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Apple Music Is the World's Second Most Popular Music Streaming Service Behind Spotify
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They both launched in 2015. On top of that.. Spotify launched first..?
If an well made Native UI is not better than Web UI is an opinion and not an objective truth. Than we have a lot to disagree.
There are a lot of people who cant tell the difference between Pepsi and Coca Cola, so I dont want to argue.
I use Amazon music because I have a Prime subscription and music and video is part of it. It means I don’t have to pay an additional subscription for music and it has all the music and podcasts that I listen to. I used to have Spotify years ago.
Come on how often are Spotify offering free trials. All the time. A month Can’t go by without them spamming me with an offer of a free trial despite the fact that I’ve had several free trials and reduced price offers in the past. I had. 3 month free trial of Apple Music in the past when I first signed up and now I’m not eligible for anymore free trials even when I buy more apple products. Also don’t forget Spotify have their add supported free version. It’s hideous but a lot of people don’t care because it’s free.
The free one that’s part of prime is a bit rubbish though as you only get access to a limited amount of songs. You have to pay £7.99 to get access to the full catalog which I’m not willing to do. The family bundle that comes as part of the Apple one plan is more cost effective for me. If it was only a few pounds extra I could consider it. It’s a shame that YouTube music is absolutely awful as it comes free as part of my YouTube premium subscription but I really can’t stand it. Google play music was so much better.
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Unwanted it the right world. I can’t stand YouTube music. I only pay for the add free YouTube videos. I never use YouTube music but they would class me as a subscriber.
Seriously? THIS is your argument?"Follow The Artist" feature - wasn't that what Ping was supposed to be? And almost literally nobody used it?
iTunes Ping - Wikipedia
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And if you want to follow an artist, isn't that what You Tube / Instagram / Facebook is for? I mean how many times do you want your phone to "ping" you everytime some music goober coughs up a new track?
How about I TELL Apple which artists I really like so they can recommend me better playlists.
When Apple knows which artists I like, they can then easily notify me when a new album/track comes out.
But your suggestion is to... go follow these bands on social media?
I'm just going to assume you were taking the piss, because otherwise this is... something else.
I have read a lot of comments on several sites and reddit on this news and almost 99 percent of the comments are about those 3 points:
- Apple music has a bad/slow UI on most platforms (iTunes, webplayer, app experience)
- Spotify has a better algorithm
- Spotify is easier to play on different devices thanks to Connect
I don't know why Apple doesn't fix the first issue. This is very easy to fix. We have been hearing for app updates and a replacement of iTunes/Music app for years and years now and nothing seems to happen.
Also web views are not the issue here. Spotify is 99 percent web tech and seems to work blazing fast on all platforms.
- Apple music has a bad/slow UI on most platforms (iTunes, webplayer, app experience)
- Spotify has a better algorithm
- Spotify is easier to play on different devices thanks to Connect
I don't know why Apple doesn't fix the first issue. This is very easy to fix. We have been hearing for app updates and a replacement of iTunes/Music app for years and years now and nothing seems to happen.
Also web views are not the issue here. Spotify is 99 percent web tech and seems to work blazing fast on all platforms.
One thing not mentioned here is AM and its fitness+ playlists. I workout 4 times per week and don't use the fitness+ service. BUT all their music is available on AM. When I look at Spotify they have a very limited amount of playlists based on types of workouts. Just an observation
Recently switched back over to Spotify from AM and couldn’t be happier. The cross platform capabilities and Spotify Connect alone made it a worthwhile switch.
I do pay the extra for the Amazon music and it’s excellent I must say. The equivalent on Apple Music for the family is £14.99 which is nearly double, so for that reason it’s not competitive. I’ve tried Apple Music a couple of times on free trials and it loses out ultimately on cost. If it offered anything I thought was better, I’d stick with it but unfortunately it doesn’t. I don’t have a HomePod system like you do and use Echo’s throughout my home. It wasn’t long ago you couldn’t stream Amazon music through a HomePod too which put me off initially.
There are plenty of options to do that with Spotify. There are tons of dynamically created playlists, and you can even create your own "radio stations" based on a song or an artist. If that is still too much effort, you can also use their Spotify Stations app.
I know Spotify has plenty of options.
I prefer a couple of stations that stream and at least one service that is a lot like radio. They let you pick the genre and the service takes it from there. You can’t upgrade to ad free or pick your own songs.
Oddly enough, I am not crazy about Pandora.
It seems to be one of the only music services to charge a $5 fee.
The others seem to all want $10 a month.
Paying for music just doesn’t work for me.
I did have XM before Sirius homogenized it, when it was $10 month.
I prefer a couple of stations that stream and at least one service that is a lot like radio. They let you pick the genre and the service takes it from there. You can’t upgrade to ad free or pick your own songs.
Oddly enough, I am not crazy about Pandora.
It seems to be one of the only music services to charge a $5 fee.
The others seem to all want $10 a month.
Paying for music just doesn’t work for me.
I did have XM before Sirius homogenized it, when it was $10 month.
You can disagree all you want. However the term "objective truth" is very clearly defined.
Objective Truths are not based on feelings or opinions - they are cold hard absolute undeniable facts and nothing more.
It's an objective truth that Apple sells iPhones.
It's a subjective truth (aka claim or opinion) held by many, that native UIs are better than Web UIs. I believe that's what you meant here, correct?
There are many who believe than any UI not based on pure ASCII with no font changes or sizing presents the absolute best UI. That's their subjective opinion.
It's not a cold hard fact, ergo it's not Objective.
I’ve been a longtime user of both, but last year I switched to Apple Music full time since I started using an Apple One family plan. After a year of using AM, I’ve come to prefer it to Spotify. I find AM more artist/albulm centric, yes they push playlist, but I do get a lot more album recommendations compared to Spotify. I’ve also become a fan of their radio shows - just wished they had a better way of getting notified of new episodes. AM music just seems to be for the listeners who are really into music and want the inside baseball.
I find Spotify is kind of losing its mission a bit. I became annoyed with them when they started introducing podcasts. They are constantly shoving podcast in my face and god forbid you listen to one using the app, because the algorithm will flood you with constant new episodes and recommendations - they won’t let you forget that you listened to 5 minutes of that one podcasts. I prefer to have my podcasts siloed in another app. I find the music part of the Spotify app becoming less and less prominent as the years go by. Spotify seems to really concentrate on playlists which gets old after a while and also not a fan of their artrwork/design language.
Only thing I really miss from Spotify is Discover Weekly, but Apple’s version is getting better the more I use the app. Not perfect but still good. Can’t forget about spatial audio and lossless, I find it makes a difference.
I find Spotify is kind of losing its mission a bit. I became annoyed with them when they started introducing podcasts. They are constantly shoving podcast in my face and god forbid you listen to one using the app, because the algorithm will flood you with constant new episodes and recommendations - they won’t let you forget that you listened to 5 minutes of that one podcasts. I prefer to have my podcasts siloed in another app. I find the music part of the Spotify app becoming less and less prominent as the years go by. Spotify seems to really concentrate on playlists which gets old after a while and also not a fan of their artrwork/design language.
Only thing I really miss from Spotify is Discover Weekly, but Apple’s version is getting better the more I use the app. Not perfect but still good. Can’t forget about spatial audio and lossless, I find it makes a difference.
That’s a fair point to bring up, maybe worthy of a look at a developer’s per user app income per platformFunny how apple fans defend apple music because the artists are paid more. Meanwhile when talking about the ios app store fees they defend apple and talk about greedy developers
EDIT: Interesting numbers in my opinion down below (and links), bringing up some data to look at and a message that rang a bell.
Summary: It might hint at this, for each $1 that a developer makes per app install or user on Android it makes $20 (20x more) per install or user on iOS. Things balance out a bit because the number iOS users is tiny by comparison (i.e devs make 4 or 5 times more on iOS and not 20 in absolute numbers).
Fair point too, to take into account when peeking at the following. Link at the end.
App Revenue Key Stats excerpts:
- Apple’s iOS dominates revenue generation, despite having less than 15 percent global market share. It generated $18.6 billion in Q3 2020, to Google Play’s $10.3 billion
- Annual iOS non games 2020 revenue was $24.7 billions vs Android $6.7 billions
That last number there, if iOS is only 15% of the market share means that each install on iOS pays ~20 times more than each install on Android… to check my math if it is right (24.7/15)/(6.87/85) = 20.37?
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"Follow The Artist" feature - wasn't that what Ping was supposed to be? And almost literally nobody used it?
iTunes Ping - Wikipedia
And if you want to follow an artist, isn't that what You Tube / Instagram / Facebook is for? I mean how many times do you want your phone to "ping" you everytime some music goober coughs up a new track?
I dont follow artists just to get pings whenever they release new songs, I follow them because I dont want to forget them. If I dont write these artists down somewhere or follow them, I will forget them. And there are a few of those smaller and not so well known artists who I like listening to, but those artist names are hard to remember. I really dont want to create ig, fb, snapchat, youtube, google or whatever accounts to follow 100+ artists, thats just stupidity.
Recently I discovered this app called Music Harbour, it lets you follow Apple Music artists. You can extract followed artists from Spotify and bring them to Music Harbour.
This is not a perfect solution though, and it will not bring followed artists into Apple Music, but its definitely better than nothing.
Just follow an artist in Music Harbour, click the artist name and it will open it in Apple Music.
apps.apple.com
This is not a perfect solution though, and it will not bring followed artists into Apple Music, but its definitely better than nothing.
Just follow an artist in Music Harbour, click the artist name and it will open it in Apple Music.
MusicHarbor - New Music Daily
An award-winning app for keeping track of new music releases, music videos, news, and concerts from all your favorite artists and record labels. Critically acclaimed by MacStories, 9to5Mac, iOS Today, AppleInsider, The Sweet Setup, and more. MacStories: “If you care about new music releases...
apps.apple.com
Brazil used to be (when we still sell records) the 4th largest music market globally. So there’s no lack of local content to use.
1) AM has 4 main buttons, one of them, the radio, only displays radios with english speaking DJs.
2) there are NO exclusive deals with podcasts here while there are a lot of them that are exclusive to Spotify and I have to use it bc of that even tho I am a AM subscriber.
3) Playlists. If I click in one of the kids one, for instance, it will play only english speaking tunes for my 5 years old. Not sure why they think my son is bilingual.
It’s like they run AM without any local offices and Spotify does.
Now, to feed your hubris, I will show you some numbers:
According to ABMI 2020 survey, the Brazilian market share.
1) 62,50% SPOTIFY
2) 9,90% Deezer
3) 8,40% Amazon
4) 6,60 % APPLE MUSIC
5) 6,10 % YouTube Music
My friends, that are Idependent publishers, told me that the reality is that most of their income, come from YouTube. So theses numbers are irrelevant when one factor YouTube video service.
I wouldn’t be surprised if AM lowered to 6th place in 2021, being passed by YT Music.
Now let me guess where you are from?
Native UI has faster, smoother response time, lower memory consumption and CPU usage, faster rendering of UI element ( which is different to response time ). Every single one of these are an objective truth and not subjective. Which is the context here, although I didn't write that out clearly.
But I agree, there are many who believe slower UI may be "better".
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