Apple Music to Label AI-Generated Songs

[FeliApple]

Agreed!
I thinks it's part of what is drawing younger folks to technologies that predate them.

There is a "something" that we lost along the way and I sort of envy them enjoying the process of the discovery.

Yeah, even my most tech-oriented friends are repulsed by the current status quo, and I’m happy to see that those around me also despise the current situation.

Hopefully there are enough of us to re-discover what we have lost.

I’m certainly going to try.

 

[Sosab123]

Would you really listen to a playlist of AI-nonsense rather than make a playlist yourself with what you like?

I’m sure you like enough music to make a playlist you personally like that’s far longer than three hours.

It depends on how much time I have. If I’m intentionally creating a mood for myself to enjoy throughout the day, I’ll be much more invested in manually selecting what I want to listen to. But if I just got home and want to set a consistent tone from track to track, I’m going with one of the AI generated artists I rely on for a consistent sound. They just win hands down when it comes to keeping the vibe going from one track to the next. There isn’t nearly as much of that sudden, sweeping change in sound that you sometimes get.

I still buy music and albums, but since I started listening to AI generated music, one thing I’ve come to wish more artists did was keep an album sonically consistent. Sometimes you can go from one track that has a certain sound or vibe to it and atmosphere and then the next track leaves one feeling like theyve jumped somewhere completely different. That’s actually what attracts me to AI generated music. The consistency.

I care more about the overall vibe and consistency of a listening session than I do about who or what actually made the music. Maybe I've gotten lazy over the years, I have a lot of music, but I am a bit done with the much of manual organization part to get that consistency going, especially when it comes to how fast I can make myself a new playlist.

 

[eifelbube]

I'm having trouble getting away from an obvious AI user fever dream of "making music that's just like Taylor Swift (or insert any major artist)" and trying to monetize it on a service.

I think that's a portion of this that many just don't want to admit.
That would also explain why someone wouldn't want AI music being labeled as such.

I believe the generative AI subcategory “quick-buck AI” is real.

 

[turbineseaplane]

I believe the generative AI subcategory “quick-buck AI” is real.

Absolutely. It's completely ruining new macOS App discovery already.

Every day people are posting their vibe coded slApps (slop Apps) on reddit.

I sure hope the AI will be able to figure out problems down the line, as the non-developers doing much of this sure won't.

 

[Sh3ldon]

Give us back vinyl, cassette tapes, and the rock concerts of the 60s and 70s—forget AI artists! We need to return to flesh-and-blood artists and their inspiration, to the songs that made history! Music lovers of the world, unite!

 

[Sosab123]

Give us back vinyl, cassette tapes, and the rock concerts of the 60s and 70s—forget AI artists! We need to return to flesh-and-blood artists and their inspiration, to the songs that made history! Music lovers of the world, unite!

Vinyl is still very much alive. I actually reserve my record player for some of the best music I have.

 

[eifelbube]

I'm in a small town this weekend, staying in an above garage apartment outfitted with a brilliant array of older technology. There is a 1990's Bose setup that still works wonderfully.

Last night I had the windows open and cool mountain air was coming in. The lights were low and I fired up the Bose and turned on FM radio, which had the regional public radio Jazz station already selected.

It was a truly soul soothing evening of classical jazz delivered in a classical way.
My heart was warmed and it just felt "right".

Amazingly, I feel so much of our tech direction in the last 15-ish years has gone so far away from helping me get the feeling I had last night.

It's like we're now optimizing for goals that simply aren't human.

Jazz is one of the richest genres of music, full of spontaneity, improvisation, emotional expression, human interaction, enthusiasm. Pure human-made music is heaven, pure AI-made music is hell.

 

[eifelbube]

It depends on how much time I have. If I’m intentionally creating a mood for myself to enjoy throughout the day, I’ll be much more invested in manually selecting what I want to listen to. But if I just got home and want to set a consistent tone from track to track, I’m going with one of the AI generated artists I rely on for a consistent sound. They just win hands down when it comes to keeping the vibe going from one track to the next. There isn’t nearly as much of that sudden, sweeping change in sound that you sometimes get.

I still buy music and albums, but since I started listening to AI generated music, one thing I’ve come to wish more artists did was keep an album sonically consistent. Sometimes you can go from one track that has a certain sound or vibe to it and atmosphere and then the next track leaves one feeling like theyve jumped somewhere completely different. That’s actually what attracts me to AI generated music. The consistency.

I care more about the overall vibe and consistency of a listening session than I do about who or what actually made the music. Maybe I've gotten lazy over the years, I have a lot of music, but I am a bit done with the much of manual organization part to get that consistency going, especially when it comes to how fast I can make myself a new playlist.

For me, with such consistency music would become a soundscape, then background noise, then annoying. I would switch over to wind, rain, ocean and or forest sounds to make it a pleasant soundscape and keep it there

I prefer real music because I live in a real world. I prefer diversity and surprise over consistency and monotony.

 

[turbineseaplane]

AI music sounds perfectly equipped to become the new elevator music.

Consistent, unremarkable, monotonous "sound".
A vibe of nothing. Something you forget as soon as it stops.

The physical embodiment of the term "meh".

It's honestly hilarious anyone wants AI music to even be considered as "art".

 

[FeliApple]

It depends on how much time I have. If I’m intentionally creating a mood for myself to enjoy throughout the day, I’ll be much more invested in manually selecting what I want to listen to. But if I just got home and want to set a consistent tone from track to track, I’m going with one of the AI generated artists I rely on for a consistent sound. They just win hands down when it comes to keeping the vibe going from one track to the next. There isn’t nearly as much of that sudden, sweeping change in sound that you sometimes get.

I still buy music and albums, but since I started listening to AI generated music, one thing I’ve come to wish more artists did was keep an album sonically consistent. Sometimes you can go from one track that has a certain sound or vibe to it and atmosphere and then the next track leaves one feeling like theyve jumped somewhere completely different. That’s actually what attracts me to AI generated music. The consistency.

I care more about the overall vibe and consistency of a listening session than I do about who or what actually made the music. Maybe I've gotten lazy over the years, I have a lot of music, but I am a bit done with the much of manual organization part to get that consistency going, especially when it comes to how fast I can make myself a new playlist.

I mean, you can listen to whatever you like and I’m nobody to determine what you should listen to.

But I find it impossible to respect your taste, sorry.

 

[Sosab123]

I mean, you can listen to whatever you like and I’m nobody to determine what you should listen to.

But I find it impossible to respect your taste, sorry.

I agree with you completely absolutely and I agree with your perspective, no worries these are the same arguments as anything on the way out for something new on the way in. It's behavior as old as time. I mean I'm 33 but I'm sure it's the same thing as the synthesizer argument anyways.

 

[Luftkopf]

Yes, plenty. In fact there are some AI tools now that allow you to create your own custom AI model based on your own works (melodies, instrumental parts your made, beats you make, complete recorded songs you created, your own vocals, even your own lyrics). Then you can make a song (melodies, lyrics, play instrumental parts, beats, lyrics and vocals) then uploaded into your own custom model to enhance the song.

Now if you got a problem with this then tell me why? Because you think this is hurting working musicians? Because you think that artists and bands who play their own instruments and go to the studio, spending hundreds of dollars not making the same type of money? Because I don't understand why a person will get all up in arms about a song that is a original song (music) using AI as a tool to create a hybrid.

I'm still hung up on what an AI model will do to 'enhance' a half-mixed, unmastered song. Is it supposed to fake the mastering process? That's an art and a science itself, and while AI powered tools might start to be used in that process, I doubt any song worth listening to is going to be made by giving AI a track that is just a basic unmastered mix to finish off.

Or am I still missing your point, because this sounds like a quick way to reduce all new music to a semi-homogeneous mush.

It depends on how much time I have. If I’m intentionally creating a mood for myself to enjoy throughout the day, I’ll be much more invested in manually selecting what I want to listen to. But if I just got home and want to set a consistent tone from track to track, I’m going with one of the AI generated artists I rely on for a consistent sound. They just win hands down when it comes to keeping the vibe going from one track to the next. There isn’t nearly as much of that sudden, sweeping change in sound that you sometimes get.

I still buy music and albums, but since I started listening to AI generated music, one thing I’ve come to wish more artists did was keep an album sonically consistent. Sometimes you can go from one track that has a certain sound or vibe to it and atmosphere and then the next track leaves one feeling like theyve jumped somewhere completely different. That’s actually what attracts me to AI generated music. The consistency.

I care more about the overall vibe and consistency of a listening session than I do about who or what actually made the music. Maybe I've gotten lazy over the years, I have a lot of music, but I am a bit done with the much of manual organization part to get that consistency going, especially when it comes to how fast I can make myself a new playlist.

I'm finding it quite difficult to understand this attitude to music. Is it like a noise generator that sits in the background and you don't actually pay any particular attention to it? (I'm not having a go, I just engage with music very differently)

Give us back vinyl, cassette tapes, and the rock concerts of the 60s and 70s—forget AI artists! We need to return to flesh-and-blood artists and their inspiration, to the songs that made history! Music lovers of the world, unite!

They're cool, I'll listen to them occasionally, but I can't listen to them for long stretches. I'm more into metal, and German punk. But the principle stands. Real people making real music cannot be allowed to die!

 

[ChromeAce]

Auto-correct is massively different.

Tired of seeing posts written by AI. Can’t you write? Pathetic. I dismiss them immediately.

Some people have even told me “I use AI to prevent mistakes”. Give me the mistakes! I don’t care. I won’t judge you. But if I’m having a conversation with you, I want your words, not AI’s pathetic garbage.

Have you no sense of history? This is exactly the kind of mindless rhetoric that was uttered when the printing press took off, when the personal typewriter became popular, when a computer word processor and printer made editing simpler, when spell-check and grammar-check emerged, when OCR started scanning and digitizing books, when audio went digital, when books went digital, when audiobooks outsold paperbacks, when Photoshop became a verb, and when Wikipedia started being used as a source.

So now we have some apps that are consolidating all that technology and suddenly it’s something new and evil that’s worthy of fear, segregation, and CAUTION labels? Again, I don’t care how something was made. I care what it says.

 

[turbineseaplane]

Have you no sense of history? This is exactly the kind of mindless rhetoric that was uttered when the printing press took off, when the personal typewriter became popular, when a computer word processor and printer made editing simpler, when spell-check and grammar-check emerged, when OCR started scanning and digitizing books, when audio went digital, when books went digital, when audiobooks outsold paperbacks, when Photoshop became a verb, and when Wikipedia started being used as a source. So now we have some apps that are consolidating all that technology and suddenly it’s something new and evil that worthy of fear? Again, I don’t care how something was made. I care what it says.

Nope! Sorry, those are incorrect comparisons, all of them.

 

[FeliApple]

Have you no sense of history? This is exactly the kind of mindless rhetoric that was uttered when the printing press took off, when the personal typewriter became popular, when a computer word processor and printer made editing simpler, when spell-check and grammar-check emerged, when OCR started scanning and digitizing books, when audio went digital, when books went digital, when audiobooks outsold paperbacks, when Photoshop became a verb, and when Wikipedia started being used as a source.

So now we have some apps that are consolidating all that technology and suddenly it’s something new and evil that’s worthy of fear, segregation, and CAUTION labels? Again, I don’t care how something was made. I care what it says.

Well, books are now audiobooks and the short-text format prevalent in social media has had the consequence of people not really reading anymore.

What do you think “AI writes for me” will cause? People will have no voice of their own. Pathetic garbage. Write it yourself or I’ll dismiss you.

The rest of the comparisons are all incorrect.

 

[ChromeAce]

Well, books are now audiobooks and the short-text format prevalent in social media has had the consequence of people not really reading anymore.

What do you think “AI writes for me” will cause? People will have no voice of their own. Pathetic garbage. Write it yourself or I’ll dismiss you.

The rest of the comparisons are all incorrect.

AI doesn’t “write for me,” it always requires human prompting. Just as humans are capable of bad creations on their own, AI is capable of amazing ones with the right guidance.

 

[FeliApple]

AI doesn’t “write for me,” it always requires human prompting. Just as humans are capable of bad creations on their own, AI is capable of amazing ones with the right guidance.

Naaaaaaah. Come on. Really?

“AI doesn’t write by itself because it requires prompting by a human”?

Not even you believe that that argument is genuine.

 

[turbineseaplane]

Naaaaaaah. Come on. Really?

“AI doesn’t write by itself because it requires prompting by a human”?

Not even you believe that that argument is genuine.

Hey Bot, cook me a meal

(meal gets cooked)

Who cooked it?
It sure wasn't me because I prompted the bot to do it, even if it did steal all the ingredients from my neighbors.

 

[FeliApple]

Hey Bot, cook me a meal

(meal gets cooked)

Who cooked it?
It sure wasn't me because I prompted the bot to do it, even if it did steal all the ingredients from my neighbors.

“Oops, sorry, it seems that cyanide isn’t a valid, consumable ingredient. Call 911 immediately”.

 

[Luftkopf]

Have you no sense of history? This is exactly the kind of mindless rhetoric that was uttered when the printing press took off, when the personal typewriter became popular, when a computer word processor and printer made editing simpler, when spell-check and grammar-check emerged, when OCR started scanning and digitizing books, when audio went digital, when books went digital, when audiobooks outsold paperbacks, when Photoshop became a verb, and when Wikipedia started being used as a source.

So now we have some apps that are consolidating all that technology and suddenly it’s something new and evil that’s worthy of fear, segregation, and CAUTION labels? Again, I don’t care how something was made. I care what it says.

Have you no sense of perspective? How can you look at these things and see any equivalence between them and AI?

 

[bookofxero]

I mean I mostly listen to classical music but thanks I guess lol

Classical music is at greater risk, IMO. It is easier for generative algorithms (I refuse to call what they do “AI”) to sneak work in that space.

 

[ChromeAce]

What’s next, “CAUTION: VIBE CODED” labels in the App Store?

 

[turbineseaplane]

What’s next, “CAUTION: VIBE CODED” labels in the App Store?

That actually would be good! 👍 Great idea!
It's a really frustrating degradation of the new macOS App discovery nowadays.

 

[Happy_John]

What’s next, “CAUTION: VIBE CODED” labels in the App Store?

That’s not a bad idea.

Having at least a hint of a guarantee that a human actually looked at the code before sending it to be sold is … pretty reasonable.

Would you want you buy a new car from a seller who told you, “no, it hasn’t been checked, but from the outside it looks like a functioning car”.

 

[jz0309]

And then there is this, way to go Australia!

Songs created by AI banned from Australia's music charts

The move comes weeks after a DJ admitted using AI to remix a Madonna song that topped the Australian charts.

www.bbc.com