top model closing on 5000 lb) to my taste or to be called a sport sedan.
Although, price will still remain very high. I also, do not understand outcry about gas prices vs electric. It is laughable to see Tesla buyers bitching about gas prices or free charge. Well after they paid 50K premium for the car, they may come as broke a little bit
. Also, for this amount, I think it is wiser to invest into stocks. Investing in cars - is just waste on long run. Once you catch 200-300% gainer, you may buy Tesla for the change.With my commute - one charge on middle sized battery pack would last me a month of commuting. Good, but gas was not bugging me either. Someone was right, the best way to save is to change job location, so you do not need to waste your time and money on sitting in the traffic.
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It may not work for you but it's been my daily driver for over a year. Best car I've ever owned. I've had BMWs, Porsches, and Mercedes.
Others seem to think so too.
http://www.cnbc.com/id/101428802
Others seem to think so too.
http://www.cnbc.com/id/101428802
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All cars depreciate so that's nothing new, you can do a battery swap at a super charger station that offers it cheaper than you can do an engine swap. There are hardly any fluids to maintain so you save cost there, charge a superchargers and you dont pay for fuel. The funny thing is if you can get a Tesla, you can sell it for more then retail in some high demand countries in Europe lol but thats off topic.
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Great to hear, we have a Porsche and BMW at home and I'd trade the Porsche in for the Model S too but I'm still waiting for Tesla to open up shop here. The BMW M3 though I'm a bit more hesitant to let go of lol.
Yes, all cars depreciate -- on something like a 10-15% per year basis. A full battery replacement on a Tesla will set you back around $12,000.00 and it will become necessary at around 8-10 years.The point I was making was about resale value. The technology advances that most of us expect over the next few years, in addition to the newer entries into the market at a lower price (including one planned by Tesla), will tend to drive down the value of the older cars faster than average. I think this is a safe bet. All that said, if you can afford one I don't think any of this worries you much.
Go do a swap at their station?
http://www.teslamotors.com/batteryswap
cost around $65
http://www.wired.com/autopia/2013/06/tesla-battery-swap/
off topic, the segment of the video where elon goes "we got some extra time so lets do another one" is reminiscent of Jobs during his key notes
And after you've done that 200 times, you've paid for a new battery pack, but gotten a used one.
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You're going off topic, you don't NEED to do this all the time. You were concerned about battery memory, so I suggested if you feel your battery is not charging as good as it used to, go and do a swap. If you just need to charge then go and do a free charge. If you are going to sleep at night, plug it in.
As for cost, its either free or cheaper than gas so I don't what you're still going on about.
btw this is in the news today.
http://www.fastcompany.com/most-innovative-companies/2014/industry/energy
I never mentioned battery memory, so I don't see where you find my concern about it. My point was entirely about the cost of replacing the battery pack and its likely impact on depreciation. The reason why you don't know what I am going on about is because you haven't paid attention to what I am going on about.
No, what is ridiculous is the amount of time you're supposed to spend at one of these charging stations. 20 minutes for a 50% charge. The people arguing for this company keep ignoring that. It's unrealistic. It's ridiculous, really. HOW LONG for a 100% charge? I don't care how many charging stations there are in the future, if they can't overcome that charging time, the platform is a JOKE. NO ONE but an electric fanatic would wait that long to refuel. Oh wait. Fanatics. Apple. Maybe it IS a match made in heaven, after all.
So you're saying that you'd rather pay $60 for gas rather than wait 30 minutes to recharge for FREE? My time is valuable but for $60 I think I can manage to chill out for 30 minutes.
If you're comparing a $30k car to a Model S then it is not for you, period. No one considers purchasing a Porshe Panamera or Mercedes S class then settles on a Subaru WRX because it has 'equivalent acceleration'. That's like thinking about getting an iPhone 5s but settling for a $75 Android feature phone because the screen is the same size.
So all those stations are FREE? Bullcrap. I heard 6 out of hundreds are free and for how long? People are reaching at straws now. And sorry, but my time is worth more than that per half hour and I don't need to waste more money for less either. I look for value, not luxury.
Well, you're right. Some people are out of touch with reality and would waste tens of thousands on a hand bag or shoes and think nothing of it since they have to have that prestige and shove it in others faces to feel better about themselves. Who cares if there are starving people in the world. You deserve that $2 million super car! Go for it! There is no god. There is only now for tomorrow we die!
They are all (over 70 today and over a hundred next year) free for life.
Now you're just making up stuff.
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Supercharger access is FREE for all Tesla Model S owners and soon they will be located along all major highways in the US.
Either you don't understand the value of time or you're extremely wealthy. Do you realize that $60 for 30 min of your time is equivalent to a job that pays $120 per hour and $249,000 per year (assuming 40 hours per week for 52 weeks)? The other 99% of us regular, non-rich folk, don't mind waiting 30 minutes if it means we keep $60 in our pockets.
Well, you're right. Some people are out of touch with reality and would waste tens of thousands on a hand bag or shoes and think nothing of it since they have to have that prestige and shove it in others faces to feel better about themselves. Who cares if there are starving people in the world. You deserve that $2 million super car! Go for it! There is no god. There is only now for tomorrow we die!
You clearly have a resentment towards people that spend money on things you don't agree with. We only live once so if someone can afford to buy nice things you should be happy for them, not jealous and bitter. Just because someone buys an expensive car doesn't mean they aren't also helping others who are in need.
Apple Shouldn't Buy Tesla, but (Blank) Should!
FWIW, that's the title of a recent Street article:
Apple Shouldn't Buy Tesla, but (Blank) Should!
"...besides, has anyone even taken fifteen seconds to analyze Apple's past acquisitions? It consists of $50 million here and $100 million there for a few relatively unknown tech startups. You think it's just going to hunt down Tesla -- perhaps one of the most hyped companies in the past year -- and shell out $40 billion or more?
"Good grief!
"But...there is one company that can both afford to acquire Tesla and have it make sense: Google."
FWIW, that's the title of a recent Street article:
Apple Shouldn't Buy Tesla, but (Blank) Should!
"...besides, has anyone even taken fifteen seconds to analyze Apple's past acquisitions? It consists of $50 million here and $100 million there for a few relatively unknown tech startups. You think it's just going to hunt down Tesla -- perhaps one of the most hyped companies in the past year -- and shell out $40 billion or more?
"Good grief!
"But...there is one company that can both afford to acquire Tesla and have it make sense: Google."
I've seen cars waiting 20 minutes in line at Costco just to save a few pennies per gallon on gas. Now that's ridiculous. Or how about the guy who drives across town to the cheapest gas station?
The fact I can charge my car overnight and know exactly how much it will cost me for the foreseeable future is worth so much to me when I know gas will likely be over $5 a gallon soon.
I suppose that is a nice feature if they're all free. How can Tesla afford to guarantee that for life? Or is that hefty premium built into the price of the car?
I think I do understand the value of time. I spend enough of it working as it is. Time is worth more than a price put on it or I'd work more hours. At some point I have what I need, but I can't get more time, particularly more time with youth.
Traveling 150 miles even in my inefficient gas guzzler costs me about $25 on average (less with all freeway miles; more like $20 there since we are talking about freeway travel for these stations). Even at 30 minutes and $40 an hour I'd make more than that working that time instead as overtime (i.e. time beyond what I'm required to work which filling gas falls into, IMO). And yes, I can a LOT of overtime if I want it. I don't. And like I said, time is worth more than money to me precisely because it's a limited quantity whereas my bills are mostly a fixed quantity and I make far more than I need.
I have a resentment towards a "no one would buy that car if they could have a Mercedes" type argument (i.e. posh/lavish/luxury/prestige is more important than function and worse yet it's being shoved in my face as an argument against in such a snooty sounding way). To me, opulence for opulence sake is akin to pride/vanity. It doesn't do my soul any good, so-to-speak. If I WERE going to spend that much, I'd want more performance than I already have (i.e. Nissan GT-R is an excellent car in that range or upgrading a stock car to some nice racing specs would be fun to do). I can't really justify that kind of hobby to myself, though, not when I can do something useful with it instead.
As for living once, I'd disagree there. I'm no Hindu, but I do have past life memories and to be perfectly honest, I have no desire to (be forced to) come back to this world again. I view this planet as kindergarten and I'm tired being around people who haven't learned to play nice with each other so-to-speak (just watch the news to see what I mean, let alone the history books). It has a very depressive effect on me.
As I said a few posts ago, if some of you love that car, fine. Just don't try to convince me it's a good value or a pollution saver when it's neither. It's a high-end toy that may some day pan out to be one of those things, but right now it's a rich play thing and that sort of "status symbol" has zero appeal to me.
It's free. Period. Elon Musk has stated many times that the entire network is free for life. Since they're solar powered and the real estate is in public parking spots, it's relatively inexpensive for them to setup. Cheaper than setting up a gas station.
Traveling 150 miles costs me about $4.
My wife drives a Nissan Leaf that she bought used for $22k. It's 100% electric and more efficient than even the Tesla. Of course it doesn't have the range or the Supercharger network but it works for her lifestyle of less than 75 miles around town per day. And she charges at home every night and never has to go to a gas station. Does that also make it a status symbol or a high end toy for the rich? $22k is cheaper than most econoboxes.
Electric cars are here to stay. The fact that other manufacturers are getting into it shows that this is the future of personal vehicle transportation.
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Are we talking about the same battery pack? If you can just go and swap it for another one and drive off whats the issue?
Uh, yeah. I think so. Basically they are selling you a charge, not a new battery pack. You get someone else's used pack, recharged -- not a new one. Then someone else gets yours. The entire purpose of this program is for Tesla to give owners an opportunity to take long trips with their cars, not to keep them from ever having to replace the batteries. Eventually your car will require a new battery pack, which cost around $12k.