That’s such a small number of people it’s really not worth consideration. The vast majority of pros will tolerate a couple of extra wires to save thousands of dollars and have more flexibility over their setup.
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Apple Not Planning to Launch Larger-Screened iMac
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They don’t need another iMac. All they need is to allow a CTO option with M1Pro chip. That will cover a giant chunk of a larger iMac/iMac Pro base of people.
The max and ultra chips are crazy overkill for probably 70 percent of everyday graphics and video pros. Everyone else will be getting the mac studio and mac pro for what they need.
The max and ultra chips are crazy overkill for probably 70 percent of everyday graphics and video pros. Everyone else will be getting the mac studio and mac pro for what they need.
That $600 difference is between the full Pro with 16GB vs the binned Max at 32GB.
There is no way that Apple would have sold the unbinned Pro at that price.
Sure I did hope for a M1Pro-Mini at around 1600€ for the binned down base model. Which would have lasted me for 3 years and be replaced with a base M3Pro-Mini in 2025 and M5Pro-Mini in 2028.
Didn't happen, so I bought the base Studio at 2200€ which I expect to last me 6 years. Overall ownership in that time might be cheaper with the added benefit of having something overspecced for the first few years.
Could not agree more! I’m holding out for a mini LED larger imac - will wait another year if I have to
Screen sizes grow over time, so it stands to reason that the iMac 24" will eventually be replaced with an iMac 27" and that iMac 27" will have much smaller bezels and a much smaller chin than the Intel 27" iMac so people who just did not want the Intel model because it was so dominating on an open desk will embrace it like they embraced the 24" model.
Yeah but remember the higher end Mac mini is quite obviously still on Apples website as that is probably going to get a refresh also which will fill the gap between the M1 mini and Studio.
I expect the Mac mini is going to basically an iMac without the screen, the higher end Mac mini will likely fill the gap between the M1 mini and Studio… probably giving you the Pro chipset…
So overall you will have the following line up…
ALL IN ONE
iMac M1, M2, M3 etc…
TOWERS
Mac mini M1, M2, M3 etc…
Mac mini M1 Pro, M2 Pro, M3 Pro etc… (this will likely be refreshed with the M2 Pro rather than the M1 Pro as currently rumoured).
Mac Studio M1 Max/Ultra, M2 Max/Ultra, M3 Max/Ultra etc…
Mac Pro M1 Ultra (likely modular, upgradeable etc… coming later this year)
DISPLAYS
27” Studio Display
27” Pro Studio Display XDR (coming later this year)
Then eventually we may see a 32” Pro Display Super Retina XDR as Apples most high end display…
Side note: the reason why the higher end Mac mini hasn’t been refreshed as of yet is likely because that is what the majority of the market are waiting for (a tower with the Pro chipset), therefore, Apple have launched the studio first with the hopes people will pull the trigger on it, then they will launch the higher end mini later, so as not to cannibalise the Mac Studio sales.
I find this rather depressing. Apple seems to be pulling back from a market they could own. Apple could announce a 45" iMac tomorrow, and it wouldn't put a dent in their bottom line. They could just continue build to order on that large machine and have their supplier keep a certain number of screens in stock for immediate use. The rest of the system would be 'off the shelf' parts. The only thing keeping Apple from doing a 32" iMac is a mystery, but it would sell.
But how are sales for larger monitors? Just thinking about it, I see a few larger monitors, but so many end up using TV's as monitors, which could be a really odd solution. I'd think that TV's of today are a lot more usable as monitors, but how many people actually do it. I have a 32" Samsung TV hooked to some Raspberry Pis which works rather well, but I don't use every day, all day. I've used our living room TV for a display during meetings of a club I was active in. I think there IS a market for a larger iMac (larger than 27") but I guess have to plead ignorance as to the potential market. Is Apple right? (although dumping the 27" iMac is too soon)
A 30" iMac would not be lower than the 218ppi they are locked in on. So the premise is that a ~5.5K monitor would be around 30". they are not going to be a better monitor than the studio display in this new larger iMac for less than the $3600 it costs for studio m1max + display. I don't see how they justify that given that everyone would flock to the 30" iMac unless it were "just" an M2 with hobbled memory like the 24".
So Studio M1Max + Display $3600
M2? 8GB? ram iMac with 5.5K monitor for $2200? Not going to happen
That doesn't seem to line up with Apple philosophy
I think it comes down to this. By splitting up the iMac's CPU and display into two components in the Mac studio and studio display they get two full profits. By combining them they only get 1.2 to 1.5 "profits".
Buh bye large and capable iMac. You only get the hobbled 24" iMac moving forward
Buh bye large and capable iMac. You only get the hobbled 24" iMac moving forward
It’s the laptops that “appeal to the masses” though. Desktops appeal to an ever smaller percentage of people.
If all they’re using large iMacs for is client-facing meetings AND they’re using a bluetooth keyboard and mouse, first, that’s a very lightweight use case and the computers they have will suit their needs for awhile, still. If, for whatever reason, they want to replace that iMac with a new system that will be even MORE severely underutilized, since they’re connecting to bluetooth anyway they can mount a mini under the table and use the new 27” monitor on the table.
Then again, over the years, there have been an increasing number of markets that Apple doesn’t see fit to provide a product for. This could be one of them.
I would like to see a comprehensive list of products that Apple is not planning to launch.
Yeah, you don’t want that when in several months the M2 will be out and be more performant than that binned M1 Pro SoC.
my 2018 mac mini is doing fine and dandy so far with the monitor of my choice and i'd rather pick and choose a future display of my choice for it than be locked into a all in one - plus i can choose my own monitor size - though it would have been interesting to see a 32 inch imac - i wouldnt buy one though
Yes - and the $1999 Studio has the same binned Max - it's an extra $200 for the unbinned one.
So if you take $600 off the $1999 you get $1400 for a "full" Pro version.
If you take off another $300 for the binned Pro, you get down to the Intel i7 Mini price... which makes the Studio Max pricing almost consistent...
It's a rubbish way of estimating prices of hypothetical products - but it's all we've got. It's not like Intel where you can go and look up the recommended retail prices of the CPUs.
HobeSoundDarryl
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Much appreciate the opinion but there ARE other 5K 5120 X 2880 monitors for sale now. Do a search for 5120 x 2880 monitors. Apple doesn't own an exclusive on them.
And if its about counting vertical pixels to qualify, here's an 8K available now 7680 X 4320, albeit for even more money than this one from Apple... but also coming with a built in, versatile hub, a variety of commonly-used jacks, flexibility to link with non-Apple computers/consoles too (at the same time), BIGGER than 27", standard stand that can rise, tilt and already built-in VESA option for no extra money and no committing to only one of those up front and forever, and so on.
Dell branding makes anyone vomit? There's more 8K monitors coming soon from others... possibly/probably one from Apple too eventually.
Again, not putting down the Apple one at all. It's a GREAT offering from Apple. But no need pretending that it is the ONLY possible option for a monitor to pair with a Studio or Mini. It's not. There are PLENTY of other options. If we want to get very spec specific to rule out all other possibilities, we can rationalize only it as the ONE monitor choice. But again I'll offer: what if Studio had launched and Monitor did not? All of this whine/worry/spin would not exist. Buyers would be pairing it with:
- a separate monitor from some other company they already have (for no added cost),
- whine/worry/spinning the $6K one-and-only from Apple,
- trying to hook it to the long-since retired Apple monitors from a decade+ ago or
- getting whatever size/shape/res monitor they most desire from other monitor makers.
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Where it would bump right into BTO prices for the M1 Mini, hence I would have expected an binned M1Pro-Mini to start at a higher price.
Apple has 2 options, release various systems from Mini to MacPro where the BTO versions bump into the next bigger one (like with the 13" vs 14" MBP) or leave a gap.
On Monday that gap was between the M1 Mini and the Xeon MPro with only an obsolete and gimped IntelMini in between.
5K ultrawide isn't true "5K" though. It has the same vertical resolution as a 4k monitor, just wider.
Industry should have stuck with vertical resolution as everyone was on the same page: 480p, 720p, 1080p, then 2160p is called "4k" all of a sudden.
I doubt the M2 will be all-round faster than even the binned M1 Pro but it could certainly give it a run for its money, esp. on anything that doesn't multi-thread so well.
That said, "more cores vs. faster cores" is always going to be a bit apples+oranges and very dependent on what you are actually doing.
If there is a M2 Mini coming Real Soon Now it could explain the lack of a M1 Pro Mini. If the rumours of the M2 Pro having 12 CPU cores are true, the interesting upgrade debate is to be M2 Pro vs. M1 Max (more+better CPUs vs more+weaker GPUs) - but I doubt that M2 Pro/Max will be along for a while yet.
HobeSoundDarryl
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I suspect this is one great big pile of LIKELY sequence of events/products coming soon.
HobeSoundDarryl
macrumors G5
Yes, I understand... but if it's really going to be about vertical pixels, 8K monitors are available now with much greater than 2880 pixels.
And if we are going to try to rationalize extra pixels (ignoring other 5120 x 2880 monitors also available right now) to make this ONE monitor be the only possible choice for all, let's just go with:
- it has A13 inside
- it has Apple branding on it
- it has perfectly engineered Apple stands exclusively for it
- it will get me 3% back financed on Apple Pay
- and similar.