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So frustrating. Apple's camera software stack is fantastic. But the hardware is years behind competitors and really holds them back. Larger sensors? Done years ago. Higher res sensors? Done years ago. Apple stuck at 12MP for eternity. The competition has Quad-Bayer 108MP->27MP sensors. Periscope lenses? Done years ago.

If there was a way to combine Samsung/Huawei/Xiaomi hardware with Apple software the camera industry would be dead.
 
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Lol, this article's picture! It's so meme ready 😂😂😂.
 
At what point should Apple just make a camera?

I mean the average iPhone owner is happy with the camera. Professionals may feel differently.

Then again it’s just one of the features Apple can improve incrementally to milk it’s customer base.
 
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You realize that a periscope lens doesn't mean a lens that pops out like a periscope, right?

It's just a lens where the path the light takes from the outside of the phone to the sensor involves bending around corners (e.g. using a light guide or mirrors).

That way you can get more distance from the outer surface of the lens to the sensor.

Oh I'm sure you're right. But the image on this article is just hilarious. It's MacRumors gold.
 
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Better (Tele) Zoom, optical, will be much appreciated, but that illustration? Indeed hilarious...
 
If it’s going to make the iPhone heavier and clunkier many people won’t go for it
Let’s clean up this years issues like a yellow screen flickering etc
Keep in mind that not everybody is an avid photographer and needs this
An underscreen Touch ID would serve the masses better
 
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Which kindergarten painted the Macrumors Periscope? Actually it looks more like this:

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I hope that Apple will participate the patent war behind the scene. Because the idea is really absolutely simple.

I'm getting fed up with the fact that Apples 52 mm standard lens is called 'Telephoto'. This is ridiculous marketing and horrifies every photographer. And as we see here: There are solutions. This one from Leica is already cool.

Even though you know that everything is a cruel compromise between size, light sensitivity and focal length, I think Huawei has integrated something very interesting here.
In combination with Apple's super processors, this opens up fantastic possibilities for Apple.
Apple won't put Leica lenses into their iPhones. For Your info, they just ditched the best processors on the market for their own cheap product. Just put an Apple logo on it, people will buy it. A bean counter CEO knows how to turn that into money. Why give some of it to Leica, or Zeiss or whoever...
 
The problem with zoom lenses is always image quality and ability to gather light. Prime lenses always have the best image quality, and larger lenses can gather more light. I'm hoping this is something they add in addition to the other lenses, or at least replacing the current telephoto. Replacing all of the cameras with one sounds good on the surface, but image quality and low light performance will suffer. Maybe it will be possible someday with advances in technology. For now this would probably only be for good light during the day outdoors, and it would also take up a lot of room inside meaning that probably only the Max would get it.
 
No, they’re not doing anything wrong “technically” speaking. But the fact that they’ve *never* advertised “zoom range” before this year is what makes it seem misleading.

For example, previously Apple labeled the iPhone 11 Pro Max as having 2x optical zoom. The iPhone 12 Pro Max comes along and it’s advertised as 5x optical zoom range.

Technically correct, but clearly they switched verbiage for the “zoom specs” because 5x zoom range sounds more appealing than simply stating 2.5x zoom.
"Zoom" is the wrong term to begin with. Before smartphones came along, the understood definition of a zoom was a single lens that could be adjusted to a variety of focal lengths.

I don't see where adding "zoom range" is any more misleading than referring to "2x zoom." I think it captures the overall effect - the range from ultra wide angle to "telephoto." If switching between the wide angle and "telephoto" is a 2x or 2.5x zoom then switching between the ultra wide and "telephoto" is certainly a 4x or 5x "zoom range."

The real problem is the use of the term "zoom" at all when the photographer is actually switching between multiple cameras, each with a fixed-focal length lens. This is similar to the days when true zoom lenses were either fabulously expensive or of poor quality. In the early/mid-'60s when I first became aware of these things, 8mm and 16mm movie cameras (and even TV cameras) would more commonly have a turret lens arrangement with three fixed-focal length lenses that could be rotated into position.

This comes down to a distinction between photographers who understand the difference between a fix- and variable-focal length lenses and ordinary users to whom "zoom in" or "zoom out" simply means getting closer or farther away from the subject.

One might make the same argument about the difference between "dolly in" where the film/video camera is physically moved closer to the subject, and a dynamic zoom where the lens focal length is continuously adjusted but the camera remains in one place. In either case, a non-filmmaker would likely call both "zooming in," while filmmakers would consider the pros and cons of which technique to use in a scene.
 
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Apple won't put Leica lenses into their iPhones. For Your info, they just ditched the best processors on the market for their own cheap product. Just put an Apple logo on it, people will buy it.

There is some serious cognitive dissonance, right there. Just incredible.
 
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So frustrating. Apple's camera software stack is fantastic. But the hardware is years behind competitors and really holds them back. Larger sensors? Done years ago. Higher res sensors? Done years ago. Apple stuck at 12MP for eternity. The competition has Quad-Bayer 108MP->27MP sensors. Periscope lenses? Done years ago.

If there was a way to combine Samsung/Huawei/Xiaomi hardware with Apple software the camera industry would be dead.
Apple are never first to certain technology no but the fact the cameras are still regarded as the best or one of the best speaks volumes

samsung having the rights to the periscope lens clearly hasn’t helped in the delay in adding it...hopefully by 2022 we will see it
 
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