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It proves one fact: India is still as corrupt as hell!! It is doomed.
Really... which country isn't.. if you are thinking US is not.. good morning then...
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By the same token, maybe the American government should look after its people just like India does... and cancel all India work visas in the USA.
Haha.... if you cancel all that visa then who will work in tech industry.. also if u kick out Indians then there will be a HUGH impact on US economy... they spend $$, buy houses/cars, pay taxes... who will cover that.. you???
 
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Did I miss something? Did India declare war on Apple or something? Did the do it whilst punching a baby? Stomping on an iPad?
It's a fecking RETAIL STORE!

I know right... If and when it came to shortage of daily use commodities like food grains or other things, the government has been more than proactive and loosened the rules. This is phones and tablets we are talking about. There are plenty of good quality and much cheaper options available in India. The government has no reason to bend backwards to accommodate one company when all other companies have followed rules and successfully conducted business in India.
 
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Fact check!!!!! Please be accurate when you are on the forum. Such nonsense are your replies. What is your motivation for this?

First, you are making up lies about Apple products being extremely expensive - they are not extremely expensive in comparison to USA pricing:

Apple iPhone 6s (Space Grey, 16GB)
through Vodaphone India is
47699 Indian Rupee = $709.03 USD
(US price is from $649 USD)

Last time I checked, the Government of India, a democracy, has the say in who sets up shop in the land of India. It seems India doesn't want another "McDonalds" style corporation yet unless the "McDonalds" style corporation meets their requirements. That's fair.

You'll get your wish of an Apple Store in India soon, be patient, but it will be on India's terms, not yours. In the mean time you can buy your Apple products in India from third-party distributors: http://www.apple.com/in/iphone/buy/
Why does the government of India care about which store its citizens can buy an iPhone or iMac? In some ways, the real losers are the workers who would otherwise get to build the stores and who otherwise would work in them.
 
I always find it funny how no one bashes Google, Microsoft, Facebook, or any other companies for employing this strategy. If a company can save money, they will - the same way you or I do. I don't pay anymore taxes than what's legally required and don't expect them to either.

I find it funny that people compare paying only one's fair share, with trying to avoid paying anything at all.

Very few of us go crazy with a cadre of lawyers and accountants, setting up cleverly connected shell companies around the world to shuffle our income through :)

Clearly this policy has proven to work for India as it wallows at or near the bottom 3rd tier of world's poorest countries based on GDP per capita.

The policy hasn't been around that long. Takes time to get takers, and they've constantly relaxed the rules every few years. Some think they've gone too far that way, which is why the government is cracking down on Apple.

Getting an Apple Store is pretty meaningless. Everyone has already seen what happens when a big name retailer moves into an area. Quite often all the other related stores and suppliers fold.

Forcing the 30% requirement ensures that if foreign companies come in, they have to transfer technology and jobs to India, which benefits India. At best, that means investing in Indian factories. At the least, it forces those companies to invest in modernizing the supply chain.

It's win-win for India either way.
 
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The U.S. legalized corruption by the implementation of lobbyists. The people lost their voice, now money is the voice. Anything can be arranged in government with money. As an example... all the jobs going to China and India among other countries. They are blaming the illegal immigration but illegals can not even work at a Mac Donalds, you find them in construction or car washing or in kitchens at restaurants.

I have been in the U.S. for 15 years now and I see every single signal of the third world country I left behind, the difference is that the U.S. has money to cover everything up but this economy is so fragile and the mid class will pay for it. The other sad thing is that people will be protesting "over the internet"... how convenient. No wonder the government wants everybody to be on line, to be in that "tube". Passive voices.

The world is getting very ugly, things are going to implode and soon.
 
Really... which country isn't.. if you are thinking US is not.. good morning then...
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Haha.... if you cancel all that visa then who will work in tech industry.. also if u kick out Indians then there will be a HUGH impact on US economy... they spend $$, buy houses/cars, pay taxes... who will cover that.. you???

Agree with you Just cancel visas there will huge unemployment no need to talk about economy. Many people think that kicking out people having visas and working on jobs will solve all their problems that is not true.
 
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Really... which country isn't.. if you are thinking US is not.. good morning then...

There's corruption, and then there's widespread corruption.

Heck, in India there are hawkers who hang outside of Driver's License offices offering to get you one without a test or documentation, in exchange for money that they will partly share with the office managers.

Haha.... if you cancel all that visa then who will work in tech industry.. also if u kick out Indians then there will be a HUGH impact on US economy... they spend $$, buy houses/cars, pay taxes... who will cover that.. you???

The huge impact would be that all the American tech workers who were forced out because accountants ignorantly thought that three cheap inexperienced people were actually worth the same as one experienced person, can come back to their jobs at a decent wage.
 
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^This. I guess if they can't rise out of the third world on their own, they have to get leverage somehow..

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Things have changed alot in 4 years dude. please update
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There's corruption, and then there's widespread corruption.

Heck, in India there are hawkers who hang outside of Driver's License offices offering to get you one without a test or documentation, in exchange for money that they will partly share with the office managers.



The huge impact would be that all the American tech workers who were forced out because accountants ignorantly thought that three cheap inexperienced people were actually worth the same as one experienced person, can come back to their jobs at a decent wage.
Good joke Lol. Actually we can hire a person with H1b visa with 10 years of experience for the pay we give for an inexperienced non-h1b visa holder if we know to hire the right person.
 
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Every country have rules that protect their own citizens. Limiting the number of work visas in US - isn't that a form of protection for us Americans? India is doing the same for their own citizens. Grow up. If you want to do business in their country, live by their rules. Just how we expect foreign companies in US to abide by US's rules. Don't understand what's the big deal here.
 
Why does the government of India care about which store its citizens can buy an iPhone or iMac? In some ways, the real losers are the workers who would otherwise get to build the stores and who otherwise would work in them.

The government of India does not care about which store its citizen can buy an Apple Products. They simply does not.

They set a rule where if apple wants to open its Apple Store in India, they need 30% of products that is made in India.m

I don't think worker will loss anything they don't have. They aren't employeed by Apple in first place. You cannot be a loser if you don't loss anything. You can't lose anything if you don't have that thing first.
 
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Meanwhile, the service economy in the U.S. is as strong and growing as ever.

But again to my point, if India wants manufacturing jobs it should go out and compete for them just like other countries do, even individual U.S. states.

And yes, even with a smaller manufacturing base the U.S. remains one of the wealthiest by GDP nations on earth.

There is so much fail in this.

The service economy doesn't offer a way to the middle class.

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Good joke Lol. Actually we can hire a person with H1b visa with 10 years of experience for the pay we give for an inexperienced non-h1b visa holder if we know to hire the right person.

I think yours is a better joke :)

I'd love to run across someone like that. But out of hundreds, I have not. Many have made up claims in their resumes. "Oh yes, I know Javascript." Then it turns out they actually just had a class or two in Java instead. And still have no clue how to write a maintainable program.

Anyone who's actually really good, has already either gotten a high paying manager job in India which they don't want to leave... or they've given up, left India permanently and gone to work someplace like Singapore with a better quality of life and pay.
 
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I think yours is a better joke :)

I'd love to run across someone like that. But out of hundreds, I have not. Many have made up claims in their resumes. "Oh yes, I know Javascript." Then it turns out they actually just had a class or two in Java instead. And still have no clue how to write a maintainable program.

Anyone who's actually really good, has already either gotten a high paying manager job in India which they don't want to leave... or they've given up, left India permanently and gone to work someplace like Singapore with a better quality of life and pay.
i.e. why I said if we hire a right person. The fact you have mentioned happens with every programmer in any country including our own but still there are lot of good ones if we are able to choose or identify the right ones. If we are not able to choose the right people it is our mistake.
 
Seems a bit hypocritical for Apple/Tim Cook to make a big deal about condemning North Carolina HB2 while they make a huge push into expanding into India, a country that is substantially more anti-LGBT than anywhere in the US.
 
You are comparing Apples to Oranges.. The countries you named have tiny populations.. That is one thing India has not managed well.. And the government is not punishing its citizens or anything.. I don't know why you think so.. And stop throwing terms like socialistic around randomly. That's not what is happening in India at all..
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Not that... Only talking about standard of living for general population... :)

No, I'm talking about trade policy. Of course every country is unique, but there are plenty of small poor countries that can't feed itself too. So using population size is just as much of a red herring as age of country (though 70 years isn't young).

Yes, the government IS punishing its citizens with these policies because it limits competition which keeps prices artificially high and merchandise selection artificially low. The only class these policies benefit is the upper class that owns a business.

And I'm not (sic) "throwing around socialistic...." I was clear about my use of that term referring to India's socialistic past, as it is a tool of socialist governments. I didn't say India is a socialistic country.
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Oil reserves! India doesn't have any, the others do.

No, India doesn't have oil. But it does have some of the world's largest sources for:

1. Natural gas
2. Iron
3. Coal
4. Manganese

Diamonds, limestone, copper, & mineral oil are also in good supply.

If you do a check on any of the international commodity markets you'll see there is a good market for these natural resources.
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Getting an Apple Store is pretty meaningless. Everyone has already seen what happens when a big name retailer moves into an area. Quite often all the other related stores and suppliers fold.

Right, because they can't compete. My dad had small string of stores in rural areas. Walmart did him in. But long shot of it is the people in those towns had access to more product at lower prices and also more employment in the stores and also related.

I remember the world before Apple Stores. Computers were rarely in stock, getting a diagnosis on a broken machine took a day, no way to get free walk-in help with a simple questions years after the warranty expired. A lot of independents went out but it wasn't for naught. Apple Stores have greatly added to the whole ownership experience. I rarely buy there b/c I can find Apple products less elsewhere (again the whole competition thing) but it's great to be able to go in for service and even get my device or machine back or exchanged same day. Never happened pre-Apple Store.
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There is so much fail in this.

The service economy doesn't offer a way to the middle class.

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The fail is that you think this one graph showing productivity and wages in a vacuum explains something as complex as the service economy -- as if there were no outside factors affecting wages or that there should be a 1:1 ratio between productivity and income.

That said, the U.S ranks #8 in standard of living and every country above it is also a predominantly service economy -- Norway, Australia, Swiz., Denmark, Germany, Netherlands, Ireland.
 
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I find it funny that people compare paying only one's fair share, with trying to avoid paying anything at all.

Very few of us go crazy with a cadre of lawyers and accountants, setting up cleverly connected shell companies around the world to shuffle our income through :)

I am sure you would do the same thing if you were talking about billions of dollars yourself. Lawyers and accountants are pennies when you are talking about the billions they save the company.

Frankly, Apple (or any of the other companies that employ this strategy) would be failing at their job if they were not making the investors as much money as possible. That is their ultimate job as a corporation.

Please don't tell me how Apple just tries to create the best products possible. That is just a method to get to the end goal ($$$$).
 
And I'm not (sic) "throwing around socialistic...." I was clear about my use of that term referring to India's socialistic past, as it is a tool of socialist governments. I didn't say India is a socialistic country.

India, in its declaration of its Constitution at the time of independence said that it is a Secular, Socialist, Sovereign, Democratic Republic. That has not changed - it is still a Socialistic nation.

It does not shy away from the word or the concept of Socialism - it clearly distinguishes that from Communism. Communism is still a bad word in India, even though two of its states are/were ruled by Communist Parties at various times, including the present.

Without Socialism, even USA will not have the postal service, roadways, health insurance (esp., Medicare) or govt. retirement benefits (Social Security).

Nehru was a big fan of the USSR system, and tried to keep the country a single party nation - a concept his daughter carried to an extreme in the seventies.

Unlike the polished way of corruption, particularly bribery, in the USA, India's bribe system is not officially converted to the Lobby system, yet. Given time, its lawyers will too get there.

Unlike Pakistan and Israel, the extremes of religious states, it is a Secular nation somewhere in the correct side of middle - but, still very conservative.
 
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You are comparing Apples to Oranges.. The countries you named have tiny populations.. That is one thing India has not managed well.. And the government is not punishing its citizens or anything.. I don't know why you think so.. And stop throwing terms like socialistic around randomly. That's not what is happening in India at all..
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Not that... Only talking about standard of living for general population... :)
The standard of living that is borrowed to the hilt, like a. House built on quicksand foundations. Yep, still not a good place to be..
 
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Frankly, Apple (or any of the other companies that employ this strategy) would be failing at their job if they were not making the investors as much money as possible. That is their ultimate job as a corporation.

People keep repeating this, but it's not true. There's no such law.

In fact, some judges have ruled that bending over backwards to avoid taxes is definitely NOT a corporate requirement.

For that matter, neither is concentrating only on profits. Corporations also are supposed to take care of their customers AND employees, and in general support their neighborhoods by being a good citizen. And yes, be good to their stockholders too, but that used to be less important.

The sad thing is that we've apparently raised a generation or two of kids who really believe that greed is good. Unfortunately, they'll never know a world like we did, where our parents and their employers were loyal to each other for decades, and good pensions were the norm.
 
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