Apple Mini-LED Display Supplier Says Demand Shrinking As Rumors Suggest Transition to OLED in Coming Years

[Regbial]

Crap... I hate OLED tbh... If given the choice I'd rather something that lasts than something you know, by design, lasts less... and ends up with uneven colors later on. (Doesn't blue degrade faster than the other colors on OLED?) IDC about the improved darks and blacks and colors you barely notice on day to day use over OLED.. Or the extreme nits of brightness.. I mean honestly, when do you need such brightness? (what? you're going to constantly use your devices outside in the full sun? Cant find a little shade on the street? Open the full shades in your office so the sun blasts you all day?) It's not healthy for the devices themselves and your own skin and eyes to be in such bright sunlight..) My 2019 iMac's display still looks as great as day 1... and side by side with my OLED iPhone, I can barely even see the difference in the blacks..

One thing to remember is there's a lot of static elements on the UI of computers.. which could create burn in. I hope this fact staves off this unnecessary change..

 

[Brandon916]

I miss the good ole plasma and CRT days.

Weakness of plasma was that it can't get really bright but it can hit 600Hz. TV nowadays can only do 120Hz.

 

[UnbreakableAlex]

My next apple product, be it an iMac or an ipad, will be with an oled display. I can wait.

 

[svish]

Looking to see a laptop from Apple with OLED display.

 

[duck apple]

I would say it’s the opposite. OLED is far superior to MiniLED in HDR as it has effectively millions of dimming zones vs; 2500 on the MiniLED making for a much more impressive contrast ratio. Yes it isn’t as bright but it doesn’t need to hit the same brightness due to higher perceived contrast.

Compare this HDR photo on your different panels to appreciate the brightness of Mini LED.

Oh, don't just look at it in Safari or any other browser on Mini LED iPad Pro or iPad Pro 14.
Download it and open it in iOS native Photos app; no other apps can show you true brightness of the bulb.

 

[duck apple]

For the OLED side:


QD-OLED is cool because if you wanted to show a 400 nit blue on a normal OLED you'd need to run the blue pixel at 400 nits, which burns it out quickly. While on a QD-OLED you set the 4 "white" OLEDs to 100 nits each and then use quantum dots to make it blue. This means you can get much brighter and are only putting 1/4th of the load on your OLEDs. Also you don't have the issue of stuff like the blue OLEDs burning out faster than the red and green and destroying your color accuracy.

But this only solve the issue of short-life blue sub-pixel.
To reach 1600~2000 nits of max brightness on high resolution larger display running on battery, such as on iPad Pro 12.9", how much more battery capacity will be needed? Hot much more heat will be emitted? My iPhone 13 Pro get really hot under sun and it's only 1000 nits max.

 

[duck apple]

Heck, I frequently use my iPad in bed at night before turning in and if you have dark mode turn on, it looks awful with white text. It’s glaring on the Apollo Reddit app. I legit think my 2018 iPad Pro looks better than my M1 iPad Pro because the screen is uniformly gray instead of uneven on the M1.

The Tab S8 Ultra I have with an OLED display outclasses both in a dim room.

I hate watching display in dark.
I hate dark mode.
I hate my iPhone 13 Pro getting absurdly hot just taking one or two picture under bright sun and then the display will was dimmed down and reviewing picture became guessing work.

 

[Jorbanead]

I agree , but what about brightness? Normal consumer level OLED TVs and displays usually only go up to 250 ~ 600 nits.

They’d likely use two-stack tandem OLED displays which double brightness. They could easily get to 1000 nits and maybe even more.

 

[maccymac42]

Which was obvious to anyone paying attention. The mini-LED are horrible, and doesn't come close. Fed up of seeing these 'glowing' black areas because of the low resolution zoning. Sooner they ditch mini-LED the better - won't touch another iPad or MacBook Pro that has mini-LED.

 

[sunny5]

They’d likely use two-stack tandem OLED displays which double brightness. They could easily get to 1000 nits and maybe even more.

And consume more power which is a huge problem for OLED.

 

[Radon87000]

Compare this HDR photo on your different panels to appreciate the brightness of Mini LED.

Oh, don't just look at it in Safari or any other browser on Mini LED iPad Pro or iPad Pro 14.
Download it and open it in iOS native Photos app; no other apps can show you true brightness of the bulb.

That's not an HDR photo. HDR photos have a jxr file format. The scenario you have shown is not typically common in content as a movie or game scene will have a mix of dark and bright object which is where MiniLED struggles.

 

[Radon87000]

I hate watching display in dark room, I hate dark mode, and I hate my iPhone 13 Pro getting absurdly hot just taking one or two picture under bright sun; the display will then be forced
to dim down and inspecting picture is guessing work.

HDR content needs to be watched in a dark room to achieve true dynamic range.

Your iPhone getting hot has nothing to do with the OLED.

 

[Jorbanead]

And consume more power which is a huge problem for OLED.

OLED generally consumes less power than LCD because it doesn’t require a backlight, though it largely depends on screen brightness.

Of course brightness/energy consumption is a balancing act for any mobile display. I don’t think we need to worry much about this. Apple will never sacrifice hours of battery life at this stage.

 

[sunny5]

OLED generally consumes less power than LCD because it doesn’t require a backlight, though it largely depends on screen brightness.

Of course brightness/energy consumption is a balancing act for any mobile display. I don’t think we need to worry much about this. Apple will never sacrifice hours of battery life at this stage.

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FALSE. OLED TV consumes more power than LCD TV and that's why EU's regulate TV power consumption from 2023, especially OLED TV. When you say generally, you only meant smartphones. Cant really find actual researches that I saw related to OLED TV but they are def consume more than what you think.

Most people still think that OLED is more energy efficient than LCD/LED but not really for larger displays.

 

[_Spinn_]

I’d rather see a transition to micro led screens.

 

[sunny5]

I’d rather see a transition to micro led screens.

Micro-LED is somewhat replacing large OLED TV but still not ready for smaller displays. Samsung is trying to ditch OLED by developing Micro-LED within 10 year so we'll see.

 

[GlenK]

Considering buying another ASD for the future!! If they go all OLED I'll need it!!!

 

[Jorbanead]

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FALSE. OLED TV consumes more power than LCD TV and that's why EU's regulate TV power consumption from 2023, especially OLED TV. When you say generally, you only meant smartphones. Cant really find actual researches that I saw related to OLED TV but they are def consume more than what you think.

Most people still think that OLED is more energy efficient than LCD/LED but not really for larger displays.

You’re wrong. First it depends on the type of OLED display being used, and it really depends on the content being displayed and how bright it is.

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[sunny5]

You’re wrong. First it depends on the type of OLED display being used, and it really depends on the content being displayed and how bright it is.

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Most of them are misleading information which doesn't really talk about actual power consumption from OLED TV. And it is a fact that OLED consumes way more than LCD/LED on bright scene especially white. That's why EU regulated OLED TV's power consumption starting from 2023.

 

[Pmperry]

I like OLED on my TV, while Samsungs QLED is much brighter and would be my favorite choice today. But my TV recalibrates the OLED every now and then and runs some repair programs over night.

On a notebook/computer, the content remains static for hours or even days, weeks or months (at least certain areas). Has Apple/Samsung fixed the problems with OLED display burn-in?

Apple OLED tuning tends to be more conservative to minimize the risk of burnin. This is why you really couldn’t see a huge difference between their IPS color and their OLED color.

With that said, their mini-LED MacBook Pros are light years better than their iPad Pro with the technology in it. I find it hard to believe that an OLED monitor would blow away the M1 Pro MBP 16” Display as that thing is incredible.

 

[Pmperry]

I agree , but what about brightness? Normal consumer level OLED TVs and displays usually only go up to 250 ~ 600 nits.

No the latest generation had some OLED panels hit between 800 and 1000 nits. Still a far cry from the 1500 to 2000 nits of mini LED displaces.

 

[0924487]

No the latest generation had some OLED panels hit between 800 and 1000 nits. Still a far cry from the 1500 to 2000 nits of mini LED displaces.

For the same part cost and production yield?

 

[duck apple]

That's not an HDR photo. HDR photos have a jxr file format. The scenario you have shown is not typically common in content as a movie or game scene will have a mix of dark and bright object which is where MiniLED struggles.

First, thanks for your enlightment about 'jxr' file format.

Now, iPhone's HDR photo, thought obviously not following to that standard, contains a few private EXIF tags (for gamma curve tone mapping, brightness boost factors) that currently only native 'Photos' app and maybe a few specially tweaked 3rd party apps are able to decode and present.

Lastly, the 'bulb' photo is for demonstrating how an extreme bright HDR photo look like on a capable display. I had seen bunch of real scene (the sun shines through cloud or on reflective glass/metal) photo pair, one with iPhone HDR and the other from other flagship smartphone; the HDR effect made iPhone' photo so much better and true to the scene.

 

[duck apple]

HDR content needs to be watched in a dark room to achieve true dynamic range.

Your iPhone getting hot has nothing to do with the OLED.

1. I said I hate watching content in the darks. My iPad Pro M1 displays the bright bulb and shadowed frame and background in my bright lit room.
2. My iPhone 13 Pro could take bunch of ProRow photos getting only a little warmer when indoor. It got annoyingly hot just viewing mail or static web page outdoor in a sunshine day.