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And this is what it comes down to. For all Garmin is, if a user that even prefers some of the Garmin Watch features would still buy an Apple Watch, then Apple has just the right mix of features.
It's not that simple. They would also have to consider whether they wanted a micro iPhone on their wrist as opposed to an actual watch.
 
It is the more expensive device, although this is not to its advantage. It doesn’t look like a $1K watch. An AW Hermes version looks much more luxurious.
Well it is a $1000 watch. My Fenix 6 was $1400. It merits that price point because it's superior to apple watch. If apple made a true watch it would be a similar price point or like 2 grand for the base model. And probably ****ing start it with 16gb and charge $250 for more storage like they do with all their products
 
It is the more expensive device, although this is not to its advantage. It doesn’t look like a $1K watch. An AW Hermes version looks much more luxurious.
No way. The apple watch and the word "luxury" don't belong in the same sentence. If they did, it would only be because of the band, and perhaps a slight enhancement from apple on the metal frame. It is still fundamentally a micro iPhone. Still just a micro black square. Too much of a touch device/cell phone, and not enough of a watch.
 
This is subjective. Depends when you are buying them.
I have both the Fenix 7X SS and the AW7, they have never cost 4x more. There are pros and cons to both watches. I will say I’ve had my Fenix 7X since release and I have more scratches on the bezel of it then my AW7. MIP screens aren’t as good indoors but I’ve never had a problem seeing mine. However, in the sun the MIP is king.
 
Great post. When I was starting out running, I tried an Apple Watch and hated it. Battery life was horrendous - training for a marathon with one, forget it. All touch-screen is also crappy (in the winter, my sleeve would brush the screen and kill the run, and I need a physical "Lap" button for interval workouts and racing). Been with Garmin for years now, there really is no substitute. I've been watching for news on the AW Pro, as I really would like to have the best of both worlds, but I'm doubtful. To another poster's point, it would be trivial for Apple to make a version of their watch more tailored to the workout crowd; they already have a whole Apple Fitness platform, for crying out loud. The watches need to catch up. If this Pro is that watch, I will be first in line at the Apple Store!

I’m going for my 9th marathon in October and all of them with Apple Watches. They are amazing running buddies and the upcoming software update just makes it better.

No doubt for the run Garmin might be better focussed, but I think some of it might be addressed this September.
 
Well it is a $1000 watch. My Fenix 6 was $1400. It merits that price point because it's superior to apple watch. If apple made a true watch it would be a similar price point or like 2 grand for the base model. And probably ****ing start it with 16gb and charge $250 for more storage like they do with all their products
I never buy a watch to flash but if i like it i buy it. All the better. Mostöy for functions. Who wants to wear a watch you might get killed for? Where i live if you wear a patek it might be the last thing you do.
 
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Well it is a $1000 watch. My Fenix 6 was $1400. It merits that price point because it's superior to apple watch. If apple made a true watch it would be a similar price point or like 2 grand for the base model. And probably ****ing start it with 16gb and charge $250 for more storage like they do with all their products

I am not questioning Garmin’s capabilities as a sports watch. In that department it is better than the AW. But it doesn’t look like a $1K watch, it’s made of mostly plastic, with an appalling screen and user experience for anything other than sports activities. For anything else than sports activities it is a lesser watch/device/whatever-you-wanna-call-it. There’s a reason why it sells orders of magnitude less than the AW.
 
I have both the Fenix 7X SS and the AW7, they have never cost 4x more. There are pros and cons to both watches. I will say I’ve had my Fenix 7X since release and I have more scratches on the bezel of it then my AW7. MIP screens aren’t as good indoors but I’ve never had a problem seeing mine. However, in the sun the MIP is king.
I know it doesn't cost exactly 4X more if you want to nit pick. My point was it's (the fenix) the more valuable watch of the 2, even from the level of base model. You can't blame the garmin for all your scratches. You were only wearing one watch at a time. Maybe you were more clumsy with the garmin on. Not the watch's fault. It's a super tough watch. Stands a much better chance of not having its screen smashed too if it fell from a much higher height. If the AW fell off a high apartment building balcony, for example, you'll be calling apple support the next day. With the garmin, you'd be able to put it back on your wrist and continue on with your day. That AW glass or whatever it is will smash just like a good old iPhone screen because that's what it is....
 
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I never buy a watch to flash but if i like it i buy it. All the better. Mostöy for functions. Who wants to wear a watch you might get killed for? Where i live if you wear a patek it might be the last thing you do.
Definitely not an issue for me.
 
I had Garmin Fenix and few AWs so I know what I am talking about. Not sure if you understand aesthetics, design and luxury. But as long as you are happy with your watch, that’s all it matters. Have a nice day!
You said the garmin doesn't look like a $1K watch, has a horrible screen, mostly made of plastic, and no user experience. In my experience, the screen is fantastic, and the user experience is great. I see luxury every time I look down at my wrist with its sapphire glass, titanium frame and features. Hence why I said you don't know what you're talking about. You make it sound as though it's a cheap plastic device and it doesn't deserve that harsh criticism. It does everything I need it to do with minimal buttons pushed. You are bashing the fenix pretty hard.
 
I know it doesn't cost exactly 4X more if you want to nit pick. My point was it's (the fenix) the more valuable watch of the 2, even from the level of base model. You can't blame the garmin for all your scratches. You were only wearing one watch at a time. Maybe you were more clumsy with the garmin on. Not the watch's fault. It's a super tough watch. Stands a much better chance of not having its screen smashed too if it fell from a much higher height. If the AW fell off a high apartment building balcony, for example, you'll be calling apple support the next day. With the garmin, you'd be able to put it back on your wrist and continue on with your day. That AW glass or whatever it is will smash just like a good old iPhone screen because that's what it is....
Never said the AW was stronger. I have both so obviously like both of them. Maybe you are the one nit picking all the post in this thread?
 
I’m going for my 9th marathon in October and all of them with Apple Watches. They are amazing running buddies and the upcoming software update just makes it better.

No doubt for the run Garmin might be better focussed, but I think some of it might be addressed this September.
That’s awesome, congratulations! I’ve ran two marathons with Garmin and some half marathons with the AW. I used LTE to stream via Spotify during the HM and never had battery issues. What time are you putting in for the marathon?
 
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No, I didn't.
Ok. It just appears that you did.

Would I give up the Apple watch and switch exclusively to this Garmin Watch? Probably not.
And this is what it comes down to. For all Garmin is, if a user that even prefers some of the Garmin Watch features would still buy an Apple Watch, then Apple has just the right mix of features.
It's not that simple. They would also have to consider whether they wanted a micro iPhone on their wrist as opposed to an actual watch.
They’ve already said they wouldn’t give up the Apple Watch and switch. So, they would want an Apple Watch, also known as a micro iPhone, on their wrist. The Apple Watch has the right mix of features INCLUDING the one where it’s a micro iPhone. :)

"the garmin will always look like a workout device regardless of what band is on it."
???
 
Unless you buy the 1,000 Epix or the watered down Venu plus, you will be stuck with the MIP screen, which is very hard to read indoors. ALL of Garmin’s watches are stuck with this 2010 era screen, hence the long battery life.

Now you're clutching at straws with that disingenuous comment. The AW7 is hard to read indoors/ in the dark unless you use the always-on display (which each individual pixel is lit) or gesture based. Sitting here right now, in low light, my AW display is completely off - the very definition of hard to read.

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All MIPS display Garmin's have gesture based backlighting so reading it in low light/ complete darkness absolutely is not an issue and work in exactly the same gesture based way as AW. The big difference is the MIPS display is always on and incredibly readable during good lighting conditions and with incredibly low battery consumption.

Here's a pic of my Tactix Delta with MIPS display (since replaced with Epix 2), in low light, nil backlight and showing it's SpO2/ HR accuracy against 2 different, medical grade, $30k monitors. It's as readable as an AW always on display.

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And outdoors, in good sunlight, the Apple Watch just cannot compete with the MIPS display where no backlight is needed at all....which is useful for Garmin's target market - the outdoor enthusiast:

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