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And then converted to digital for transmission over the auditory nerve to the brain.I prefer for the kluge to be optional and external to the phone. I've been using this external kluge for years now, lightning to AUX in my car, it's fine. Then the space for the kluge internal in the phone (mostly air) can be used for something useful.

Good god, what does your first point have to do with anything at all??? Is Apple proposing an implant? No? Are you deaf and already have a bluetooth enabled implant? No? Then we must go on hearing analog and our devices must continue to output it if we want to hear them. This is not an argument; it's a simple fact of the human condition.
 
Good god, what does your first point have to do with anything at all??? Is Apple proposing an implant? No? Are you deaf and already have a bluetooth enabled implant? No? Then we must go on hearing analog and our devices must continue to output it if we want to hear them.
Yes, and I'm doing all of that without the headphone jack! Have been for years! How long must I continue to sacrifice a chunk of my phone because others want to live in the past?
This is not an argument; it's a simple fact of the human condition.
And completely irrelevant.
 
Ok I did not read all of the 34 pages of this Thread ... but here is my question:

At the end of the day at work, my iphone is lacking battery, So I get in my car and plug my iphone Via Lightning to charge it up during my ride from work to home using the cigarette Power. I then plug the 3.5 headphone Jack cable to my Aux input in my car to listen to my music or Podcasts on the car speakers ...

Reading this headline scares me ... Can I charge AND Listen to Podcasts n my car Aux. input Both at the same time using just the Lightning port on iPhone ?
 
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Ok I did not read all of the 34 pages of this Thread ... but here is my question:

At the end of the day at work, my iphone is lacking battery, So I get in my car and plug my iphone Via Lightning to charge it up during my ride from work to home using the cigarette Power. I then plug the 3.5 headphone Jack cable to my Aux input in my car to listen to my music or Podcasts on the car speakers ...

Reading this headline scares me ... Can I charge AND Listen to Podcasts n my car Aux. input Both at the same time using just the Lightning port on iPhone ?

If you have the right adapter(s). See Apple's dock as an example.
 
If you think that you've never listened to a pair of good wired headphones or your hearing is shot. Try a pair of Shure SE846's with custom ear inserts and 4 or 6 strand Double Helix cable and you will hear something special.

Again. For. Most. People.

What percentage of people with an iPhone use headphones that cost more than the phone itself?
 
This is Apple. There will be a solution for antiquated systems, like an adaptor. But I have a feeling you won't want to use regular 3.5mm jacks once you realize how much better sound via Lightning port will be. You'd be amazed what DAC and an amplifier can do to boost the quality of sound and maximize the quality of HD tracks. Plus, that internal real estate will be filled with something more useful. Apple is completely ahead go the game---they can make Apple Music HD streaming, and they have a popular (though not very audiophile) headphone brand. They have everything they need to kill 3.5mm, just like iTunes and AppStore mostly killed DCD drives...I remember when people gasped as Steve Jobs showed off the iMac, without a floppy drive. Does anyone care now? It just takes time.

Jobs liked to quote Henry Ford who once said about customer research before producing the automobile, "If I asked people what they had wanted they would have said a faster horse."

Definitely some valid and convincing points! So long as I don't get forced to buy Beats lightning earphones then I suppose i'll adapt. I've listened to uncompressed songs through a Sony HD music player and while it was noticably better I wasn't in a huge rush to go out and spend lots of cash to upgrade. That being said i'd welcome the update if it quickly became the standard, however I know Apple will keep a tight grip on the MFi program like they have been doing with other lightning accessories which will ultimately limit the speed of roll out of 3rd party in-earphones & headphones.
 
Yes, and I'm doing all of that without the headphone jack! Have been for years! How long must I continue to sacrifice a chunk of my phone because others want to live in the past?And completely irrelevant.

I'm sure there are blind people who use the iPhone who can't see the screen. How long must they continue to sacrifice a chunk of my phone because you want to live in the past?

With ANY feature there are going to be some users who don't use it. That doesn't mean that they should dump every feature that isn't used by every last consumer.

I'm perfectly happy to "live in the past" if the alternative is upgrading not just headphones but every car and every stereo I currently plug into. And no, having the phone a tiny bit thinner and either a tiny bit smaller or a tiny bit of space available for something else isn't benefit that outweighs the cost for me. Especially when it would require that headphones draw power, either supplying it or drawing it from the phone, as well as added size and weight to the headphones to include the DAC.
 
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The so-called "iPhone 7" will likely be more than 1mm thinner than the 7.1mm thick iPhone 6s as a result, according to the report. The sixth-generation iPod touch could be a comparable device, with a depth of 6.1mm, but the portable media player still has a 3.5mm headphone jack.


Article Link: Apple May Replace 3.5mm Headphone Jack on iPhone 7 With All-in-One Lightning Connector

Well there is a Apple Product out there that is 6.1 mm thick and has a 3.5 mm jack and it has existed over 3 years its the iPod Touch. So I Call "BS" as to there not being enough room, and 3.5 mm jack has another Funktion that you tend to forget the Length assures that leverage dose not cause it to break of which I can't say ist assured in any way with the Lightning connecter which wie often Replace because the connector broke at its base and that in the simple task of charging the Phone and not being manhandled in and out of Pockets.
 
Reading this headline scares me ... Can I charge AND Listen to Podcasts n my car Aux. input Both at the same time using just the Lightning port on iPhone ?

You don't think the engineers and designers at Apple are going to come up with an elegant solution for this? Come on now...you all act like Apple just started designing hardware yesterday.
 
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You'd be amazed what DAC and an amplifier can do to boost the quality of sound and maximize the quality of HD tracks.

Not as amazed as you will be when you find out that the iPhone already has a DAC and an amplifier conveniently built in, with a universally accepted connector giving you access to a huge selection of quality headphones in several form factors.
 
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It allows what apple wants, to go thinner. It's not about apple claiming internal space. The prediction of them using the lightning connector may be wrong, they just recently patented the half height jack 22 September of this year.

What? Where is internal space being discussed? The patent is clearly about making it thinner.

http://9to5mac.com/2015/11/27/iphone-7-headphone-jack-lightning/

It's about thinner, I'm not sure where you are coming up with making room for apple pay which they already have. Nobody is discussing reclaiming space inside

It's not just about thinner at this juncture. Do you really think Apple would change a well intrenched standard if they didn't have to? But in any case, when you make a product thinner, just where do you think they're going to expand all that stuff which used to take up more thickness? That's right, in the space where the gigantic headphone jack used to be. Pay was just an example of new features Apple may introduce in the future -- you don't see Pay on anything smaller than an iPhone 6 do you -- which suggests they may have needed the extra size to make it all fit. And there's nothing stupider than that shaved-off phone plug patent, which by the way, the patent was granted this year, but the patent itself was filed in May of 2011. So I'm sure you're right and an idea that originated before 2011 makes more sense than the Lightning connector which appeared on Apple devices a year later, audio standards for which were just released a year ago December. /s Apple is not going to create a new standard for audio jacks that themselves need an adapter without providing some other benefit. ALL of the arguments being made against the Lightning connector also apply to the half-height proprietary mini-phone jack. 3rd party headphones won't be able to use it without an adapter, they will be forced to pay more for an Apple license to build a native plug, or include an adapter with theirs. The only benefit is that the free headphone Apple gives their customers will work with third party audio products, and where's the advantage to that for Apple?

But you clearly know far more about all this than I do. /s
 
I'm sure there are blind people who use the iPhone who can't see the screen. How long must they continue to sacrifice a chunk of my phone because you want to live in the past?

With ANY feature there are going to be some users who don't use it. That doesn't mean that they should dump every feature that isn't used by every last consumer.

I'm perfectly happy to "live in the past" if the alternative is upgrading not just headphones but every car and every stereo I currently plug into. And no, having the phone a tiny bit thinner and either a tiny bit smaller or a tiny bit of space available for something else isn't benefit that outweighs the cost for me. Especially when it would require that headphones draw power, either supplying it or drawing it from the phone, as well as added size and weight to the headphones to include the DAC.
Well, yeah. I was just taking a contrary position. I'd still like to see the headphone jack go, but it's not that important.

Or maybe I should say important but not urgent. We cannot move forward if we keep old stuff around. Eventually the jack needs to die.

Adoption of USB accelerated when the iMac didn't have all the legacy ports, just USB. Do you remember the abomination that was the centronix parallel interface? It needed to die, but nobody wanted to do the deed. The iMac showed the way.
 
You don't think the engineers and designers at Apple are going to come up with an elegant solution for this?

Considering the precedent of other ugly kludges like the AV adapters for lightning ports, as a matter of fact I don't.

Or maybe I should say important but not urgent. We cannot move forward if we keep old stuff around. Eventually the jack needs to die.

Adoption of USB accelerated when the iMac didn't have all the legacy ports, just USB. Do you remember the abomination that was the centronix parallel interface? It needed to die, but nobody wanted to do the deed. The iMac showed the way.

"Needs"? No, the tiny bit of extra space might be useful to apple but there's no alternative that's a real improvement over the current jack. Sure there are ways to work around it, but not without making headphones more complex, expensive, and slightly larger (any space saved on the phone is given back on the headphone side). For some applications like cars that already include the port it's fine but for other things like headphones and any playback system that doesn't have digital tech it just makes things more cumbersome for no reason.

USB was an improvement over previous alternatives. Any replacement to the headphone jack is still going to result in the output of stereo analog audio, different technology but no improvement in the sound that comes out.
 
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Ok I did not read all of the 34 pages of this Thread ... but here is my question:

At the end of the day at work, my iphone is lacking battery, So I get in my car and plug my iphone Via Lightning to charge it up during my ride from work to home using the cigarette Power. I then plug the 3.5 headphone Jack cable to my Aux input in my car to listen to my music or Podcasts on the car speakers ...

Reading this headline scares me ... Can I charge AND Listen to Podcasts n my car Aux. input Both at the same time using just the Lightning port on iPhone ?

Interesting point.

Aside from the obviously compatibility issues I think it's a good idea. The 3.5mm jack is beyond outdated at this point and I'm sure part of their reasoning is to improve audio quality. Since I don't use 3rd party headphones, I'm all for it personally.
 
It's not just about thinner at this juncture. Do you really think Apple would change a well intrenched standard if they didn't have to? But in any case, when you make a product thinner, just where do you think they're going to expand all that stuff which used to take up more thickness? That's right, in the space where the gigantic headphone jack used to be. Pay was just an example of new features Apple may introduce in the future -- you don't see Pay on anything smaller than an iPhone 6 do you -- which suggests they may have needed the extra size to make it all fit. And there's nothing stupider than that shaved-off phone plug patent, which by the way, the patent was granted this year, but the patent itself was filed in May of 2011. So I'm sure you're right and an idea that originated before 2011 makes more sense than the Lightning connector which appeared on Apple devices a year later, audio standards for which were just released a year ago December. /s Apple is not going to create a new standard for audio jacks that themselves need an adapter without providing some other benefit. ALL of the arguments being made against the Lightning connector also apply to the half-height proprietary mini-phone jack. 3rd party headphones won't be able to use it without an adapter, they will be forced to pay more for an Apple license to build a native plug, or include an adapter with theirs. The only benefit is that the free headphone Apple gives their customers will work with third party audio products, and where's the advantage to that for Apple?

But you clearly know far more about all this than I do. /s

I think everyone out there clearly knows more than you since you are just inventing stuff.

I clearly am not trying to pretend I know what tim cook is thinking and I will leave inventing apple's intentions to you. The patent is clearly to make it thinner.

You seem to think apple is worried about you and what you think, they are not, they are about making money and selling adapters and getting a cut on a proprietary connector (cough, lightening, cough) is ****CLEARLY**** an advantage to them whether YOU think so or not.

You are not able to channel cook no matter what you think, if you could you would see it's all about profits and his bonus.

I also clearly do not get upset when someone questions a billion dollar company, but then I do not worship anyone or anything.
 
The 3.5mm jack is beyond outdated at this point and I'm sure part of their reasoning is to improve audio quality.

I'm sure if they did something like this they'd use "improved sound quality!" as their excuse. But they'd be lying.

And other than the possibility of replacing with something smaller, the 3.5 jack isn't outdated at all. The only improvement from a new connector would be size.
 
I actually don't mind moving to a digital connection. However, I'd rather it use a universal standard rather than an Apple-specific connector. Also, if Macs don't get Lightning ports added at the same time, it would be another obstacle for consumers.

Also, Apple better hope at least 80% of customers will hear an obvious improvement in sound quality over traditional headphones. Otherwise, they're going to have a hard time explaining.

Plot twist: What if Apple makes Lightning free for any manufacturer to use?
 
Also, Apple better hope at least 80% of customers will hear an obvious improvement in sound quality over traditional headphones.

Nobody will hear any improvement from a new connector. There simply isn't any improvement to be made there.
 
Pay was just an example of new features Apple may introduce in the future -- you don't see Pay on anything smaller than an iPhone 6 do you -- which suggests they may have needed the extra size to make it all fit.

My watch would beg to differ.

Regarding the headphone jack, I'd be very upset to see the jack gone. It's the standard. I can go buy a nice set of headphones and use it with anything that has a headphone jack, whether it be my iPhone, my personal laptop, my work laptop (a Dell), my work cell phone, etc. Removing the jack removes usability. I can't believe Apple would be so foolish, and hopefully there's nothing to this rumor.
 
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Interesting point.

Aside from the obviously compatibility issues I think it's a good idea. The 3.5mm jack is beyond outdated at this point and I'm sure part of their reasoning is to improve audio quality. Since I don't use 3rd party headphones, I'm all for it personally.

Personally I think this thread needs to be shut down. There is no reason to debate any further if people ignorantly post any drivel without having absorbed or comprehended the tiniest amount of information which was posted before. It's getting beyond ridiculous and frightening at the same time.

[Yup, the 3.5 mm jack is holding back sound quality; that's it. Not the DAC built in the phone. Probably Apple really desperately wanted to deliver a better sound all along but because of the outdated but unfortunately world standard 3.5 mm jack, they thought: "**** it!" and caved, decided not to improve on the DAC and shipped the phone with ****** headphones, too. Because any better headphones would have been wasted on the outdated 3.5 mm jack anyway.

But next year is the year when Tim Cook will grow some balls and will change the wold for the better. Again! Just like he did with the latest Mac Mini and the upgraded iMac line.

And a digital output via Lightning is much better, anyway. It's digital! Sound quality will jump 20% on average - with Classical Music probably more. The Chellos especially come out a bit more crisp with its sounds tending to hover more freely in space using digital connectors. We just plug in our new digital headphones (another 20% increment in sound quality - AT LEAST!!) and we finally hear the light and are wondering how could we have ever lived before in the dark ages of analog headphones and analog connectors. Apple has done it again - a bold step forward into the world for modern people.

And imagine what could be done with the space saved by not having the outdated jack. We could fill in with something useful. Maybe even brain matter just in case the modern phone user has a lack of it!

Maybe the 3.5 mm jack is the real reason why the iPhone can't record videos in stereo sound. The 3.5 mm jack was blocking the space for a second microphone!!!!

And the phone could finally be made thinner. 6.1 mm! Maybe even 6 mm. What a marvellous achievement (Let's ignore the fact that the iPod Nano is just over 5mm WITH A 3.5 mm JACK)]/S
 
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