FierceCorgi
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I guess someone is paying attention to the pre-orders on the app - I did that and today's "New Music Mix" for me is almost completely classical recordings.
Apple Music Classical: 15 Things You Need to Know About the New App
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I don't quite understand the point of this separate music app. What's preventing Apple from simply integrating the features in the existing Music app? I mean classical music library is already accessible on the regular music app. Why not just add on the additional features instead of making another separate music app?
When you buy a used CD, the artist gets zilch. Nada. Butkus. Your “cheaper” is supported by the artists who get nothing from you for their work.
floral
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No iPadOS version? ...Really? I mean, isn't the iPad the best device for this considering the top models have much better speakers?
B/D
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Because the metadata handling (and therefore, searching music too) in classical music is quite different than other genres. I presume they though it would be more clean and tidy to keep it separate.
Vlad Soare
macrumors 6502a
Give it time. I'm sure it will come. As will, most likely, a macOS one.
B/D
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I have to believe that an Ipad OS version will come with 16.4. Have too. And a Mac OS app too.
tubular
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It should be possible to support across the board, but it only matters if the actual metadata being indexed is consistent enough to be useful. Apple just bought a big consistent chunk of classical metadata. Everything else on Apple Music? Metadata hit or miss, which means search is hit or miss.
So what I'd *hope* is that Apple decides to toss a big chunk of change to getting *all* its metadata up to the Primephonic standard.
B/D
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Completely agree with your post, word for word. In fact, the whole music app needs a lot of work, both on IOS and Mac OS.
Let´s hope for improvements on 16.4 and Ventura 13.3
AgeOfSpiracles
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It feels shallow, but I'm someone who is pretty lukewarm on classical music (don't dislike, but never seek out) and I'm looking forward to this. Classical music is intimidating to try get into for a layman, and if the app is done right, having a novel way to interact with the genre could make it more approachable.
B/D
macrumors 68000
Never understood this. Plenty of people are into film scores since quite a few decades ago, (hell, a young Steven Spielberg collected vinyls of film scores), and the bridge between that and classical music seems natural and a easy one to me to cross. Orchestral instruments are just another kind of instruments, no need to be afraid of them.
tubular
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You’ve got some great discoveries ahead of you. Sometimes you need a certain amount of background to appreciate a piece, or appreciate it better, but nobody knows everything, so enjoy.
FWIW, what got me into it was Gershwin. We’re about to hit the centenary of the premiere of “Rhapsody in Blue,” the piece that got me going about Gershwin’s concert works, which in turn got me going on orchestral works — and I’m still discovering things forty years later.
AgeOfSpiracles
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I mean, I'm not that into film scores either, lol. I'm not saying I'm "afraid" of it, but in general it's not easily digestible like a lot of popular genres, and it's a pretty deep rabbit hole to dive into in order to really appreciate it; things like comparing different arrangements or performers of the same piece can give you insight into what makes a passage interesting or impactful.
Or maybe not, what do I know about it?
B/D
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Musorgski was what got me in , many, many, many, many years ago, particularly Boris Godunov. Absolutely mind blowing opera.
From there, after quite a few years inmmersed almost exclusively in the classical music realm, and exploring different periods, composers, and styles within it, I jumped to film scores, to ballet, to musicals, to, lately, video games scores.
Wonderful journey across my entire life.
From there, after quite a few years inmmersed almost exclusively in the classical music realm, and exploring different periods, composers, and styles within it, I jumped to film scores, to ballet, to musicals, to, lately, video games scores.
Wonderful journey across my entire life.
B/D
macrumors 68000
Great example, thank you very much.
Edit: my favorite bit on the “Jaws” soundtrack is “Promenade: Tourists on the Menu” which is part Haydn and part shark.
Yeah, but with an ironic/mocking tone to it. That montage is a perfect example of why Williams is so good.
tubular
macrumors 65816
Nobody knows everything.
Bernstein was the guy who basically put Mahler’s music on the front row, orchestras around the world played a Mahler work in mourning when Bernstein died, and … I don’t know a thing about Mahler. Somehow never got there.
B/D
macrumors 68000
I guess it´s all comes down to what one consider popular mainstream music. For example, I love D´angelo work, but I was recently informed that he is not exactly accesible to the common fellow.
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B/D
macrumors 68000
As for me, orchestral, electronic, accoustic, "organic", I dont care. If its good music to me, Im in. Do be afraid of exploring classical music.
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B/D
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Yeah he absolutely loved Mahler. Like passionately.
Thank you, and yes I was aware of this, however I am not sure which Apple devices support lossless playback. I believe that none of AirPod series support lossless since they use the BT AAC lossy codec, but there seems some difficulty in finding out what the current Homepods (Jan 2023), original HomePods and HomePod mini support. They may support the 16 bit/44.1kHz (CD quality playback) via a software upgrade but not the higher resolution formats. Since this capability was apparently added with software (the original lossless Apple Music specifically excluded Homepods) it is less than clear which version added it and, hence when. Very confusing and seems quite counter productive. I know I can use my Mac and an external D - A to get high res audio playback (> CD quality, 24 bit/192 kHz) with Apple Lossless. I do not think Airplay supports anything greater than 16 bit/44.1 kHz.You probably already know this, but AirPlay does support lossless at CD quality 16bit/44.1kHz.
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tubular
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I got kinda lucky in that my favorite movie when I was young (and still today) had a big pile of Ligeti in the soundtrack, so atonality isn’t a totally hostile environment for me. But the whole point is, don’t be afraid to listen and like what you like, because the ghost of Beethoven WILL NOT stretch an arm out of your headphones and slap you, saying “You’re listening wrong.”
B/D
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Completely agree. I had people telling me at one point, something along the lines of: "dont listen to bartok, that is orchestral noise!, and he became one of my favorite composers over time.
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Cyloncat
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I once read that musicians listen to music differently than non-musicians, and it's true. At a rock concert, non-musicians are dancing in the aisles, while musicians sit perfectly still and observe everything the band does. So it is with classical. As a musician and occasional composer, I don't need lossless, and I don't need great speakers. I'm fine listening in the car (even on shuffle), and I'm fine listening with AirPods (not Max). These are the things I listen for: What did the composer do? What did the performer do with that? Why? What would I do differently? How does the harmony work? Can I follow the polyphony? Does the build and release of tension work?
A classical music app could make classical music online accessible, for me, through understanding classical structure, history, and all its diversity of ideas. Or it still might not be enough. But it's a start.
A classical music app could make classical music online accessible, for me, through understanding classical structure, history, and all its diversity of ideas. Or it still might not be enough. But it's a start.
tubular
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Another guy landing in a Kubrick movie, thereby causing the celeste to show up in every horror movie score of the past forty years.
It was only about half a year ago that I first listened to Mikrokosmos beginning to end. Great example of how you can be almost half a century into your exploration and *still* find things that knock your socks off.