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Apple Modifies Boot ROM on Revised iPhone 3GS Models to Hinder Jailbreaking

G4R2 said:
The irony is that Apple is in the unique position of getting grief for making their platform MORE secure.

Given the diversity of apps it's hard to make a credible argument that Apple or its users are somehow suffering from the decision of keeping the platform closed. Certainly there have been trade offs, but as a former Palm and Windows Mobile user I prefer having a stable, secure, and user friendly experience. I definitely would not want to see Apple adopting the so-called open, crash prone, insecure experience of Windows Mobile, an experience that is still available to those who are considering jailbreaking their phones.
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What security are you losing? You jailbreak yourself, you make the active choice of opening your device. No one else makes it for you. You have the choice of living in Apple's little sandbox and being able to play without any worry.

I on the other hand, like having a little bit of openness and I accept the consequences.

Jailbreaking doesn't affect you if you don't do it. So why worry about it? Or why advocate the removal of this option?
 
jailbreak not worth it

some friends of mine, a few has jailbreak the iphone , theres no single day without problems.
-is the battery
-is the restore
-crash,
-connect to mac/pc
-no signal network
- insert the sim card please
- is not charging
-problems to acess to files
-a app crach the iphone!! again??
-to many apps consuming battery

and the list continues......

what people need more with the original iphone , theres thetering , and skype in the backgorund (at least in europe)

next device i will going to buy is a 3g to wireless portable router, from sweeden.

http://www.infoferenda.eu/index.php...ion=com_virtuemart&Itemid=2&vmcchk=1&Itemid=2

and i can use a ipod touch and the skype voip:D
 
G4R2 said:
The irony is that Apple is in the unique position of getting grief for making their platform MORE secure.

Given the diversity of apps it's hard to make a credible argument that Apple or its users are somehow suffering from the decision of keeping the platform closed. Certainly there have been trade offs, but as a former Palm and Windows Mobile user I prefer having a stable, secure, and user friendly experience. I definitely would not want to see Apple adopting the so-called open, crash prone, insecure experience of Windows Mobile, an experience that is still available to those who are considering jailbreaking their phones.
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While I can agree with the second part of your post, in that the closed environment of the iPhone enhances stability, I cannot agree that Apple is actually making the platform secure. If an ad company can see into your phone and figure out all the apps you have installed and which ones are properly licensed and which are pirated, I would say the security game has already been lost big time. All it takes is for someone with less than good intent to exploit the same "feature" (also known as gaping security hole) to dig into your phone and possibly exploit other, lesser known holes to grab your personal information.

See my previous post. And we should all be asking Apple "Why is it possible for Pinch Media to see that deeply into our phones? And when are you going to fix this obvious security hole?"
 
I'm surprised to see that high a percentage of jailbreakers using pirated apps. There's absolutely no validation done on these numbers. They could be wildly innaccurate. They could be ass numbers, as in pulled out of. That's what it sounds like. In my circle of friends who jailbreak, no one uses pirated apps. The paid apps are just too cheap to bother. It's about accessing features you can't get otherwise.
 
Opening up a can of worms

I don't see violating licensing (whether EULA or others) by jailbraking a phone as any different than what Psystar or Palm is doing.

At the end of the day the company or individual is breaking an agreement and/or voiding a warranty whether express or implied. While it's a backhanded compliment in a way that these people want an iPhone or want OS X to run on non-apple designed hardware or want a Palm Pre to sync with iTunes it does not diminish the fact that their actions are certainly not above board and in some cases illegal.

Don't get me wrong, I want apps to run in the background, tethering and tons of other features but I knew when I bought the device / OS of it's features and it's limitations. Because I play by the rules, I'm willing to wait for Apple or AT&T to enable the features I want or buy the next generation of hardware. I just wish everyone else was as above board. In other words, if you don't like what Apple is selling go buy something else or design your own. Don't steal. Don't Pirate. Don't Jailbrake.

Peace out.
 
I just want to be able to customize my email tones, and for my kids' iPhones, I disable data and hacktivate.

I personally really can't think of any other reasons to jailbreak. And, pirating is too easy and tempting for most, so I don't care if these new ones are resistant.

Of course, Apple hasn't given the option to customize the email tone natively yet, something so simple and capable on every other phone, and it's been, what, two-and-a-half years already? Grr...
 
For those that are using the argument that people who download and install a pirated app aren't really affecting the bottom line because it's an app they wouldn't have bought anyway have epic fail.

1. You can't prove this to be true because the option IS available. Remove piracy and a person very well may buy the program if they had no choice and wanted it.

2. Piracy is stealing. It's no different that going into a store and putting something in your pocket and walking out without paying. Could you really say "Well I wouldn't be taking the candy bar if I had to pay for it." That's ridiculous.

Justify it however you want to yourself - but if you can't afford the .99, 1.99 or 2.99 which most apps are -you should perhaps be looking at other phones. Or perhaps learn the difference between WANT and NEED. You might WANT an app - but you don't NEED it. Many users have an awful sense of entitlement.
 
iWizzard said:
PM me your email address so I can send you a trojan so I can monitor everything you do. Just in order to stop you from pirating.
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I'll pass, thanks. But hey, if you come up with a great, useful device you can sell me which has that monitoring built-in, then I might accept that all right..
 
TBi said:
What security are you losing? You jailbreak yourself, you make the active choice of opening your device. No one else makes it for you. You have the choice of living in Apple's little sandbox and being able to play without any worry.

I on the other hand, like having a little bit of openness and I accept the consequences.

Jailbreaking doesn't affect you if you don't do it. So why worry about it? Or why advocate the removal of this option?
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Whatever workaround that is being used to Jailbreak a phone, something some users do by choice, is a security hole. Otherwise it wouldn't work. Jailbreaking an iPhone isn't a feature of the device, it's a security flaw.

And yes, it does affect me if some genius who figured out how to circumvent the security of the iPhones boot ROM also figures out a way to use that exploit to bug my phone.

This is like saying that Apple shouldn't plug any security holes in any of its products and allow people to choose what virus, spyware, or trojans to contaminate their computers with.

By the very same notion that users are "choosing" to jailbreak their phones, the very same users also "choosing" to buy a closed OS where jailbreaking isn't supported and may or may not work with future updates.

One of the consequences of jailbreaking that jailbreakers should accept is that Apple, to preserve the marketplace and the value of the experience it has created, will probably try to thwart the practice.
 
when apple adds quick replying for text messages (so I don't have to go into the damn texting app if I'm doing something), a 5 icon dock, pictures for my contact list and allows me to change my alert tones to whatever I want (something phones have been doing for years) then I will stop jailbreaking...until then where's my pwnage tool haha.

As for the pirating of apps? well I'm all for that being squashed...I own every app that required purchase...I jailbreak for features that the phone should have, I don't steal other peoples hard work.
 
Michael73 said:
I don't see violating licensing (whether EULA or others) by jailbraking a phone as any different than what Psystar or Palm is doing.

At the end of the day the company or individual is breaking an agreement and/or voiding a warranty whether express or implied. While it's a backhanded compliment in a way that these people want an iPhone or want OS X to run on non-apple designed hardware or want a Palm Pre to sync with iTunes it does not diminish the fact that their actions are certainly not above board and in some cases illegal.

Don't get me wrong, I want apps to run in the background, tethering and tons of other features but I knew when I bought the device / OS of it's features and it's limitations. Because I play by the rules, I'm willing to wait for Apple or AT&T to enable the features I want or buy the next generation of hardware. I just wish everyone else was as above board. In other words, if you don't like what Apple is selling go buy something else or design your own. Don't steal. Don't Pirate. Don't Jailbrake.

Peace out.
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But why do you care if others have the option of jailbreaking? Are they affecting the features on your phone that you're happy with? Why do you wish everyone else felt the way you do?

I don't think Apple owes it to anyone for them to be able to modifty the iPhone any more than they owe it to you to be able to modify the Mac OS X Finder... But someone else wanting to improve the device (in their minds) by a conscious choice, accepting any drawbacks as not supported by Apple, is so wrong?

And lumping jailbreaking in with stealing and pirating is a biiiiiig stretch.
 
Hunts121 said:
when apple adds quick replying for text messages (so I don't have to go into the damn texting app if I'm doing something), a 5 icon dock, pictures for my contact list and allows me to change my alert tones to whatever I want (something phones have been doing for years) then I will stop jailbreaking...
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how much time you loose for go to the damn app and text back???
a) 30 seconds
b) 10 seconds
c)5 seconds
d)2 seconds
e) 1 seconds
 
Wen will apple understand jailbreaking helps them to sell iPhones. If there's No jailbreak I'm personally not buying another iPhone.
 
blackcrayon said:
Which is why we should all petition Apple to please reimpose DRM on all of the iTunes music downloads. Or implement features in the iPhone, since it has a persistent network connection, to contact the RIAA every time a song is played... Maybe put a challenge/response code you have to type in before each song... Because if one person is a pirate, we're all pirates! And anything done to stop piracy is a good thing!
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DRM failed, miserably with music. But it could work for games.

My guess is that it's due to different usage patterns & expectations.

- People expect to be able to listen to their music anywhere on any music player. Home music system, personal music player, car stereo. People have no expectation that their iPhone games will play on their PS3, or their Xbox games will play on their AppleTV.

- People expect to be able to listen to their music "forever"; and they will still listen to albums they bought decades ago. People play games for a few days/weeks (in exceptional cases such as WoW, several months), and rarely if ever return to them.

So it's much easier to implement a DRM system for games since it only has to work for one platform, and matters less if that game can't be played after that platform is discontinued and your console dies.
 
couto27 said:
how much time you loose for go to the damn app and text back???
a) 30 seconds
b) 10 seconds
c)5 seconds
d)2 seconds
e) 1 seconds
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Ooh, I guess d. Seriously, some people will complain about the most inane things. Are the text message alert noises really my favorite? No. Does this affect my life? No. It's just a phone . . .
 
couto27 said:
how much time you loose for go to the damn app and text back???
a) 30 seconds
b) 10 seconds
c)5 seconds
d)2 seconds
e) 1 seconds
f) the time it takes to get up from the couch to change with the buttons on the tv
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It's handy, convenient, means you don't lose focus from what you were doing, and not all apps play nicely when you get back in.

Sure, you might save ONE second each time. But 1000 times might get you to see the light.
 
sonicwind said:
In my circle of friends who jailbreak, no one uses pirated apps. The paid apps are just too cheap to bother. It's about accessing features you can't get otherwise.
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Of course that is completely anecdotal and not necessarily true of the general universe of jailbroken phone users. And, in fact, if you look at where the bulk of piracy is originating, according to the pinchmedia post, it's China and Russia, which are also the capitals for pirated everything else. The U.S. is 2nd to last. So I don't really see any reason not to believe the report.

Personally I don't have a problem with Apple doing what it takes to prevent jailbreaking. Just the same if they allowed the phones to be unlocked after x months into a contract, just like GSM CellCos do with every other phone, the desire to jailbreak a phone would be much reduced. I jail broke my original iPhone out of need, not desire. It was a time consuming process. My friend wanted to unlock his Nokia, he called up T-Mob, said he was going to Europe, and boom, he got the code w/i 24 hours.
 
Xenious said:
I've not done a jb because i depend on mine for work, but it would be cool to use some of the homescreen type apps to have more information on a single summary screen (one thing that was really the win of windows mobile).
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Its called intelliscreen but again due to apples choking control you have to be jailbroken to enjoy the useful feature.
 
I dont know anyone with an iphone who ISNT jailbroken. apple wont be selling nearly as many iphones, so they better hope the dev team hurries up and releases the new jailbreak. also, so many people here are advocating apple, and i really wish apple would lock down their OS X and only let them use apple approved apps just to make sure they dont "pirate".....douches
 
Hmm ok, well while i don't mind jail-braking for people who want to customise their phones and everyone i know who has an iPhone has JB it. I haven't ever felt the need to JB my phone but some of the new themes and so on look cool. Id certainly like more options for the text message noise which i know that it can bring but the 6 people with iPhones only did it for the free apps.
 
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