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I'm on the latest build put out. I'd say don't hold your breath on it shipping just yet. Unless there was lots of overtime I don't see it happening. I still have some serious issues.
 
...will it be intel-only?... No, but I expect we'll find out for sure next week.

The fact that they said from the start that it is for Intel machines only, all the developer previews have been Intel-only and all the applications in the current build are Intel builds, not Universal are not enough to assume that it will be Intel-only?
 
PPC support. Just don't forget it.



No. Mac stuff please. I couldn't care less about the iPhone.


Why would you think that the Mac carries much weight now. Remember how long that OS 10.5 was delayed & for what reason. Even with that extra time it still wasn't ready for prime time.

Why do you think that the Mac part of the company will be treated any differently this time around?

Macs are updated yearly or a few months longer now. iPods are updated in September at the end of the free iPod Touch deal. The iPhone has replaced the iPod as Apple's excuse to forget the Mac.
 
Remember how long that OS 10.5 was delayed & for what reason. Even with that extra time it still wasn't ready for prime time.
Can we clear this up once and for all?

It was my understanding that 10.5 was never delayed, only the tech journalists said it was even though Apple never gave a release date.

Can someone who was in the mac scene at the time clarify?
 
Can we clear this up once and for all?

It was my understanding that 10.5 was never delayed, only the tech journalists said it was even though Apple never gave a release date.

Can someone who was in the mac scene at the time clarify?

Mac OS 10.5 was delayed so that Apple engineers could concentrate on getting out the iPhone.
 
Can we clear this up once and for all?

It was my understanding that 10.5 was never delayed, only the tech journalists said it was even though Apple never gave a release date.

Can someone who was in the mac scene at the time clarify?
Lots of news and blogs point to the iPhone delaying Leopard. When you make it back to Apple's official admission on Apple PR it's not there though.

I just Googled it?
 
Lots of news and blogs point to the iPhone delaying Leopard. When you make it back to Apple's official admission on Apple PR it's not there though.

I just Googled it?

I'm just asking, was there an actual release date or timeframe they gave, that they were later unable to meet?

I dont trust tech journalism anymore, it all seems to be speculation, every last drop of it.
 
I'm just asking, was there an actual release date or timeframe they gave, that they were later unable to meet?

I dont trust tech journalism anymore, it all seems to be speculation, every last drop of it.

I've never seen an actual "date" per se for the release of future software other than what was said at an event.
 
Possibly we'll see at the WWDC an "Oh and one more thing" announcement for July or Aug 1

No debt, $30 Billion in the bank-the NYC flagship store had an astounding $440 Million in sales in 2008

My God-no wonder MS are nervous-their market share IS eroding-and APPLE is going like gangbusters according to several business journals

These are old men who 'dont get it'

Even their reeking of desperation ZOON ads miss the point-
They have a kind of 'Enterprise' feel about them-too stodgy
and who wants to sit through a math class on the phantom virtues of the zoon?

Even their "hip" "groovy" ads feel like theyre written by clueless 40/50-something PR guys who THINK that they know how to 'market' to the 20-35 year old demographic-ads populated by MS/consumer/breeder 'poodle' types


Their 'cost of owning a Mac' ads I think are actually helping expose APPLE to a larger mass of people who have never heard of them-people will ALWAYS want to see what the fuss is all about.
As its been said
"There is no such thing as bad publicity"

I dont know if PPC can keep up with OS X any longer-as of SL-so it makes sense to retire it
Look for a spate of new Mac purchases-while the holdouts will keep their PPC machines
 
I'm just asking, was there an actual release date or timeframe they gave, that they were later unable to meet?

I dont trust tech journalism anymore, it all seems to be speculation, every last drop of it.
Here's what I found just before it hops to Apple's PR.

CUPERTINO, Calif., April 12 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Apple today
released the following statement:
iPhone has already passed several of its required certification tests
and is on schedule to ship in late June as planned. We can't wait until
customers get their hands (and fingers) on it and experience what a
revolutionary and magical product it is. However, iPhone contains the most
sophisticated software ever shipped on a mobile device, and finishing it on
time has not come without a price -- we had to borrow some key software
engineering and QA resources from our Mac OS(R) X team, and as a result we
will not be able to release Leopard at our Worldwide Developers Conference
in early June as planned. While Leopard's features will be complete by
then, we cannot deliver the quality release that we and our customers
expect from us. We now plan to show our developers a near final version of
Leopard at the conference, give them a beta copy to take home so they can
do their final testing, and ship Leopard in October. We think it will be
well worth the wait. Life often presents tradeoffs, and in this case we're
sure we've made the right ones.

And it made it to Page 1.
 
edit: beat to it.

I'm just asking, was there an actual release date or timeframe they gave, that they were later unable to meet?

I dont trust tech journalism anymore, it all seems to be speculation, every last drop of it.

They did plan to debut Leopard in June 2007 at WWDC, but was delayed until October. The delay was specifically blamed on the iPhone.

"iPhone contains the most sophisticated software ever shipped on a mobile device, and finishing it on time has not come without a price -- we had to borrow some key software engineering and QA resources from our Mac OS X team."

Here are some stories that talked about it.
Engadget
TUAW
 
I hope they look at MS' price options for upgrading to Windows 7 and price the upgrade just as nicely. Upgrades to Windows 7 will start at only $50.

Well, we can hope. :D
 
This Is So Ironic Its Not Even Funny...

Syllables Are Sub Words That Are Accented By Vowel Sounds Or Phonetics,
Such As:

Jag - You - Are

Not to drag the syllable thing on for longer than needed, but as a linguistics student I can't just see this and let it slide ... but don't worry, I do have actually Snow-Leopard-related comments to share as well. :D

A syllable is a grouping of sounds in a language. A syllable (depending on the particular syllable and the rules of the langauge) can have up to three parts, the onset, nucleus, and coda, with the nucleus and coda being known collectively as the rhyme. In English, the nucleus is required and the onset and coda are optional. What this boils down to for English is that a syllable is basically a vowel (nucleus) optionally surrounded by consonants (onset and coda). The examples I, me, to, and cat show four possiblities nicely, although either onset or coda could also be a consonant cluster (e.g., splat).

Back to OS X "Jaguar," General American pronunciation would usually divide it into two syllables, "ja" (onset plus nucleus) and "guar" (onset [proably a [gw] consonant cluster], nucleus, and coda). Some people would also consider the "g" to be part of the first syllable, which also works; another theory proposes that the 'g' is shared between the coda of the first syllable and the onset of the second, but we don't need to get into that. :)

British pronunciation, on the other hand, apparently divides the word more like ja-gu-ar (although due to some tendency in English to think consonants belong to the coda of stressed syllables, many speakers might claim it is divided jag-u-ar; for a simple analysis like this there is no problem dividing either way).

I'm not even sure what the quoted poster meant by "accented by vowel sounds or phonetics," but as you can see, either pronunciation of the word (and division of syllables according to that pronunciation) works out and follows the rules of English phonology perfectly fine. Depending on your pronuncation, it can be either two or three syllables.

Back on to the Snow Leopard topic, I am also excited for this release--but I'm particularly wondering about their pricing. The last incremental-ish upgrade was 10.1, which they gave away for free to 10.0 users, but I can't see them doing that again (especially since 10.1 was what 10.0 should have been), but I wonder if they'll do any sort of reduced pricing.

That would be nice.
 
I haven't read very deep on which machines with which specs will gain the most (speed-wise) with SL, but I'm hoping my iMac 24 will gain a little bit. Even without much look and feel change, I really like the idea of a Cocoa Finder.

And, like anyone else here, I could bang out a long wish list of additions... Even those that are strictly under–the–hood... But the main thing I'd like to see some under the hood attention paid to is networking... The long delays when trying to auto-mount a volume from another Mac that's not online at the moment, for one. Or clicking on a shortcut in the Finder's sidebar that needs to mount a volume that's not mounted yet. Man, talk about delays.
 
Oh, almost forgot! Let's take at some of the UI elements in Garage Band 09'. Possible hint at Marble? It's always fun to speculate. ;)

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More images below of various iLife/iWork '09 apps. Beautiful!

That is sweet! Add a black menu bar and it is near perfect. Only thing that bothers me is that iTunes is still not Cocoa/64bit and it hasn't be slimmed down. It should have been one of the first things they should have done. I realize that it would be a large undertaking but better to do it now than later.
 
I know this is rather OT, but wanted to take a moment to remind everyone that the cat whose name Apple borrowed for this release is actually critically endangered, with an estimate of only 300 left in the wild.

I have written Apple in the past, including the "steve jobs" address, to ask for their support is raising awareness of this issue, or perhaps even donate a small percentage of Snow Leopard revenue towards preservation efforts. Seems the least they could do in return for the name, but I got only silence in response.

If you'd like to learn more about the namesake animal, or even donate to help preserve this beautiful creature, this is a good site to do so:
http://www.fauna-flora.org/snowleopard.php
 
The fact that they said from the start that it is for Intel machines only, all the developer previews have been Intel-only and all the applications in the current build are Intel builds, not Universal are not enough to assume that it will be Intel-only?

It is enough to assume that. But the point was that Apple has never, to my knowledge, officially stated it. That was the question.
 
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