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If a highly-requested feature isn't on iOS yet, it usually means that Apple haven't found a right approach, something that would fit in with iOS properly. Remember iOS copynpaste?
You mean the copy&paste that still acts like it's in beta testing stage? The one that makes it so unbelievably difficult to select exactly the part that you want to copy? I want to select a word, the whole line gets selected. I want to select a line, it selects the paragraph. I want to select a paragraph, the whole fricking website gets selected. Completely broken. I would claim that Apple hasn't found the right approach for that yet. So no, that is not a real argument here.
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The trouble with the Control Centre widget is it quickly forgets what you were last listening to (presumably memory restrictions) and if you've just watched a YouTube video all it will offer is the ability to play that again.
That is so unbelievably annoying, especially as it seems to be the control center that "feeds" into external devices. I recently had a rental car for a month where I could attach the iPhone via USB to the car radio. Whenever I did that, the radio immediately auto-played the alphabetically first song in my collection, because the iPhone had managed to forget the last played song over the course of two hours.

Memory restrictions? No, this must be a bug or something stupid in the OS design. Storing the last played song plus playhead position can't take more than a few bytes.

I wonder why people like Tim Cook or Eddy Cue aren't driven crazy by stuff like that. They use Apple devices don't they? I am not one to have Steve Jobs nostalgia (I remember his mess-ups all too well), but with him I'd know at least that he'd call the responsible engineer personally in the middle of the night, going "Why the f@&# is my car radio playing 'A Beautiful Morning" from my iPhone again?" Doesn't mean it would get fixed, but at least I'd have the satisfaction of knowing that someone would get a kick in the nuts for it. ;)
 
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That is by far the dumbest point I have ever seen. I am not saying I want or don't want widgets, but if I was going to argue against them, this is not the point I would base my argument on.

Widgets would be something available for any app to implement, whereas control center is locked to what Apple decides should be there.
His point was universal audio playback controls. In android you need separate widgets for each application just to pause and skip tracks. Where as Apples control center can interact with any player. As a result music players on android really need a widget for basic functionality, while on iOS they don't.
There are apps like MU on android that add universal controls. These apps are forced to use hacks like internally spoofing BT controls to pass data back to the players.
 
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I loved when they added widgets, and I added a bunch to my Today view, but I sadly can't say they work great for me. Every single time I slide down the NC, the widgets are all blank and take a few seconds to load the data. And they don't do it all at the same time either, which causes them to all expand/contract out of order and is impossible for me to select anything for about 6 seconds.

Do you experience this? I'd love for my widgets to be a lot smoother... Maybe it's just the ones I'm currently using?

This happens to me for Weather Underground constantly
 
AM for Android is so much better - it has a widget, you can store your music on an SD card (meaning you can still have your music and not pay for Apple's overprice storage upgrades.
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All of this is so true!!!


I have a widget and local storage (128). I don't have to deal with sd cards and issues that plague android in that respect. The reason people love add on storage is they can be cheap. Get the cheapest storage option and add on later. Is it the best experience? No. I'm happy apple doesn't do that. It's unnecessary.
 
I have a widget and local storage (128). I don't have to deal with sd cards and issues that plague android in that respect. The reason people love add on storage is they can be cheap. Get the cheapest storage option and add on later. Is it the best experience? No. I'm happy apple doesn't do that. It's unnecessary.
I do agree that internal storage is better, but Apple's pricing is to high. $200 extra for 128GB is ridiculous in 2016. And that premium may be trending higher. Look at the iPad Pro. That is $150 extra per increment.
 
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Things must be going badly for AM if it's available on android . No other Apple made apps come to mind that also run on android.

Be interesting to see how many people actually run AM on android.
 
I have a widget and local storage (128). I don't have to deal with sd cards and issues that plague android in that respect. The reason people love add on storage is they can be cheap. Get the cheapest storage option and add on later. Is it the best experience? No. I'm happy apple doesn't do that. It's unnecessary.

There is no home screen widget for iOS. I have 16GB of space as thats all I could afford, and adding more storage would be absolutely great. It may not be the best experience, but neither is having to buy the most expensive iPhone.
 
AM for Android is so much better - it has a widget, you can store your music on an SD card (meaning you can still have your music and not pay for Apple's overprice storage upgrades.
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Now that is a good addition to AM. The more I think about it , AM on android does sound like a better offering. AM coupled with iTunes is not a good expletive on iPhone . I wish they would seperate the apps.
 
Ha Ha good ole fashioned widget argument. It's fine having widgets in the today view and will admit there are a lot of annoying on screen widgets on Android but hey you can remove them if you don't like them. There are a few that I really like to have and that's a nice big clock, weather and a calendar widget. My biggest pet peeve on the large iphones is all icons auto arranging top left and this could fix it a bit. Plus it just looks cleaner.

Would also like to be able to, change notification sounds for third party apps, set third party apps as default apps, install icon themes and while they are at it Get rid of the pull down tabs for today and notifications and put all that into the pull up from the bottom tab again nice for using a large phone with one hand.

These mostly seem simple (except the icons) yet it's more important to have live photos? :confused:

Maybe I'm crazy which would you rather look at?

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All this arguing about iOS needing widgets and here I am wondering what everyone is talking about? I've got a ton of widgets available from either my lock screen or anywhere I am: the Today view! Works great and keeps everything nice and tidy. I've got widgets for all sorts of things: weather and radar, sports scores, stocks, calendar, data plan usage, thermostat controls, to-do lists, pedometer, system monitoring, breaking news and package deliveries. What is everyone complaining about? I've even got widgets on my Watch! Widgets for days. WIDGETS FOR WEEKS! A man could go mad with this kind of power.

"No one man should have all that power." - Kanye West
 
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I loved when they added widgets, and I added a bunch to my Today view, but I sadly can't say they work great for me. Every single time I slide down the NC, the widgets are all blank and take a few seconds to load the data. And they don't do it all at the same time either, which causes them to all expand/contract out of order and is impossible for me to select anything for about 6 seconds.

Do you experience this? I'd love for my widgets to be a lot smoother... Maybe it's just the ones I'm currently using?

Not really? I think they might have did that on my old iPhone 6 Plus if I had too many widgets installed. Sometimes weather or sports might take a moment to load. I usually have the latest iPhone though, and the 2GB of RAM on the 6s means I installed a few more and don't really have issues. My core widgets are:
  • BeWeather
  • Fantastical
  • Thessa (controls Nest thermostat)
  • ESPN
  • Deliveries
  • Breaking News
  • Stocks
  • Stepz
  • WaterMinder
  • My Verizon Data
  • Weather Underground Radar
I don't always have all of them running though. I'm more of a football fan and mostly watch baseball the last few months of the season so I'll have ESPN off for part of the year. I don't really need the radar app going when it's not severe storm season (live in the midwest). I don't use Stepz very often anymore since getting an Apple Watch so that is off, along with WaterMinder which has an Apple Watch version. I don't usually have Deliveries turned on unless I'm expecting some fancy new Apple gear or camera equipment as most of my Amazon orders arrive really quickly and I don't need to track them all. I also don't use system monitoring anymore—I mainly used that on my 6 Plus which had crashing issues with the limited RAM. Only reason I turn things off is because it reduces the clutter and scrolling I need to do to look through all my widgets.

However, since getting an Apple Watch I don't look at my widgets as often. My watch just alerts me when there's a storm within 10 miles and I can check the radar on my wrist. But some widgets are better on the phone, like Fantastical, or less buggy than on the Watch, like Thessa.
 
Not really? I think they might have did that on my old iPhone 6 Plus if I had too many widgets installed. Sometimes weather or sports might take a moment to load. I usually have the latest iPhone though, and the 2GB of RAM on the 6s means I installed a few more and don't really have issues. My core widgets are:
  • BeWeather
  • Fantastical
  • Thessa (controls Nest thermostat)
  • ESPN
  • Deliveries
  • Breaking News
  • Stocks
  • Stepz
  • WaterMinder
  • My Verizon Data
  • Weather Underground Radar
I don't always have all of them running though. I'm more of a football fan and mostly watch baseball the last few months of the season so I'll have ESPN off for part of the year. I don't really need the radar app going when it's not severe storm season (live in the midwest). I don't use Stepz very often anymore since getting an Apple Watch so that is off, along with WaterMinder which has an Apple Watch version. I don't usually have Deliveries turned on unless I'm expecting some fancy new Apple gear or camera equipment as most of my Amazon orders arrive really quickly and I don't need to track them all. I also don't use system monitoring anymore—I mainly used that on my 6 Plus which had crashing issues with the limited RAM. Only reason I turn things off is because it reduces the clutter and scrolling I need to do to look through all my widgets.

However, since getting an Apple Watch I don't look at my widgets as often. My watch just alerts me when there's a storm within 10 miles and I can check the radar on my wrist. But some widgets are better on the phone, like Fantastical, or less buggy than on the Watch, like Thessa.

Hmm. I'm on a 6, so maybe 1GB really is the culprit? I currently only use three 3rd party widgets and three stock widgets:

  • Batteries
  • Calendar
  • Find My Friends
  • Wink Lights
  • Discover
  • WeatherBug
I recently removed Kayak price alerts, because it was the most annoying when it came to loading data and expanding and cluttering up my NC. If I view my Today section, close the NC, do something simple like read an email, and slide down NC again, usually everything is still working fine. But if I do any more than that, like browse a page in Safari or watch a video, everything has to be loaded again. This might support the theory that 1GB causes a less-than-smooth widget experience.
 
Widgets for Android music apps are required since the OS doesn't have universal playback controls. On iOS a widget would be mostly redundant due to the built in functionality in the OS lock screen and control center. It's really just that simple.
Frankly this an area I feel that iOS implements much better. Dedicated widgets for each app is silly. And yes I am aware of third party apps that add this to android.
(I'm only talking about audio apps. Widgets for other functions are a different topic)
 
Hmm. I'm on a 6, so maybe 1GB really is the culprit? I currently only use three 3rd party widgets and three stock widgets:

  • Batteries
  • Calendar
  • Find My Friends
  • Wink Lights
  • Discover
  • WeatherBug
I recently removed Kayak price alerts, because it was the most annoying when it came to loading data and expanding and cluttering up my NC. If I view my Today section, close the NC, do something simple like read an email, and slide down NC again, usually everything is still working fine. But if I do any more than that, like browse a page in Safari or watch a video, everything has to be loaded again. This might support the theory that 1GB causes a less-than-smooth widget experience.
Oh 1GB causes lots of less than smooth experiences, especially on the Plus size. My 6s is a dream machine in that regard.
 
I have a widget and local storage (128). I don't have to deal with sd cards and issues that plague android in that respect. The reason people love add on storage is they can be cheap. Get the cheapest storage option and add on later. Is it the best experience? No. I'm happy apple doesn't do that. It's unnecessary.

Got the fastest 64GB SD card UHS I Class 10 card capable of 90MB/s read and 45MB/S write. Formated as internal storage with Android 6.0 adoptive storage option. Never had issue. Apps installed and load fast.

While Apple charge you 100 dollar for storage bump... And 200 dollars from 16 to 128GB while I pay 100 dollar for 128GB SD card. Not paying top dollars to Apple while Android offers relative OK and cheap options.
 
Got the fastest 64GB SD card UHS I Class 10 card capable of 90MB/s read and 45MB/S write. Formated as internal storage with Android 6.0 adoptive storage option. Never had issue. Apps installed and load fast.

While Apple charge you 100 dollar for storage bump... And 200 dollars from 16 to 128GB while I pay 100 dollar for 128GB SD card. Not paying top dollars to Apple while Android offers relative OK and cheap options.

While that is a fast card and i have a similar sandisk extreme pro in my Lumia 950 XL the speed is still considerably slower than internal flash storage. Then add the fact that the iphone 6s is the only phone to use the newer NVME memory which is much faster than the standard internal flash memory http://www.thessdreview.com/daily-n...ller-and-speed-dictated-by-device-capacity/2/ . There is no comparison between any sd card and nvme internal flash in speed.
 
While that is a fast card and i have a similar sandisk extreme pro in my Lumia 950 XL the speed is still considerably slower than internal flash storage. Then add the fact that the iphone 6s is the only phone to use the newer NVME memory which is much faster than the standard internal flash memory http://www.thessdreview.com/daily-n...ller-and-speed-dictated-by-device-capacity/2/ . There is no comparison between any sd card and nvme internal flash in speed.


While I do understand thst SD card is slower than internal storage. However, i don't rrallu bothered by that. I do not expereice significant slow down after I formated as internal storage.

I rather have the option using SD card than flat out not support it.
 
While I do understand thst SD card is slower than internal storage. However, i don't rrallu bothered by that. I do not expereice significant slow down after I formated as internal storage.

I rather have the option using SD card than flat out not support it.

I agree there is pro/cons for both just pointing out some information that is not widely known. Its one of the main reasons why the 6s feels so fast opening apps. Believe it or not im actually really liking windows mobile 10 for work the recent updates have it working great just missing out on some key apps but new universal apps are rolling in everyday.
 
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