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Remy149

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Ironically this is the model I still own but I've been saving to finally replace it in December or January it didn't really feel slow until last year and unless I need to type long documents or do certain activities I mostly use my iOS devices for everything else
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The schools don't HAVE to buy them, you know. No one does. Apple kept it around because there was still demand for it. I'm pretty sure most people knew what they were getting (especially if it was an institutional purchase).

Your exactly right I bought mine at the end of 3013 because I couldn't justify buying a computer with such a small hard drive at such a premium but flash forward 3 years later I'm finally ready to get a retina mac and I store so few files on my computer now that I can live with a 256 hard drive. Music used to take up a majority of my storage on my laptop but with Apple music and match I manage my library differently I now feel comfortable keeping my files backed up on an external for emergencies and living 100% in the cloud
 

oldmacs

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Kind of dumb to buy them for the optical drive....For one if the school has a need for an optical drive they can share it over the network or use a USB one externally.

The school IT department needs to keep up with the better alternatives.

Not as easy as that. Schools bought them for many reasons besides the optical drive and Apple was greedy enough not to spec bump it.
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Horrible experience. ABOUT THE DAMN FREKING TIME.

They could have updated it and made it a non horrible experience. One of these with a SSD is one of the best Macs you could have as longs portability isn't your main requirement.
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Good riddance. I've always hated CDs, and memory cards too. Glad the new MBP doesn't have an SD slot, otherwise they might be around forever. Wireless is the future!

Many people still like to use SD cards and optical drives - can't see how it personally effected you for some people to continue using these.
 

Benjamin Frost

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I still regularly buy DVDs of films, because they are much cheaper than iTunes, especially second-hand ones. I burn them to my computer, and also burn CDs. I have a SuperDrive connected to my iMac, but I wish the iMac had an optical drive included. I couldn't care less about the thickness of the computer, as it sits on my desk and never moves.
 

bostero2

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Sep 9, 2016
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Screw the CD... Apple just stopped selling its last MacBook model with user upgradable RAM. They should have kept it at a much lower entry price... say like $700 or even less for a 4 yo computer...
 

EM2013

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Nah. I have the same one, slapped a 1TB SSD in it and it flies ... it will be an incredibly useful machine for years to come.
I'm going to do the same to mine. Except I couldn't loosen the screws off the cover so I'm taking it to the Apple Store to try and get them removed.
Then I'll add an ssd and some more ram.
 

JosephAW

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The is why my next "new" Mac laptop will be a slightly used 17" MacBook Pro with i7 CPU, 16GB RAM, 1TB SSD, MagSafe, and SuperDrive DVD.
What's next? No physical keyboard? No thank you.
 
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AntJon82

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Check out the Samsung EVO 850 SSD. Best value for its money, longest live and best speed in its category.

To copy the drive I used the Icy Box. Put the SSD into the box, cloned my HDD onto it, then swapped the drives, and put the HDD into the Icy Box and use it for backups now. :)

https://www.amazon.com/Raidsonic-ad...id=1477600109&sr=1-7-catcorr&keywords=icy+box

Here is an easy guide:

i have a 15 inch as a main macbook pro i need around 400gigs or lower
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The is why my next "new" Mac laptop will be a slightly used 17" MacBook Pro with i7 CPU, 16GB RAM, 1TB SSD, MagSafe, and SuperDrive DVD.
What's next? No physical keyboard? No thank you.
the 17 inchers are hard too find now at good prices
 
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Mac 128

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I'm going to do the same to mine. Except I couldn't loosen the screws off the cover so I'm taking it to the Apple Store to try and get them removed.
Then I'll add an ssd and some more ram.

I had the exact same problem, and had to get a larger handled screwdriver so I could apply enough pressure and put enough torque on it.

I wish I had known there were 16GB of RAM available for the 2012 MBP before I did it. I have 8GB now, so I have one more upgrade I can make to this MBP, and the way it's running now, I'm sure I will do it eventually.

I guess if I ever have a need to accommodate a USB-C device, I'll just have to buy a dongle for it.

But, I must admit, I'd be happier if this MBP were a little lighter.
 

EM2013

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I had the exact same problem, and had to get a larger handled screwdriver so I could apply enough pressure and put enough torque on it.

I wish I had known there were 16GB of RAM available for the 2012 MBP before I did it. I have 8GB now, so I have one more upgrade I can make to this MBP, and the way it's running now, I'm sure I will do it eventually.

I guess if I ever have a need to accommodate a USB-C device, I'll just have to buy a dongle for it.

But, I must admit, I'd be happier if this MBP were a little lighter.

I tried everything and I couldn't get those 3 screws off. I just gave up, hopefully apple can help. Curious to know how much they'll charge.

Mine still has 4GB of ram on it :p
 

PCtoMAC1

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I LOVE my mid 2012 MacBook Pro. I also upgraded the SSD myself and it's like a brand new machine. I'm sure Apple will force it out of upgrade with a new OS soon.

The prices on the new machines are silly. They LOVE making them so hard to upgrade now too. I'm also in the school of being frustrated with the removal of the headphone jack on the iPhone 7.

Things at Apple are moving in the wrong direction. Ive and Phil need to go. I know people will beat me to death for that comment, though I don't care. I really enjoyed Apple products because they were great, worked well and delivered what customers wanted. Today things are buggy, need 10 different adapters and they are pushing customers to change when it's not needed (don't give me the stupid CD ROM excuse).

My humble opinions.

Vote NO on 15!
- Revenge of the Nerds.
 

TheAppleFairy

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Not as easy as that. Schools bought them for many reasons besides the optical drive and Apple was greedy enough not to spec bump it.

Actually it is that easy, and bottom line is if that school needs to upgrade they can look at Apples current line up or go elsewhere. Technology changes sounds like some of you might still have an 8 track in your cars.
 

oldmacs

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Actually it is that easy, and bottom line is if that school needs to upgrade they can look at Apples current line up or go elsewhere. Technology changes sounds like some of you might still have an 8 track in your cars.

You've got no idea what you are talking about. Schools bought these for so many reasons. The upgradablity and repairable nature of these machines was one, the optical drive another (yes in the real world optical media is still used by many, so much so that DVD sales still exceed streaming service) amongst many other reasons. Not all technology changes are advancements, many are just changes - changes are not always a good thing.
 

TheAppleFairy

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You've got no idea what you are talking about. Schools bought these for so many reasons. The upgradablity and repairable nature of these machines was one, the optical drive another (yes in the real world optical media is still used by many, so much so that DVD sales still exceed streaming service) amongst many other reasons. Not all technology changes are advancements, many are just changes - changes are not always a good thing.


Oh please give me a break I know exactly what I am talking about. It doesn't matter what you think, next time the school life cycles their machines they will have to adapt, that is the bottom line. Either with the new Macs or a competitor's product. That is a fact, and like I have stated, there are ways to work around the changes. Just because you won't accept them doesn't mean it isn't true.
 

Strider64

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I bought an external USB CD Drive just to calm my father down, who is 89 years old. It's better to have a calm father than the one who is constantly yelling "There's no cd rom on my iMac!". :D
 

TheAppleFairy

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I bought an external USB CD Drive just to calm my father down, who is 89 years old. It's better to have a calm father than the one who is constantly yelling "There's no cd rom on my iMac!". :D


I remember when people were yelling "There's no floppy drive on my computer", it doesn't last long, but yes a USB drive helps through the transition.
 
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Return Zero

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Many people still like to use SD cards and optical drives - can't see how it personally effected you for some people to continue using these.

It doesn't affect me, and people can continue to use them if they wish. I'm only saying since the majority have moved on, it makes sense for them to remove it. The minority that really needs them can use adaptors and external drives (or older computers that still have them built-in), while the rest of us can enjoy the benefits of sleeker and lighter mobile devices!
 

bostero2

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I would have loved if Apple updated this computer removing the CD and giving it a second hard drive (make it SSD if you like), upgrading the processor to the latest version of i5. That way we could keep upgrading our machines... I'm typing this on my A1278 MacBook (Late 2008 Unibody), an 8 year old computer that after yesterday's event I decided it's going to keep going and maybe get upto 10 years... Hoping Apple gets their **** together with their MacBook Pro line the next time they do the upgrade.
 
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efktd

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You lying them down on the data surface side makes me cringe to no end.

they're CDs from the late 90s. ALL CDs from the late 90s have scratches on the "data surface" or music side as i probably called it.
 

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they're CDs from the late 90s. ALL CDs from the late 90s have scratches on the "data surface" or music side as i probably called it.
Dunno how "CDs have scratches" is justification for putting even more scratches on them. My parents do this with their CDs, DVDs, and Blu-rays and it makes me cringe to no end.
 
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oldmacs

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It doesn't affect me, and people can continue to use them if they wish. I'm only saying since the majority have moved on, it makes sense for them to remove it. The minority that really needs them can use adaptors and external drives (or older computers that still have them built-in), while the rest of us can enjoy the benefits of sleeker and lighter mobile devices!
I don't think the majority has moved on. My experience working in IT is the opposite. You can still enjoy your sleek computers if Apple has offered an updated non retina Pro.
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Oh please give me a break I know exactly what I am talking about. It doesn't matter what you think, next time the school life cycles their machines they will have to adapt, that is the bottom line. Either with the new Macs or a competitor's product. That is a fact, and like I have stated, there are ways to work around the changes. Just because you won't accept them doesn't mean it isn't true.
You have no bloody idea what you're taking about. Schools do not have endless budgets to throw at upgrading to larger SSDs as the base 128GB in most apple laptops is ridiculously low. Schools rely heavily on DVDs and software on CD - the budget is not there to move away. Re buying resources is a waste of money. Schools also don't have endless budgets for buying machines that can not be repaired when they break - battery replacements especially. Apple's only machine that was repairable, upgradable, had enough storage and had an optical drive.

No disgarement with your second part - Apple is going to loose a lot of education market share. I doubt either of the schools I do IT for will continue with Macs.
 
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TheAppleFairy

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You have no bloody idea what you're taking about. Schools do not have endless budgets to throw at upgrading to larger SSDs as the base 128GB in most apple laptops is ridiculously low. Schools rely heavily on DVDs and software on CD - the budget is not there to move away. Re buying resources is a waste of money. Schools also don't have endless budgets for buying machines that can not be repaired when they break - battery replacements especially. Apple's only machine that was repairable, upgradable, had enough storage and had an optical drive.

No disgarement with your second part - Apple is going to loose a lot of education market share. I doubt either of the schools I do IT for will continue with Macs.


Saying I have no idea what I am talking about doesn't make it true nor does it make you correct. I know exactly what I am talking about and if the school can't afford to upgrade their hard drive they have several options, one they can delay their lifecycle, two not allow personal stuff on work machines, or three go with a competitors laptop. If you deny those are valid options then you have no idea what you're talking about.

Please define "loose" a lot of education market share. Maybe start by looking up the definition of loose.
 
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