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So does anyone here actually know the real reason, or is it all pointless speculation and incessant whining still?
 
Cause jumping up and down making up convenient theories such as regulatory is okay.....geez there is some hypocrisy on this site.

Just checked and there are dozens and dozens companies in Australia breaking this made up regulatory excuse .... including Tidal....same industry .

Maybe just maybe its greed...... nah..... it's the Oceania / Swiss / Spanish pact... a Newley formed PACT to force Apple to make millions cause people in those countries have to be charged....led by Australia , who decided to get involved in EU politics cause they are now part of Eurovision.

It's all cause of Eurovision !!!!!


I'm speculating and that's pretty clear. Elsewhere I said it could be due to country specific licensing issues with the music labels. My and others' speculation does not have the consequence of trashing a company/person. And having to apologize if Im wrong.

Continue with your narrative that allows you to conveniently trash Apple before having any facts at all. Before trashing any company/person I'd sure want to have facts at hand. You have absolutely none.
 
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I would imagine that if you dug into local laws, there is a probably a relatively recent law in those countries that affects this.

A proposed law in the U.S. has been something along the lines of the following:
If a free trial is offered, it cannot be set to automatically renew at the end of the trial, instead it must be set to end at the end of the trial by default and only renew if the user logs in an manually changes it to auto renew indicating that they wan't to keep the service after the trial.

I wouldn't be at all surprised if these countries have laws like this to protect the consumer from unscrupulous companies setting up auto renewal of services after free trials. And I wouldn't be at all surprised if the law allows auto renewal to be turned on if there is a payment for the trial period.
 
As someone that lives in Australia, I can say there is nothing in local laws that says that a trial must be paid for. (Well, unless there are lots of others that are breaking the law - e.g. Netflix, etc).

More likely, it is just a way to increase the conversion rate. By charging a nominal fee, the trialists that sign up without any intention of ever paying will be much less likely to sign up, thereby reducing payments to artists + streaming fees (and load on servers, etc) for users that have no return. 99c for three months is very low if you are considering signing up for the full fee. They may have considered this before but been hesitant with the risk that customers may be turned away, but with Spotify recently moving to 99c there is much less risk that any serious potential customers would be much less likely to trial.
 
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I'm speculating and that's pretty clear. Elsewhere I said it could be due to country specific licensing issues with the music labels. My and others' speculation does not have the consequence of trashing a company/person. And having to apologize if Im wrong.

Continue with your narrative that allows you to conveniently trash Apple before having any facts at all. Before trashing any company/person I'd sure want to have facts at hand. You have absolutely none.

In which case i would recommned that you follow your own advice and not make up facts. In this case that's it's a legal reason.

so.....I'm sharing an "opinion" on a "rumours" site that this could be to do with profit , which Tim Cook is doing a great job of actually managing, and you call that trashing a company? Are you serious .......

Given the Facts that Australia is no where near Europe, except for the Eurovision jokes (Eurovision was just on) and that dozens of companies including Tidal offer free trials in Australia (only checked oz) when it comes to facts, I don't like making stuff up....like apple is forced for legal reasons, contrary to quick research I did.

Please follow your own advice.....facts. Apple is a company about profits, given apple's user base this is actually a big chunk of extra money.... also as I stated, companies like Spotify need to charge to get your personal info and payment details, apple already has these in most cases as you need it for appleid and AppStore, so they don't need that token payment like Spotify.

Don't accuse me of not providing some reasoning into this , cause I frankly have, bother reading the thread. So please follow your own advice and apologise for apple before having any facts at all.

Please provide any facts at all that apple was forced to do this in Australia , Spain and Switzerland for legal reasons.... let's both play by the same rules eh? Otherwise it's hypocrisy as I stated. I have provided a number of theories , over to you.... I have also shown that if it's legal, how come others continue to offer trials ....breaking these laws, even other streaming services like Tidal
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As someone that lives in Australia, I can say there is nothing in local laws that says that a trial must be paid for. (Well, unless there are lots of others that are breaking the law - e.g. Netflix, etc).

More likely, it is just a way to increase the conversion rate. By charging a nominal fee, the trialists that sign up without any intention of ever paying will be much less likely to sign up, thereby reducing payments to artists + streaming fees (and load on servers, etc) for users that have no return. 99c for three months is very low if you are considering signing up for the full fee. They may have considered this before but been hesitant with the risk that customers may be turned away, but with Spotify recently moving to 99c there is much less risk that any serious potential customers would be much less likely to trial.

Exactly. Spotify in the last two weeks offered a 3 month for 99 cents globally, saw it on a few deal forums, this is in my opinion a good time for apple to match that and make some money, as it is a token amount for many. And they can test the uptake in a few countries first. I'm from Australia living in Europe and there is no laws forcing apple to do this, it would have been in the news that free trials are going away.
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So does anyone here actually know the real reason, or is it all pointless speculation and incessant whining still?

It's MR :p even if there was a reason, there would be pointless speculation and incessant whining ....
 
In which case i would recommned that you follow your own advice and not make up facts. In this case that's it's a legal reason.

so.....I'm sharing an "opinion" on a "rumours" site that this could be to do with profit , which Tim Cook is doing a great job of actually managing, and you call that trashing a company? Are you serious .......

Given the Facts that Australia is no where near Europe, except for the Eurovision jokes (Eurovision was just on) and that dozens of companies including Tidal offer free trials in Australia (only checked oz) when it comes to facts, I don't like making stuff up....like apple is forced for legal reasons, contrary to quick research I did.

Please follow your own advice.....facts. Apple is a company about profits, given apple's user base this is actually a big chunk of extra money.... also as I stated, companies like Spotify need to charge to get your personal info and payment details, apple already has these in most cases as you need it for appleid and AppStore, so they don't need that token payment like Spotify.

Don't accuse me of not providing some reasoning into this , cause I frankly have, bother reading the thread. So please follow your own advice and apologise for apple before having any facts at all.

Please provide any facts at all that apple was forced to do this in Australia , Spain and Switzerland for legal reasons.... let's both play by the same rules eh? Otherwise it's hypocrisy as I stated. I have provided a number of theories , over to you.... I have also shown that if it's legal, how come others continue to offer trials ....breaking these laws, even other streaming services like Tidal

It has nothing to do with Australia not being near Europe. You apparently don't know that music labels have different licensing agreements with different countries. The fact that Australia doesn't share a border with Europe means absolutely nothing.

Again, as i said previously, because Apple has not disclosed any facts on the matter, I'm speculating on potential reasons for the new fee in three countries. But the difference is I'm not trashing a company in the process, as you are, to satisfy your personal ongoing Apple is evil agenda.

In your world, me speculating is bad, but you leaping to the conclusion it's just Apple being greedy, a disparaging comment absent of disclosed facts for the fee change, is just fine. That's hypocritical.
 
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It has nothing to do with Australia not being near Europe. You apparently don't know that music labels have different licensing agreements with different countries. The fact that Australia doesn't share a border with Europe means absolutely nothing.

Again, as i said previously, because Apple has not disclosed any facts on the matter, I'm speculating on potential reasons for the new fee in three countries. But the difference is I'm not trashing a company in the process, as you are, to satisfy your personal ongoing Apple is evil agenda.

In your world, me speculating is bad, but you leaping to the conclusion it's just Apple being greedy, a disparaging comment absent of disclosed facts for the fee change, is just fine. That's hypocritical.

I think we both Need to look at the mirror now and than . It's not always black and white.
 
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Yeah, you would be the genius who fires the man who turned Apple from a $400bn company to a $800bn company.

Apple haven't made anything new since Steve Jobs died, Apple is a disaster now with Tim, they're making money from minor upgrades to iPhones which Steve Jobs invented, Tim Cook is just sitting there doing nothing and making billions of money while people are drinking dirt water in Africa, apple watch is a disaster, new macs are a disaster.

i rather give 99 cents to the poor than add it to apple's $800bn which they never use.
 
This seems fairly obvious to me... be it $9.99, $0.99, or $0.0001, user who pay, fall into "paid subscription" category. That way Apple can, at some point, tout being the largest paid subscription music provider/service. It doesn't matter what the amount is, as long as they are paying, it's plus +1 for a title Apple's dying claim.

Of course it is. Slow rollout obviously but at some point that slide is coming up during a Keynote "We now have x amount of paying Apple Music subscribers...."
 
This would just because someone else does it (Spotify), so Apple *must* follow suit..

They don't HAVE to, They WANT to.
 
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