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All that iCloud match nonsense makes me nervous.
I don’t have a massive library of iCloud Music Library music that’s not available on Apple Music (just a few older albums that have since been pulled from public purchase/streaming, etc.), but for what I do use it for, iCloud Music Library works flawlessly. Way better than Spotify’s Wi-Fi sync solution for similar situations in my experience (unless it’s gotten way better in the past year or so).
 
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“Music is at the heart of Apple’s DNA.”
Wait, what?

How can something be at the HEART of someone's DNA?

DNA don't have a hearts. Hearts have DNA.

I think they meant to say

"Music is at the core of Apple's DNA"
 

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Yes, and what has that to do with my point? If the iPod Touch is an important device for music consumption than updating it regularly could be seen as necessary if Apple wants to say that music is in its DNA. By the same token, updating, or more correctly resurrecting other iPod models could also be seen as necessary if we apply the same premise that the other iPod models are important devices for music consumption.

Most will argue that the other iPod models are not important devices for music consumption anymore. My point is that the same could also be said about the iPod Touch. Just because the iPod category was probably one of the most important components in Apple's success in music does not mean that not updating the last device with the iPod name in Apple's lineup (the iPod Touch) is undermining in any really relevant way Apple's standing in regard to music.
You can only update products that are currently shipping, not products that no longer supported nor sold. Even if you are correct, Apple would never resurrect a dead product.
 
I tried Apple Music on a free trial when it launched and again last month. It hasn’t improved and it’s still terrible.
 
Wife and I moved from Google Music to Apple Music. Hasn't been a seamless transition since we've used Google Music for years now. But we're getting used to it. We didn't cancel Google Music either as I have Google Music Family Plan - so we're kind of using a mix of both at the moment (thanks to family members helping pay Google Music).

Our first reactions to Apple Music - music sounded better, clearer. Yes, Google Music defaults to medium quality so that may be why. But a month later we're still trying to get used to the way Apple Music does things. Could really be a lot more user friendly I think.

Can't drop Google subscription cuz... Youtube Red. :)
 
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and I still won't join until they offer lossless

Probably will be waiting a while for that. I used to evangelize all the lossless audio as well, and it seems that for the vast majority of people, 'good enough' is... well... good enough. I think they *might* do lossless someday when bandwidth requirements for streaming and whatnot becomes a complete non-issue by way of price, and hardware capability, but they won't do it because of demand. I doubt there's even enough market to offer it as a higher tier option.
 
I don’t have a massive library of iCloud Music Library music that’s not available on Apple Music (just a few older albums that have since been pulled from public purchase/streaming, etc.), but for what I do use it for, iCloud Music Library works flawlessly. Way better than Spotify’s Wi-Fi sync solution for similar situations in my experience (unless it’s gotten way better in the past year or so).

I have an iTunes library stretching back to 2002 that's been migrated across four computers at this point and the thought of anything going in there any replacing tracks makes me feel like it'll be way too easy to have 16 years of music be mucked up real quick-like.
 
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I was a bit skeptical of AM but having been on the trial for the last month or so I have to say I’m favorably impressed. Seems to have whatever I’m wanting to listen to without any trouble. Sounds fine. I’ll probably stick around. It’s not as if I won’t have stuff to listen to if I ever cancel.
 
Pretty impressive. I prefer Pandora for curation but this is good on Apple
 
its so weird I don’t know a single person using it nor have I ever heard anyone even mention the term Apple Music. Regional thing?

Germany: I'm a subscriber, and I happened to notice 2 of my coworkers who also seem to use Apple Music.

I'm sure Spotify is more popular, though. I think people here are more averse to getting everything from one company, and for some of them they like supporting a European tech startup.
 
Spotify, when it filed for IPO in late February, said that it has 71 million paying subscribers in total along with 159 million monthly active users.

71 million subscribers is a lie. The number is only true if you count every single member of family plans:

(5) We define Premium Subscribers as Users that have completed registration with Spotify and have activated a payment method for Premium Service. Our Premium Subscribers include all registered accounts in our Family Plan. Our Family Plan consists of one primary subscriber and up to five additional sub-accounts, allowing up to six Premium Subscribers per Family Plan subscription. Premium Subscribers includes subscribers who are within a grace period of up to 30 days after failing to pay their subscription fee.

That comes from the fine print of Spotify's SEC Filing.
 
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Now if they would redesign Apple Music apps to be just like RDIO was a few years ago... I'd be in heaven. :)

https://medium.com/@bryanjclark/rdio-you-ll-be-missed-4322d2e7fbc4#.b9x59p86z

I can't stand Spotify's design. It's way too hard to browse, and the queue system they have drives me nuts.

Apple Music is much better in those areas, but could still use improvement. The RDIO queue looks pretty good, and I LOVE that it syncs between devices. I would often find music at work that I wanted to queue up for later that evening, but not really add it to my library just yet. Spotify couldn't handle it.

Search is Apple's weak area - it sucks in Music, and it sucks in Maps.
 
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I can't unsubscribe from either.

Spotify for music discovery is unmatched.
Apple Music for library management is unmatched.

Gotta have both.
So do you pay for both? What's wrong with Spotify's library management? And what's wrong with Apple's music discovery?
 
I'm an Apple music subscriber (family subscription) but that's mostly out convenience (i.e. its native to the iPhone). Spotify playlists are hands down better than Apple music so I use "Houdini" to transfer my playlists from Spotify to Apple Music.
 
The 3 month trial is a good move by Apple. Plenty of time to add 87 new albums and countless new songs to your library. The thought of losing all that is too much. It was for me anyway, even though I was planning to keep the service. The long trial would have hooked me for sure.
 
Non paid subscribers means nothing, but more advertisement towards them. There is no benefit to adding non paid subscribers unless there is a hook for additional services. Nothing is for free...
 
So do you pay for both? What's wrong with Spotify's library management? And what's wrong with Apple's music discovery?

Yes I do.

Spotify doesn't really have library management. It's just playlists and a list of tracks you've saved. You can't have your own stuff in there easily. Probably 20% of my music library isn't available on streaming platforms. iTunes lets me add it, organise it, name it perfectly, add the artwork and then have it upload and sync to all my Apple devices.

Apple Music's music discovery is woeful. It's slow to navigate the streaming library, it's weekly play list is usually junk not matter how much stuff you tell it you love or dislike and its playlists are not as good as Spotify, nor are it's radio stations based on a track you play. Spotify on the other hand nails all this and every week finds me a playlist full of tracks that I like from deep cuts on albums by artists i'd never heard of it, it's absolutely amazing.

If you love music it's well worth it for both.
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and I still won't join until they offer lossless

Well you wouldn't be able to hear the difference if they did anyway - and don't try to argue you can because no one in the world has ever done it on any equipment even in a half a million pound studio managed to do it.

You only need lossless for archiving stuff to save disc space over the full uncompressed and if you need to edit it so you're not double encoding something.
 
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