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The momentum that Apple Music is gaining cannot be understated.

We know that Apple is getting into content distribution, including their own video streaming service and a paid news service. A larger Apple Music base would make it easer to push a content bundle onto their existing user base, further cementing Apple's grip on their ecosystem.

It's not hard to see how this becomes a virtuous cycle moving forward, with Apple Music helping to sell more Apple hardware, and Apple hardware helping to sell even more Apple Music subscriptions, all while Spotify is relegated to the outside peering in.

This also suggests that many of the narratives surrounding Spotify may not be as accurate as initially made out to be. I have always found it funny how critics like to focus on absolute market share in a vacuum (especially when it puts Apple in a negative light), without realising that when taken out of context, these numbers can be so easily manipulated to the point of being meaningless.

For example, Spotify may have more paid subscribers, but how many of them are subscribed to Spotify only because of some bundled deal? As such, they might not actually be actively using Spotify, much less graduating to the actual paid tier once the promotion expires.

This means that while Apple Music may have fewer subscribers on paper, their users would actually be more engaged on average, like when Drake registered more streams on Apple Music despite it having fewer subscribers than Spotify. That matters when negotiating for album exclusives or funding artistes to create original content.

Apple once ruled the music industry via iTunes. Might we one day see iTunes 2.0 where Apple once again owns the entire music industry by virtue of being the only sustainable music streaming service in the market?

The way I see it, Apple Music is only just getting started, and it can't be stopped. This is really Apple's game to lose.
 
It was bound to happen.

Apple Music is better than Spotify in every way.

Spotify was busy trying to gain costumers at all costs and relying on inertia (e.g. libraries you can’t export) to keep them in their service.
The more costumers, the more tailor-made !
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Kind of interesting how it’s like

USA = Apple Music
World = Spotify

USA = iMessage
World = WhatsApp
I shall add, living in the UK, that I know no iPhone user in their right mind who bothers ever opening Apple Maps.
 
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FWIW, I see lots of advocacy here but less personal and accurate accounts so I'll add another.

Have used the big three: Spotify, Tidal and Apple Music. They all have different pluses but overall, Spotify is best for its added benefits of playlists, shared versions of same and a GUI that is far more intuitive than the other two.

Apple Music has a much more simple interface than Tidal and especially Spotify and this appeals most to users of say Pandora or those who fancy a more narrow listening range of music.

Spotify has inherent strengths which are tough to beat covering in depth more genres with easier discovery than the others IMHO. It may be one of the strongest features of their service.

In addition, audio quality is important, so that led me to repeatedly returning to Tidal to most recently, check out MQA. It's overrated and won't go into the double unfold (unnecessary my guess) and not a big deal on a quality system. SACD it ain't. Notice no one here is talking about MQA and Tidal. Says a lot in many ways.

Spotify is remarkable for its quality and delivery. Not sure how they do it but Spotify's Ogg Vorbis meets Tidal FLAC on my high-end monoblock tube amps with full range speaker system. A year ago, that wasn't the case as Tidal was just a bit better with FLAC. But I can't stand the force-fed homepage of Rap of Tidal that never allows users to personalize it.

It's clear why Spotify has such a strong base and will continue to no matter the inherent strengths of Apple's ecosystem, YMMV.
 
Spotify still wins hands down for better music discover/suggestions over Apple Music (for me at least). I subscribe to both services and I have noticed that the personalized playlists that AM gives me tend to have repeated tracks from the previous week (sans New Music Playlist). Spotify's Discover Weekly playlist is basically on point each and every week. Although I do prefer the UI and better music quality the AM has. I just wish they gave me better musical selections based on my taste (AM seems to be catered more towards mainstream music, which I can get into at times, but I prefer to listen to stuff you don't hear on the radio - Spotify gets that).
 
11. 3 device limit with Spotify vs. 10 device limit with Apple Music
12. 10,000 song library limit with Spotify vs. 100,000 with Apple Music
13. 3,333 song download limit per device with Spotity; no such limit with Apple Music
14. Spotify’s unsustainable business model as a stand-alone service.

I have found Spotify to be a very good service, however limitations #11-13 are particularly troubling.

14 is why, even though I believe Spotify is better in almost every way, I'm beginning to switch over to Apple Music. I don't want to invest in a music library that may or may not be around in 5 years. Apple can afford to lose money on its streaming service. Spotify can't.
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At this point, I'm subscribed to both, and I hate it.

Apple Music's personal library management is worth every penny, letting you mix uploaded, purchased, and streamed tracks and having all the granular control of the (bad interface, but very powerful) iTunes, and a very well laid out iOS app. Also the deep-OS integration with spotlight and Siri is awesome. Also I feel the audio quality is better (I know its 256 vs Spotify's 320, but it just sounds so much better, especially in songs with complex treble and tons of hi hats and scares and stuff. My theory is AAC is better than OGG for electronic music, both are set to only feed me the highest quality file).

But while Spotify falls short on library management, it shines in discovery. Spotify has infinitely better playlists (for EDM at least, the "supplied" playlists on both suck but Spotify has extensive user created content thats gold). Also Spotify connect is incredible, I can hand off my queue and play session from any device (a feature I'm flabbergasted apple music doesn't have with apples handoff), and I love that I can sign into my account on any computer and control it from my phone (especially with apple musics very odd 90 day limitation), great for playing music at work and parties.

If Spotify ever lets me upload my own tracks, and edit my tracks tags ill probably ditch apple music. If apple music lets me sign into my account on any machine as often as I want, and improves browsing user-generated content without having them in my contact book, ill probably ditch Spotify.

Also I would love for either of them to offer a hi-fi tier but I can only dream.

edit: also I HATE that Spotify's list view doesn't have album art. It's a small issue, that is pretty much a deal breaker for someone who is visual.

In the exact same boat. I've had Spotify since it launched in the US in 2011, but I'm becoming increasingly worried that it won't be around in a few years. It's much harder to discover good music on AM, but the fact that it's really geared towards a library is big.
 
This has got to be a regional thing. Or perhaps a generational thing? I'm in my 20's living in NYC and I can count the number of people I know with Apple Music on one hand. All of my friends and coworkers use Spotify, as do I. Spotify's US HQ is based here in New York so maybe that has something to do with it.
 
I think that comes down to personal opinion. I’ve had both and I personally prefer Spotify.
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Agreed, Apple Music recommendation were always crap. Whereas Spotify was always spot on what songs I like.


But what about the musicians? Does it matter to you that Spotify is seriously underpaying them, less than half, compared to Apple Music?


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But what about the musicians? Does it matter to you that Spotify is seriously underpaying them, less than half, compared to Apple Music?


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I could lie and say it bothers me but it doesn't bother me. Musicians can refuse to have their music on Spotify. But they choose to accept it. At the end of the day they're still making more money than I'll ever see at one time in my life.
 
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Thanks for update. In 2018. Apple increased the amount that it is paying to an even greater amount, making the disparity with Google and Spotify even more stark. This is why the musicians themselves thank Apple.

"In 2017, Apple Music paid $0.0064 per stream. This year, the number has risen to $0.00783."

This doesn't tell the complete story. Google and Spotify have much higher subscriber counts so musicians get paid more in total. Similar to the successful Costco model of selling more quantity at lower price.
 
This has got to be a regional thing. Or perhaps a generational thing? I'm in my 20's living in NYC and I can count the number of people I know with Apple Music on one hand. All of my friends and coworkers use Spotify, as do I. Spotify's US HQ is based here in New York so maybe that has something to do with it.

I also live in NYC in my 30s, and everyone that I know who streams music uses Spotify even on their Apple devices. I have seen people on the subway stream Apple music though, but it is trounced by the former.
 
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This doesn't tell the complete story. Google and Spotify have much higher subscriber counts so musicians get paid more in total. Similar to the successful Costco model of selling more quantity at lower price.
Like how the iPhone has the smaller market share but takes in all the profits in the industry?

When we hear reports of how artistes like Drake are clocking in more steams on Apple Music than Spotify, this sounds like the whole market share vs usage share argument all over again.

On paper, Spotify has the larger market share, but if it turns out that Apple Music subscribers are more engaged, it can mean that these artistes end up earning more from Apple Music both from a combination of higher than average usage and better rates overall.
 
Like how the iPhone has the smaller market share but takes in all the profits in the industry?

When we hear reports of how artistes like Drake are clocking in more steams on Apple Music than Spotify, this sounds like the whole market share vs usage share argument all over again.

On paper, Spotify has the larger market share, but if it turns out that Apple Music subscribers are more engaged, it can mean that these artistes end up earning more from Apple Music both from a combination of higher than average usage and better rates overall.

This will be a free marketing for Apple Music, which means more artists will be enticed to post their music for Apple Music instead of competitors. The snow ball is starting to roll, and no doubt and it will trump everything on its path.

The engagement is just so much more personal. I listen to Apple Music on my phone, iPad, HomePod, anytime I want some tunes. Even when Spotify is present on pretty much every gadget on the planet. But the engagement is minimun since there's no ecosystem to fully support it.
 
This will be a free marketing for Apple Music, which means more artists will be enticed to post their music for Apple Music instead of competitors. The snow ball is starting to roll, and no doubt and it will trump everything on its path.

I don’t see any reason why an artiste would not want to put their music on as many different platforms and services as possible, but if Apple ever decides to do music exclusives, this will be one huge selling point for them.
 
Something must be wrong with you BMW. There is a dedicated Spotify app for both my old 3 series F30 and my new 5 series. Have you downloaded the app or are you just selecting the iPhone as a usb device?
Skipping tracks from the steering wheel was no problem with both of these cars.

I've used the built-in app within ConnectedDrive. It all connects fine but no steering controls unfortunately. (I have an F31 fyi).
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Apart from points 7 and 9 (both completely irrelevant for me) you are just talking nonsense, Sir.
In any case, enjoy the tool you like best, whilst trying a bit harder not to find inane reasons as to why a lot of people worldwide shouldn’t prefer a different tool.
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Most people that complain about Spotify audio quality have no idea that once you become a paying subscriber you can change the quality to CD equivalent level. (You actually have to go into the settings to do this)
I assume you knew this and still believe that the quality is not good enough... how much I would love to do a blind test to prove you right.

I have it on "Extreme" level as a paid subscriber. (I've been a Spotify user since they were in beta, back in 2007, so to say I've used them a while is a fair statement).

I find the Apple compression is far superior or maybe it's the way the music is encoded. It sounds louder, clearer and much punchier. My wife who is not into music quality noticed it right away and thought I'd changed something in my car.

Also, just to add, I have a completely custom audio system in my car so it's tuned to my music tastes.
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On my 2013 BMW Mini, When using Spotify, The controls on the steering wheel and dash work perfectly (via the 'official' USB to Lightning adapter), and yet on my sons 2018 BMW Mini (that does not require a USB lighting adapter), he can only skip tracks via the dash as the steering wheel controls don't work. Seems like this is more of a BMW thing rather that Spotify!

I totally agree it's a BMW thing and nothing to do with Spotify, but the functionality is there for Apple Music and not for Spotify. I could probably do a firmware update on my iDrive, but as my car did not come as standard with the Professional system and I spent literally days installing and coding the entire audio system, professional iDrive and more, I just don't want to tamper with it any longer!!!! :D
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don't really believe in those apple numbers. i have yet to meet a single person that uses apple music. everybody i know uses spotify

Let me introduce myself. I'm beanbag. Nice to meet you.

Now you know one person that uses it. (But I also use Spotify) ;)
 
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This doesn't tell the complete story. Google and Spotify have much higher subscriber counts so musicians get paid more in total. Similar to the successful Costco model of selling more quantity at lower price.


You're torturing logic and not understanding the math to try and make yourself feel better. By your logic, if you go to work for Costco and they pay you $5.00 an hour, but let you work 40 hrs a week, but pay someone else $15 a hour for the same work who works only 10 hours a week, you should be happy because Costco paid you $50 more. LOL.

You're also confusing the number of subscribers with the number of streams of a song. As shown with the recent Drake song, Apple Music had many millions more streams of his latest release than Spotify despite many more subscribers.
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I could lie and say it bothers me but it doesn't bother me. Musicians can refuse to have their music on Spotify. But they choose to accept it. At the end of the day they're still making more money than I'll ever see at one time in my life.


You don't know the music industry. The average musician undoubtedly makes much less than you make, so you are taking even more money out of their pockets by listening to their music on Spotify, or even worse, Youtube.
 
Please enlighten us on a few ways that it is better. I've found Spotify way better to discover new music, it's multiplatform and has a better look and feel, although that's personal.
Can you give an example of a platform where Apple Music is not available?
 
Serious question: is Apple Music good?

I remember the launch, and it was corrupting people”s music libraries because it was mid-matching songs, functionality was limited, and the interface looked like that overly anemic white space, but that was awhile ago.

But maybe things have changed. Or, is Apple Music growing just because they have prime real estate on our devices? Hoping it’s the former.

So what the word?

It's good if you use it just for streaming. Having your own library + Apple Music is fine.

Mixing with your own library is MADNESS.

Also, it's true Apple Music pays more to artists than Spotify, at least indie artists, I'm sure they all have agreements with the big names and labels.
 
Whether or not Google does it does not concern me. It can be true for both. However, Google pre-loading YouTube on their devices is in no way equivalent.

Indeed is is exactly equivalent, but the fact is they both can do this and it doesn't mean they are a monopoly, that is the point I was making.
 
Can you give an example of a platform where Apple Music is not available?

To be fair, quite a lot. Apple Music does not present on any game consoles (PS4, Xbox, Nintendo). Then it’s also absent on Android TV box, and smart tvs (which often based on Android or WebOS)

I own Apple TV and HomePod though so I have no problem with that, but to your question, Apple Music may still improve its availability.
 
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I am using Youtube Music since it has ad free Youtube and works with Google home's. I personally watch a lot of Youtube so it is worth it to me. I had it before the new changes recently, so the price didn't go up for me. But, I have to say the music portion of it isn't my favorite.

You know, if Apple and Google would get along a little bit and allow Apple Music on Google home's/chromecasts, I'd give Apple Music a go in a heartbeat. I mean Apple Music is on Android. I love Apple as much as anyone else, but it is seriously annoying how tight they want to keep you into the ecosystem. They ought to not be so scared of competition, and loosen up a smidgen, and perhaps they may see even more growth.
 
You don't know the music industry. The average musician undoubtedly makes much less than you make, so you are taking even more money out of their pockets by listening to their music on Spotify, or even worse, Youtube.

If you knew the music industry, you'd realize that most musicians don't rely on streams for their income. Spotify/Apple music is usually used for promoting their music.

You want to really contribute to a starting musician? Go see their show or buy their apparel.
 
Apple music is a joke of a service. I got a refund only about $95 for a yearly service only using it a week a rip off should have gotten more back because last week they pulled three of my favorite albums that's still available on Play Music, Spotify.

I since signed up for a monthly plan gave it another chance. Well this Friday yet again another one of my favorite album grayed and and pulled and yes it is still on Play Music and Spotify. So it is no BS licensing issue as if you go into the store which loves to keep pushing you to the new music garbage those pulled albums can't even be purchased anymore.

So Apple Music clams over 40 million songs but they purposely pull older music for more new music garbage like Drake. Reminds me of another overrated garbage service that has a red N logo taking off great old content to make room for new garbage.

Also I am not going to bother to try to get a refund which is why I went monthly they will rip me off with there partial update only giving me about $6 back for using it a week. When I complained on Amazon, Play Music and Spotify I always got a full refund as long as I did it within 7 to 14 days.
 
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