Someone ran a test on youtube that had an image stuck for thousands of hours and had no burn ins for a samsung oled. Yeah, no human will have their phone stuck to one image for more than a 1000 hours. Burn in issue will be at zero.
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Apple Mini-LED Display Supplier Says Demand Shrinking As Rumors Suggest Transition to OLED in Coming Years
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microLED is essentially still vapourware. I'm starting to wonder if it's going to go the way of SED.
Who’s talking about phones. Apple already has state of the art OLED on the phones. This is about laptops/desktops.
That will limit by display options!! Unfortunately I'm one of those few people that get headaches from OLED displays!!!
I don't see this happening. Even with iPhones, which ship 100M+ units a year, Apple sources panels from Samsung and other industry suppliers that generally use very similar tooling for other handset manufacturers that also source OLED screens for their phones. There are economics of scale across the supply chain itself, even if Apple sources the best variant of the OLED panel. Or what was Samsung's best OLED mobile phone panel, last year
The same is not true for micro-LED - it's inferior to OLED, there is no significant adoption in the supply chain outside of a very niche group of chinese TV manufacturers and high end Samsung TVs (which nobody buys).
Apple is going OLED across the board (*edit - expanding to the Macbook Pro / iPad Pro panels, which will have better display characteristics than the consumer OLED panels (which will come later) on non-Pro iPads/Macbook Air). The mini/micro LED experiment hasn't really gone anywhere and is being dropped.
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Yeah, I don't see microLED replacing mini-LED anytime soon. Going to OLED seems to make more sense at least in the foreseeable future. OLED won't hit 1600 nits of course, but it doesn't have to. A high end 32" OLED that can do 1000 nits would be amazing. The main question is if they can achieve 6K at that size. Or 5K at 30". I would be overjoyed to see a pro level Apple 201 ppi 30" 5K OLED HDR1000 display, but I don't think they'll do that. 6K 32" OLED or bust.I don't see this happening. Even with iPhones, which ship 100M+ units a year, Apple sources panels from Samsung and other industry suppliers that generally use very similar tooling for other handset manufacturers that source OLED screens. There are economics of scale across the supply chain itself, even if Apple sources the best variant of the OLED panel. Or what was Samsung's last OLED panel, last year
The same is not true for micro-LED - it's inferior to OLED, there is no significant adoption in the supply chain outside of a very niche group of chinese TV manufacturers and high end Samsung TVs (which nobody buys).
Apple is going OLED across the board. The mini/micro LED experiment hasn't really gone anywhere and is being dropped.
I don't see this happening. Even with iPhones, which ship 100M+ units a year, Apple sources panels from Samsung and other industry suppliers that generally use very similar tooling for other handset manufacturers that also source OLED screens for their phones. There are economics of scale across the supply chain itself, even if Apple sources the best variant of the OLED panel. Or what was Samsung's best OLED mobile phone panel, last year
The same is not true for micro-LED - it's inferior to OLED, there is no significant adoption in the supply chain outside of a very niche group of chinese TV manufacturers and high end Samsung TVs (which nobody buys).
Apple is going OLED across the board (*edit - expanding to the Macbook Pro / iPad Pro panels, which will have better display characteristics than the consumer OLED panels (which will come later) on non-Pro iPads/Macbook Air). The mini/micro LED experiment hasn't really gone anywhere and is being dropped.
Maybe. If they can make large OLED panels with the same characteristics as the ones on the latest pro iPhones, it would be a good thing. I must admit that I remain skeptical. High-quality large OLED panels are currently prohibitively expensive and it’s not like other costs are going down. The question is if Apple can afford to offer OLED across the board.
High quality high pixel density OLED computer displays are very expensive.
High quality high pixel density microLED computer displays are non-existent, and none are on the horizon either.
Sure, but folks here talk about Apple replacing their current mini-LED displays with OLED. I’m not sure it’s going to be feasible (cost, volume production) in the near future.
No, for OLED. There are reasons why OLED monitor is still rare in 2022.
I have 3 65” OLEDs various generations. We watch a lot of sports and not one exhibits a bit of burn in.
If you’re watching mainly news or channels with static information bars then surely a $1600 tv may not be the best fit
Mini-LED is a failed attempt to mimic the benefits of OLED. It’s impressive at first blush but there’s only so many times I can look the other way at screen uniformity issues on a display purporting to be aimed at the Pro-minded user. Does the industry know something about OLED that we don’t? Has it over-egged its bold claims about panel life?
The current iPad Pro/Macbook Pro 14/16 display:
SDR brightness: 600 nits max (typical)
XDR brightness: 1,000 nits max full screen, 1,600 nits peak (HDR content only)
Macbook Air M2 display:
500 nits brightness
Oled is a absolutely upgrade for current Macbook Air, is easy to have 500 mites brightness and better display quality. But the question is would Oled be a upgrade for Mini-led display?
I will definitly buy a new Oled Macbook Air but doubt about having a new iPad Pro or Macbook Pro. It seems unlikely to have 1,000 nits or 1600 nites peak brightness.
I think the Apple's sales strategy is applying the OLED on low-end product and keep the Mini-LED for high-end product.
SDR brightness: 600 nits max (typical)
XDR brightness: 1,000 nits max full screen, 1,600 nits peak (HDR content only)
Macbook Air M2 display:
500 nits brightness
Oled is a absolutely upgrade for current Macbook Air, is easy to have 500 mites brightness and better display quality. But the question is would Oled be a upgrade for Mini-led display?
I will definitly buy a new Oled Macbook Air but doubt about having a new iPad Pro or Macbook Pro. It seems unlikely to have 1,000 nits or 1600 nites peak brightness.
I think the Apple's sales strategy is applying the OLED on low-end product and keep the Mini-LED for high-end product.
MicroLED is more than a decade away. The main problem with MiniLEDs is they just look horrible anytime you enter a dim environment which is practically a necessity if you want to enjoy good HDR. No matter how bright a display can get, HDR is only impactful in a dark room and MiniLEDs show a lot of haloing in content in such a scenario.
Heck, I frequently use my iPad in bed at night before turning in and if you have dark mode turn on, it looks awful with white text. It’s glaring on the Apollo Reddit app. I legit think my 2018 iPad Pro looks better than my M1 iPad Pro because the screen is uniformly gray instead of uneven on the M1.
The Tab S8 Ultra I have with an OLED display outclasses both in a dim room.
Apples to oranges. Only small OLED panels can get that bright. Once you enter tablet or TV territory, brightness is lower at 600 nits.Don’t you use iPhone outdoor?
Or maybe because miniLED sucks @ss from a straw. The blooming is atrocious. I bought a miniLED TV, but I deeply regret it, never again. Until microLED, no new TV for me.
Not a great example since both of them are tiny devices. Not really comparable with larger displays. Keeping its quality is another topic.
What is your thinking based on?
I think that if OLED was longer lasting than LCD, then because of its colour and battery-saving quality Apple would've made the switch already, not only in small devices.
As far as I know, QD-OLED‘s quantum dot-derived sub pixel colors are still fixed, so dynamically assigning four neighboring subpixels to blue would not be possible.
That’s true. LCD took decades to replace CRT. OLED took decades to enter the PC market. I don’t think there would be any commercial product featuring microLED in 2020s. Some estimates indicated microLED will be used on smartwatches as early as 2024 but it’s just too optimistic.
The display they’re going to use for Macs will be two-stack tandem and LTPO which increase the longevity.
According to this, it doubles the brightness and quadruples the longevity compared to current OLED:
What exactly are two-stack OLED’s, and the fight for supplying them to Apple
Current OLED’s offer a one-stack OLED configuration, for those that only have a single emission layer, applying two-stack, dual-emission…
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