iPod touch Apple needs something like Zune Pass.

[PeterQVenkman]

Do you own your favorite movie or do you rent it every month out of the year?

I have netflix. Ever since renting movies through them, I buy them less. Because if I want to watch it, I can just have it sent to me when I feel like it.

Renting movies is MASSIVE business. Music will be the same way, whether you like it or not.

I never see how options to consumers is a bad thing.


Oh, and you don't lose all your music. You only lose access to content you didn't buy, much like renting movies from netflix or games from Gamefly.

 

[dejo]

Renting movies is MASSIVE business. Music will be the same way, whether you like it or not.

Music subscription services have been around for quite some time now. Yes, not within the iPod/iTunes ecosystem, but if it was such a compelling draw, the majority of consumers would be willing to forgive some of the disadvantages; but music-subscription just haven't caught fire. I would be willing to admit I was wrong if they do. But I feel pretty safe that I won't have to do that. P.S. I'll leave the problems with comparing movies and music for another time.

I never see how options to consumers is a bad thing.

Although adding this one choice isn't an example of it, too much choice actually has been shown to be a bad thing for consumers, as explained in Barry Schwartz' book "The Paradox of Choice: Why Less is More". You should avoid blanket statements like that.

 

[MegaDell]

Music subscription services have been around for quite some time now. Yes, not within the iPod/iTunes ecosystem, but if it was such a compelling draw, the majority of consumers would be willing to forgive some of the disadvantages; but music-subscription just haven't caught fire. I would be willing to admit I was wrong if they do. But I feel pretty safe that I won't have to do that. P.S. I'll leave the problems with comparing movies and music for another time.


Although adding this one choice isn't an example of it, too much choice actually has been shown to be a bad thing for consumers, as explained in Barry Schwartz' book "The Paradox of Choice: Why Less is More". You should avoid blanket statements like that.

For every song sold via itunes or on a CD, a good, oh I dunno, 1,000,000 is downloaded illegally. The music company is fully aware of this. Itunes may dominate the market as far as payed digital downloads, I can guarentee you there is someone out there with an hard drive full of music they didn't pay a dime for. The music Business has got to do something, and iTunes is not it. It's a dying animal, I can guarentee you that. The only reason it's so succesful is because Apple is so succesful with marketing the ipod, when in reality, pre ipod touch, it wasn't that great of a product, but that's another issue.

Also, he isn't making any blanket statements. He was very narrow in what he said. Some choice is good. How one service like Zune Pass creates "too much" choice is beyond me, maybe you should stop making blanket statements. You need to stop putting words in people's mouths, you are aware he only mentioned one alternative option, why you felt the need to throw in that other useless bit of information, I dunno.

 

[dejo]

For every song sold via itunes or on a CD, a good, oh I dunno, 1,000,000 is downloaded illegally.

Argumentation via exaggeration is not going to help. Be specific, quote sources, and you may actually provide a convincing argument rather than bul--, um, unsubstantiated speculation.

Also, he isn't making any blanket statements. He was very narrow in what he said.

"I never see how options to consumers is a bad thing" sounds like a blanket statement to me, especially the use of the word "never". This is not a narrow statement whatsoever.

Some choice is good. How one service like Zune Pass creates "too much" choice is beyond me, maybe you should stop making blanket statements.

Maybe you missed the part where I said "Although adding this one choice isn't an example of it".

...why you felt the need to throw in that other useless bit of information, I dunno.

I did it because I felt he was trying to argue that more choice is always better for the consumer, when it has been shown that that is not always the case.

 

[TJRiver]

For every song sold via itunes or on a CD, a good, oh I dunno, 1,000,000 is downloaded illegally. The music company is fully aware of this. Itunes may dominate the market as far as payed digital downloads, I can guarentee you there is someone out there with an hard drive full of music they didn't pay a dime for. The music Business has got to do something, and iTunes is not it. It's a dying animal, I can guarentee you that. The only reason it's so succesful is because Apple is so succesful with marketing the ipod, when in reality, pre ipod touch, it wasn't that great of a product, but that's another issue.

Also, he isn't making any blanket statements. He was very narrow in what he said. Some choice is good. How one service like Zune Pass creates "too much" choice is beyond me, maybe you should stop making blanket statements. You need to stop putting words in people's mouths, you are aware he only mentioned one alternative option, why you felt the need to throw in that other useless bit of information, I dunno.

Where the hell did you come up with this little "statistic"? If you are going to make arguments on a subject, at least try to stick to factual statements, not just pulling a number out of you @%^. There is a market for a subscription service, but consumers so far have voted with their wallets and appear to prefer to buy music and rent movies. Apple is going to do what it wants to do, and for now, that does not appear to include a music subscription option in iTunes. That gives competitors an opening to exploit. We will see how M$ does........

 

[tdmac]

Since when? I've seen the set up of having an option of getting improved bitrate for an extra 30 cents a song. You're saying they've done that for every song standard at 99 cents?

The comment was only made on the bitrate not the cost. Newer songs cost an extra 30 cents and older songs have the higher bitrate even at the .99. The other benefit is that these are DRM free .

By the way, what happens if you are a multi zune household. I assume you have to pay $15.00 per device. Thus, if all members of a family of 3 want to listen to the same song, is that going to be $45.00 a month? With itunes you can share that song among all players for the same $1.29. Even the ones with DRM can be shared on 5 computers x the number of devices connected to each of those libraries.

 

[MegaDell]

Where the hell did you come up with this little "statistic"? If you are going to make arguments on a subject, at least try to stick to factual statements, not just pulling a number out of you @%^. There is a market for a subscription service, but consumers so far have voted with their wallets and appear to prefer to buy music and rent movies. Apple is going to do what it wants to do, and for now, that does not appear to include a music subscription option in iTunes. That gives competitors an opening to exploit. We will see how M$ does........

It's a made up stastic. 76% of all statistics on the internet are false. What I'm getting at, is that with things like Limewire and Torrent sites like The Pirate Bay, music sales have taken a hit. A substancial hit. One they are trying to remedy in all the wrong ways.

 

[dejo]

...music sales have taken a hit. A substancial hit. One they are trying to remedy in all the wrong ways.

Like, for example, music-subscription services. (Sorry, I couldn't resist)

 

[MegaDell]

Argumentation via exaggeration is not going to help. Be specific, quote sources, and you may actually provide a convincing argument rather than bul--, um, unsubstantiated speculation.


"I never see how options to consumers is a bad thing" sounds like a blanket statement to me, especially the use of the word "never". This is not a narrow statement whatsoever.


Maybe you missed the part where I said "Although adding this one choice isn't an example of it".


I did it because I felt he was trying to argue that more choice is always better for the consumer, when it has been shown that that is not always the case.

There's your problem. And your blanket statement. What you call "feeling", others may call, "puttings words in their mouth". He said what he said, don't take a quote, and then rephrase it based on what you "felt" he was trying to say.

 

[dejo]

There's your problem. And your blanket statement.

Do you even understand what "blanket statement" means? Now, if I had said "Everybody feels", you might have a case.

By the way, what happens if you are a multi zune household. I assume you have to pay $15.00 per device. Thus, if all members of a family of 3 want to listen to the same song, is that going to be $45.00 a month? With itunes you can share that song among all players for the same $1.29. Even the ones with DRM can be shared on 5 computers x the number of devices connected to each of those libraries.

According to the Zune Pass FAQ:

You can listen to music downloaded from your Zune Pass account on up to three computers, and you can swap out one computer every 30 days.

 

[MegaDell]

Like, for example, music-subscription services. (Sorry, I couldn't resist)

No. By trying to sue torrent sites and get rid of limewire. They aren't going anywhere. Yea, they may have sued the pirate bay guys for a couple million dollars they don't have and never will, and sure, they may have sentenced them a year of jail time, but last I checked, the site was still up and running as if nothing had happened.

Honestly, I could go and download a ipod full of songs. I don't really care either way. Millions of people feel the exact same way. But I'm trying to go about it in a more legal manner. However at the same time, I'm not gonna skip paying the rent to listen to a couple albums.

 

[MegaDell]

Do you even understand what "blanket statement" means? Now, if I had said "Everybody feels", you might have a case.


According to the Zune Pass FAQ:

"I never see how options to consumers is a bad thing". Funny how when other people speak only for themselves, it's a blanket statement, but when YOU do it...

 

[dejo]

"I never see how options to consumers is a bad thing".

Never = blanket statement.

 

[MegaDell]

He's speaking for himself. I've never seen a reason to smoke cigs. What should he have said? Considering he's giving his own opinion on what he feels about himself? See how that works? Stop feeling for meanings in others peoples comments.

 

[dejo]

He's speaking for himself.

So, do you think that personal opinion can never be a blanket statement? If so, we have different definitions and we'll just have to agree to disagree. Have a nice day.

 

[PeterQVenkman]

Music subscription services have been around for quite some time now. Yes, not within the iPod/iTunes ecosystem, but if it was such a compelling draw, the majority of consumers would be willing to forgive some of the disadvantages; but music-subscription just haven't caught fire. I would be willing to admit I was wrong if they do. But I feel pretty safe that I won't have to do that. P.S. I'll leave the problems with comparing movies and music for another time.

I'm not trying to prove you wrong, because this is clearly a matter of taste/wants/needs in terms of music.

I'm just wondering why so many people can't see some positive side of the Zune Pass. It seems like Zune Pass is doing some things right where other services are stumbling. Including 10 downloads a month (most DRM free, I guess Sony is still being a pain, surprise) in with the cost seems like a great incentive for people on the fence.

Although adding this one choice isn't an example of it, too much choice actually has been shown to be a bad thing for consumers, as explained in Barry Schwartz' book "The Paradox of Choice: Why Less is More". You should avoid blanket statements like that.

I'll try to avoid blanket statements if people on this board can ease the tension a little. I had no idea my sentence would turn into the focus of the entire next page!

Really, it was just a quick post that doesn't need to be analyzed to that degree.

 

[crackbookpro]

I am going to have to go with dejo on this one...

But, all & all, let's get this thread back on topic.

 

[dejo]

I'm not trying to prove you wrong, because this is clearly a matter of taste/wants/needs in terms of music.

Agreed.

I'm just wondering why so many people can't see some positive side of the Zune Pass. It seems like Zune Pass is doing some things right where other services are stumbling. Including 10 downloads a month (most DRM free, I guess Sony is still being a pain, surprise) in with the cost seems like a great incentive for people on the fence.

As I've previously stated, Zune Pass is a great choice for some consumers. But I think the majority of consumers won't care and will stay away. 'Nuff said.

I'll try to avoid blanket statements if people on this board can ease the tension a little. I had no idea my sentence would turn into the focus of the entire next page!

Really, it was just a quick post that doesn't need to be analyzed to that degree.

My apologies for derailing the thread. It's just that too often I see the argument of "how can more choice be bad for consumers?" being made and I just feel that it needs to be responded to. And thank you for a mature response.

 

[MegaDell]

So, do you think that personal opinion can never be a blanket statement? If so, we have different definitions and we'll just have to agree to disagree. Have a nice day.

If you're gonna quote me, quote me. Don't chop out the parts you don't have an answer to.

 

[buxtone17]

I'm so sick of these Zune Pass threads...

Seriously. Who cares?

Some people would prefer to buy/own all of their music. Others are excited about the opportunity to listen to hundreds of new songs on a subscription based plan.

This "argument" is stupid because, in the end, it really comes down to preference. Buy or rent? Your choice. There's nothing inherently better about either service.

End.

 

[dejo]

If you're gonna quote me, quote me.

I only quoted the portion that was relevant to my question. This is proper etiquette so as to not confuse the issue of what a post is responding to. Until I get an answer to my question, there's no need for me to answer any of your other questions.

 

[OriginalFormula]

It would be nice, for some of us. I for one would love to just hit a button and be able to carry around with me whatever mix of tunes I wanted for a flat fee every month.

 

[Plutonius]

I'm so sick of these Zune Pass threads...

Seriously. Who cares?

Some people would prefer to buy/own all of their music. Others are excited about the opportunity to listen to hundreds of new songs on a subscription based plan.

This "argument" is stupid because, in the end, it really comes down to preference. Buy or rent? Your choice. There's nothing inherently better about either service.

End.

+1.....

Most reviewers agree that the Zune HD sounds better so just get a Zune HD if you like the Zune pass.

 

[metman787]

Here is the thing. Music today is not worth owning it changes so fast and so much it's just not worth it. I have downloaded illegally (don't do it anymore now that I have money) and know people who download illegally. Most people download illegally because, like I said owning music isn't worth it.

A renting service is good because after a couple months most people move on with there music. Idk zune pass sounds great and since you can own 10 songs it's not that bad.

I really wish there was a subscription service for movies on zune pass because it can output HD. Netflix has the right idea but with the ease of use with iPods and zunes I can see that service really taking off

 

[NT1440]

Here is the thing. Music today is not worth owning it changes so fast and so much it's just not worth it. I have downloaded illegally (don't do it anymore now that I have money) and know people who download illegally. Most people download illegally because, like I said owning music isn't worth it.

A renting service is good because after a couple months most people move on with there music. Idk zune pass sounds great and since you can own 10 songs it's not that bad.

I really wish there was a subscription service for movies on zune pass because it can output HD. Netflix has the right idea but with the ease of use with iPods and zunes I can see that service really taking off

What an oddly "this is my opinion therefore its everyones" sounding post.....