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Apple Music has now surpassed Spotify's subscriber count in the United States, according to an industry source who spoke to Digital Music News.

The anonymous source, said to be a major U.S.-based distributor, is said to have shared a report with the website detailing the subscriber tallies of several streaming music services, including Apple Music, Spotify, Tidal, and Sirius XM.

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Among primarily on-demand music streaming services, the report says both Apple Music and Spotify have more than 20 million subscribers in the U.S., with Apple now "a hair ahead" with "20 million plus" members. The exact figure was reportedly withheld on request of the source to protect confidentiality.

In February, The Wall Street Journal reported that Apple was gaining U.S. subscribers at a higher rate than Spotify. Apple's US-based subscriber growth rate was believed to be 5 percent in the U.S., compared to Spotify's 2 percent. Based on those figures, the report predicted Apple Music would surpass its biggest rival in the summer.

Apple's growth was said to be due in part by the increasing numbers of devices in consumers' hands. Since the WSJ report, Apple has also released its HomePod speaker, which includes features specific to Apple Music.

Apple's service recently surpassed its single-day streaming record, with Drake's fifth album, Scorpion, notching up over 170 million streams in its first 24 hours of availability. Spotify was unable to keep up with its rival's streaming figures for the album, despite Apple Music having around 120 million fewer subscribers than Spotify, suggesting Apple won via stronger user engagement.

In May, Apple CEO Tim Cook said Apple Music had over 50 million users worldwide on either paid subscriptions or free trials. However, that figure still put Apple Music some ways off Spotify, which said it had 75 million paying subscribers as of March 31. Spotify has a much larger total of at least 170 million active users due to the free, ad-supported tier that it offers.

Apple Music has been a major contributor to the continued growth of Apple's services category, which brought in $9.1 billion revenue in the second fiscal quarter of 2018, an increase of 31 percent on a year-over-year basis. Other service-related revenue includes App Store and iTunes Store sales, paid iCloud storage, licensing, and more.

Article Link: Apple Music Reportedly Surpasses Spotify Subscriber Count in the U.S.
 

Lesser Evets

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I would perhaps sign up and get on that subscription if iTunes wasn't so annoying.

It is impossible to search through iTunes music without a gigantic hassle. If you aren't buying into the modern dreck they are pushing, they stifle your ability to find anything unless you have a precise-laser-focus-trigger-phrase search. They won't even RECOMMEND within a genre unless it is new and dumpy. Hidden gems of the past are paved over by popularity and corporate junk.

How many times can I listen to Pink or U2 or (hip, modern, boring, suburban-bland band) before I barf? About once. Maybe less.

Apple has a massive problem in archiving and displaying and presenting of music. Your money masters might lead around the noobs by a nose ring, but I want something fresh from the days of great music and hifi production. Apple Music doesn't help me.

And gramps, here, hates the loudness war, too. Someone, please, stop with compression and let me turn up the volume to hear nuance.
 

TimmeyCook

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Please enlighten us on a few ways that it is better. I've found Spotify way better to discover new music, it's multiplatform and has a better look and feel, although that's personal.

Oh sir, please enlighten us which ways Spotify is better?

Besides “because I said so”.

Spotify is crap until it:

1. Allows me to upload my own music and stream my own files
2. Lyrics
3. Vídeos
4. Human made concise playlists, not 500-plus playlists that are basically a google search
5. Decent navigation, without tiny buttons
6. iPad interface
7. Apple Watch interface
8. A tried and true desktop interface
9. Voice controls, not asking Siri because it’s impossible for them, but any speech recognition, e.g. YouTube has speech recognition, why a paid service can’t pay any cloud service for speech recognition
10. Most of all, Apple Music has more music in it.
 

1050792

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Please enlighten us on a few ways that it is better. I've found Spotify way better to discover new music, it's multiplatform and has a better look and feel, although that's personal.
I actually find easier to find new music on Apple Music and the recommendations get really good over the time. I like the look of Apple Music much more since it's white and bold so it's easy to see in direct sunlight. The only thing I dislike about Apple Music is the search mechanism in which Spotify is miles ahead.
 

decafjava

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I just mentioned them. Now it's your turn.
He did, in this case I agree. I'll admit by default it promotes the most popular stuff that those of us with different tastes might not like - but if you carefully choose which genres/artists you like and especially of you continually engange with love/dislike tracks you come across the custom playlists it offers are better.

Plus I prefer to pay than having a "free" advertising sponsored tier.
 
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kb12252004

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Oh sir, please enlighten us which ways Spotify is better?

Besides “because I said so”.

Spotify is crap until it:

1. Allows me to upload my own music and stream my own files
2. Lyrics
3. Vídeos
4. Human made concise playlists, not 500-plus playlists that are basically a google search
5. Decent navigation, without tiny buttons
6. iPad interface
7. Apple Watch interface
8. A tried and true desktop interface
9. Voice controls, not asking Siri because it’s impossible for them, but any speech recognition, e.g. YouTube has speech recognition, why a paid service can’t pay any cloud service for speech recognition
10. Most of all, Apple Music has more music in it.


11. 3 device limit with Spotify vs. 10 device limit with Apple Music
12. 10,000 song library limit with Spotify vs. 100,000 with Apple Music
13. 3,333 song download limit per device with Spotity; no such limit with Apple Music
14. Spotify’s unsustainable business model as a stand-alone service.

I have found Spotify to be a very good service, however limitations #11-13 are particularly troubling.
 
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daanodinot

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Let's face it: it helps when your app is built-in. Most people will try the built-in app first and, when it's good enough, stick with it. Then add all the integrations Apple Music has with Apple's ecosystem (Apple Watch, Apple TV, HomePod, Siri etc.) and an enormous marketing budget, and it's not at all surprising that most people with an iPhone will end up with Apple Music.
 

mdnz

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He did, in this case I agree. I'll admit be default it promotes the most popular stuff that those of us with different tastes might not like - but if you carefully choose which genres/artists you like and especially of you continually engange with love/dislike tracks you come across the custom playlists it offers are better.

Plus I prefer to pay than having a "free" advertising sponsored tier.

He edited his post to include them. And you prefer to pay and have no options rather than a free advertising tier AND a paid tier? Weird choice but whatever flows your boat.
 

69Mustang

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In between a rock and a hard place
Apple Music has been a major contributor to the continued growth of Apple's services category, bringing in $9.1 billion revenue in the second fiscal quarter of 2018, an increase of 31 percent on a year-over-year basis.
Juli. The pedant in me has a slight issue. Can you re-word this sentence to better indicate the services category had a $9B qtr and not Apple Music? As written, you're stating AM brought in $9B.

On topic: Tried AM. Did not like. Used to use free Spotify - was okay. No complaints. Chose GPM+YT - best bang for my buck.
 

jona2125

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Agreed. AM is fine for casual hand picked listening at home from my computer but I always struggle for it to do any sort of accurate curation. Creating stations is a mess. The first song can be hip hop, the next song will then be country, and the following song after that will be jazz. It gets seriously frustrating when I'm just trying to find some new songs in a specific genre. I stick to GPM for that still now. Spotify was alright but it just doesn't stack up to either of those, especially on mobile.
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Let's face it: it helps when your app is built-in. Most people will try the built-in app first and, when it's good enough, stick with it. Then add all the integrations Apple Music has with Apple's ecosystem (Apple Watch, Apple TV, HomePod, Siri etc.) and an enormous marketing budget, and it's not at all surprising that most people with an iPhone will end up with Apple Music.

I thought that would make it tolerable but honestly the app crashes all the time, you'd think on iOS it would work well.
 

polbit

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Long-time Spotify users, we have tried both Apple Music and Google Play/Youtube Red, and are now happily enjoying Google. There is really very little difference in content these days, it's mostly what interface you like. To both me and my wife, Apple Music was/is the hardest to use/find stuff.
 

sergekills

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I subscribed to Apple Music right when it was released, but after a couple of years of issues I sticked to Spotify even it's not available in my country legally.
The last straw was when I found out that half of the albums are missed from my Library. I tried to delete them and add them again, sign out/sign it and it didn't help. Every time I added a specific album to my Library, the half of it disappeared and it wasn't connected with the explicit content at all.
 

beanbaguk

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Please enlighten us on a few ways that it is better. I've found Spotify way better to discover new music, it's multiplatform and has a better look and feel, although that's personal.

I use both services and have done so for the past year. Here's what I've found:
  • Apple Music has better quality music I feel. It just sounds less compressed and has more detail.
  • It lacks a lot of big genres. I love Latin music (my Latino half calls for it), and I struggle to find playlists around this. On Spotify there is just mountains of the stuff.
  • Music variety is better on Spotify but Apple Music has some great deals with the mainstream. I love House and they have some great stuff from Ministry of Sound and other big labels.
  • The playlists on Spotify are just better. Period. The social element is far superior in this aspect and finding fresh music online is just so much easier. Having said that I use SongShift to keep my playlists in sync so I can enjoy better quality audio in Apple Music.
  • Apple Music integrates way better in my car than Spotify. (I own a BMW with ConnectedDrive and while it has Spotify integration, the Apple Music controls just work better. Weirdly I can't skip tracks on Spotify on my steering wheel, but I can with Apple Music).
Both are great products but in terms of searching for music, Spotify has trumps. In terms of audio quality....Apple is on top.
 

scotty321

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I call B.S. I’ve never met an actual person in the real world who uses Apple Music instead of Spotify.
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Spotify is crap until it:
6. iPad interface
10. Most of all, Apple Music has more music in it.

Spotify has a great iPad interface.

Spotify is also widely known to have the most complete music library.

And, once again, I call B.S. I’ve never met an actual person in the real world who uses Apple Music instead of Spotify.
 
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tkermit

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Apple Music has become quite good. Addictive, really. Lossless music support (even if it's just for the songs I've bought) on all end devices is the main thing I still really miss. Apart from that, it pretty much feels like the best of all worlds.
 

doomfront

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I actually find easier to find new music on Apple Music and the recommendations get really good over the time. I like the look of Apple Music much more since it's white and bold so it's easy to see in direct sunlight. The only thing I dislike about Apple Music is the search mechanism in which Spotify is miles ahead.

I've used for a while now and the recommendations have been terrible the entire time. That's the advantage Spotify has over Apple Music, the recommended music and playlists are way better.

I pay for both thanks to Spotify's bundle deal with Hulu. Apple Music is great for organizing my own music, Spotify is better for nearly everything els
 

827538

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I've tried Apple Music three times and every time I come back to Spotify. I feel like I can't find any good playlists or new music. Spotify is just much better in my experience for its' UI and ability to find new music through playlists people have made for each genre. Being able to 'go to radio' on a song is great too.
 
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