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Yeah, but that’s really about Chromebooks vs. iPads - and you’ll note that Apple still have a $330 basic iPad on the books.

Apple’s solution for education was definitely going to be the iPad - about 6 years ago some schools bought class sets of iPads, tablet-based curricula were all the rage - Apple had a big push in the US with deals with school districts, publishers etc. Then it got political and all went a bit pear shaped, lawyers at dawn etc. Last I looked it was still iPads vs. Chromebooks. Plus, in the last couple of years, it’s been whatever people had at home when the schools were closed, making cross-platform web apps the big thing. Frankly, I can see why people are going for Chromebooks - iPads are great until you need to type anything longer than a tweet.
My kid’s school gives them all iPads to use at home and in class.
 
Maybe it gets announced along with the Mac Pro, as the new 27” “pro” monitor

That is the only thing I can think of, to be honest.

I think Apple is nuts to announce it so close after launching the Apple Studio Display, but Young so far has a 100% hit rate when it comes to display leaks and he says it is coming "real soon now".

(He has recently noted that his sources are in the panel side of the chain, so they do not always know what product the panels are going into to explain the "it's a display. No it's an iMac. No it's a display again" rumors.)
 
The current offering makes much more sense. They earn more money with the Mac Studio and Studio Display.

And consumers don’t have to throw out a perfectly fine screen once their Mac is EOL.

My 2015 27 inch iMac is unbearably slow since last years macOS update. But the screen is perfectly fine. No easy way to update though, unless I open the thing and tamper with it myself.
A Mac Studio (1,999 minimum) + a Studio Display ($1,599 minimum) + the mouse/keyboard (~$250-$350) could put you close to double the cost of the 27 inch iMac setup. I see the Mac Studio aimed at an entirely different demographic.
 
A Mac Studio (1,999 minimum) + a Studio Display ($1,599 minimum) + the mouse/keyboard (~$250-$350) could put you close to double the cost of the 27 inch iMac setup. I see the Mac Studio aimed at an entirely different demographic.
but a lot of folks already have the mouse/keyboard from their imac (or other computer). A smaller percent already have a monitor. And nobody forces you to buy the studio display. Even if you need that quality the LG will save you a few hundred. And whatever monitor you buy will work on the next computer you buy in a few years.
 
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Why do we need a "rumor" for this?? Apple already told us this at the Apple Studio release. The lineup is:
Mac Mini, 24" iMac, Mac Studio, Mac Pro.
Why would anyone expect something else?
 
I find it hard to believe that Apple’s end goal for the iMac product line is just one single product. A 27 inch iMac powered by an M1 Max would sell.
They just released such a product: Mac Studio + 27" Studio Display. It's not all-in-one, but that's all there will be. No 27" iMac is coming.
 
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I can believe that maybe its not possible for them to fit in a cooling solution that's satisfactory in a thin iMac enclosure for the M1 Max or M1 Ultra. Especially as these chips will only get more and more powerful as the years go by.

That being said, they NEED to have an M1 Pro desktop solution. Whether that be in the Mac mini or 24" iMac. Because right now you have "consumer" devices and industry-grade "pro" devices with a $1000+ price gap. You could just say "get the Mac Studio" but there's a lot of industries where that power is probably overkill and its hard to justify paying extra for power you wont use. M1 Pro is definitely the sweet spot.
throw the M1 Pro in a Mac mini upgrade. BYO monitor for budgets, Apple Display for spendthrifts.
 
Right, because it would have been extremely valuable to accommodate the headphone jack on the back rather than on the side ?

I'm glad you're not on Apple's product design team.
er, audio in/out is for amps and mixers, not just headphones. who wants that sticking out the side of your display? not me.
 
Why do we need a "rumor" for this?? Apple already told us this at the Apple Studio release. The lineup is:
Mac Mini, 24" iMac, Mac Studio, Mac Pro.
Why would anyone expect something else?
Well, just before the first Apple Silicon system was released all Apple’s documentation indicated no discrete GPU’s in Apple Silicon systems. Ever since then people have been describing esoteric ways how the NEXT system Apple releases would HAVE to have discrete GPU’s. Folks expect what they want to see and there’s little that reality can do to change that. :)
 
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I personally don't see what an iMac has to offer over a Mac Mini / Mac Studio + external display solution, but people still seem to love the iMac.
Lower entry-price I expect.

The base Mac Studio plus the new screen is $3600, which is a quite a lot more than many iMac 27 configurations, even if the M1 Max Studio is considerably more powerful.

There is also a large gap between the M1 iMac 24 and the Mac Studio + Apple screen in both price and performance.
 
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A 32" iMac Pro make sense = Pro Display XDR Screen + Mac Studio Internals. The next level is M1 Mac Pro + Studio Display Pro (The successor to the Pro Display XDR).

A Studio Display Pro with better than Pro Display XDR screen (more Mini-LED zones and maybe bump to 8-9K) + a high Quality Web Camera would absolutely selll.

Selfishly, and knowing full week it's unlikely, I hope Apple releases a Pro Display XDR Ultrawide. That's take-my-money for a variety of productive people (especially creative professionals) to have 6K/8K at a 21:9 aspect ratio.
 
I used to use my hd tv with my minis before I got my iMac 27 , tbh I think I’ll go back to that now I’ve got a 4K tv using a studio instead . Problem I’ve had with several aio iMacs is the screen going kaput before the Mac inside does …
 
Yeah, but a lot of of those complaints are along the lines of “Apple should release a new Intel Mac with 8 slots, NVidia graphics, include a monitor AND it should ship with Windows installed for $75. $100 would just be Apple being greedy again”. Not much material for Apple to work with in the end :)
Oh definitely!

I suppose every huge company scans Internet forums and reviews to have a view on consumers' opinions and on their reputation. It's much like a free market research.
 
If one "just wants a larger screen", there are plenty of options other than the Apple Studio Display.

I highly doubt anyone walking into an Apple Store and buying a "consumer Mac" (Mini, Air, 13.3" MBP) also purchased a Pro Display XDR and and effectively no-one walked out with an UltraFine 5K or 4K. They either had a monitor they already intended to use with their new Mac or had one on the way from Amazon.
Yes.

The Mac Mini starts at $699 and the Studio Display at $1599. The accessory costs more than double, which is a huge disincentive for customers.

It strikes me that Apple leaves these customers unattended and left to other companies. I mean, there is an unexplored market here and Apple has simply been ignoring it for years.

It seems to me that Apple is playing extremely safe in terms of pricing and intentionally leaving a huge chunk of the market, something that is only possible because its iPhone division is so huge and profitable that it can afford to test the waters for years or decades in all other areas.
I understand a lot of us on this forum are "power users", but sometimes I think there is just a collective bias present that anything "entry level" is by definition "garbage" and while that can be true in the PC world with sub-$500 PCs using years-old parts with the minimum support configurations of RAM and storage to boot Windows, it is most certainly not the case in the current Apple silicon Mac lineup.

The M1 Mac mini and MacBook Air are not "garbage" no are they "poor performers" or "bad". Apple sells more MacBook Airs then anything else in the line-up and it is not just because it is "only" $1000 because $1000 is still a fair bit of cash. There are plenty of prosumers and actual professionals who make a good living with their MacBook Airs. They don't need 10 CPU cores or 16/32 GPU cores or 32GB/64GB of RAM or 4TB/8TB of SSD to do their paying occupation.

It is most certainly not the case if you choose to make a living with a Mac, you must have a MacBook Pro or Mac Studio with M1 Max and 32GB of RAM. You might need that (or even more) depending on how you make your living with a Mac, but it is not the "entry-level" configuration.

And people did not need to have a 27" iMac with BTO options to make a living with a Mac in the Intel era. Multiples more people did it on 13.3" or 15.4" MacBook Pros and a fair number of those folks traded those in for M1 MacBook Airs and 13.3" M1 MacBook Pros because it actually did the work faster. And then when the M1 Pro and M1 Max arrived on the MacBook Pro, I am sure a fair number of them upgraded, but a fair number of them didn't because their M1 MacBook Airs and Pros were still perfectly acceptable for their work.

My 27" Intel iMac is my work computer and is how I make a living. It bites that we don't have a 27" Apple silicon iMac with M1 Pro. I myself was waiting for one and a base Mac Studio is overkill for what I need in terms of SoC and RAM so I have no intention of buying one even though I can afford it. My most-likely option would be buy the Apple Studio Display Pro (when it comes out at WWDC) and pair it with my M1 Pro MacBook Pro 14" in clamshell mode because my MBP is just as effective as my 27" iMac at making a living and I want to stay with a Retina-quality display.
Yes, I agree. In fact, $999 is a lot of money for a laptop. Most laptops sold worldwide cost less than that.

A Mac Mini or a MacBook Air is powerful enough for most people. I mean, how many people would need the power of a MacBook Pro or a Mac Studio?

I see some people who intend to buy a MacBook Pro or a Mac Studio just to have a future-proof computer because they do not need all this power. This caution is perhaps unnecessary. The cost of computers goes down with time, and future-proofing so much is not really necessary. If a Mac Mini costs $699 and will last 2 years, it is $350 per year. If a Mac Studio costs $1999 and will last 5 years, it is more expensive in the long run: $400 a year.
This.

Apple wants $1600 for the Apple Studio Display alone. To then believe that Apple would only charge $200 more to put an M1, 8GB of RAM and a 256GB SSD in it so as to match the price and configuration of the base Intel iMac 5K...
This was definitely the big hidden price hike here.
Yes, if “success” is “replacing the PC”, then it’s a failure. But, then again, Apple’s been failing for years now with the Mac. :) I wouldn’t say it’s an unfair comparison because all those hundreds of millions of iPad sales aren’t in a vacuum. Many came from people that may have otherwise purchased an Android, Windows or Mac system.
Yes, that is what I said.

As businesses, the iPad and Mac lines are successful. The Mac line was not originally successful, but it eventually became after the introduction of the iMac.

Now, both of them fell short as platforms. Sure, they can hold their own as platforms. But they are not close to replacing the PC.
 
I really hope there will be an affordable iMac with a larger screen in the future. 24 inch is too small and in my opinion a downgrade. I don't care about processing power or GPU and all that jazz. What I need is a big screen and an adequate amount of SSD storage and RAM. Also, the 24 inch model is quite lacking when it comes to ports. And no, I'm not spending 4000+ EUR for the Studio Mac + Display.
 
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Yes, that is what I said.

As businesses, the iPad and Mac lines are successful. The Mac line was not originally successful, but it eventually became after the introduction of the iMac.
Eventually became what, successful? Then, how do we get from the first Macintosh to today if the first Macintosh wasn’t successful? It wasn’t replacing the PC previously and it’s not replacing the PC now. I had thought we were on the same page about the Mac being a failure at replacing a PC, but now I’m not so sure.
 
This is curious for two reasons. First, Apple's store still lists "iMac 24"...
Great point. As they've discontinued the older 27" model, there's no reason to include the size as a differentiator on their site. Even the packaging simply says "iMac", no mention of sizing. Knowing their penchant for minimalism, they could've quietly trimmed the 27" from the name last week, but it's still there. My (wishful) thinking is they do release a larger iMac within a year, their reason for delay to give the Studio a chance to catch on. I can't knock them for mixing up their lineup a bit, I just remember their all-in-one package being more competitively priced for consumers rather than pairing a machine with a (now) $1,600 monitor so I'm holding out.
 
Eventually became what, successful? Then, how do we get from the first Macintosh to today if the first Macintosh wasn’t successful? It wasn’t replacing the PC previously and it’s not replacing the PC now. I had thought we were on the same page about the Mac being a failure at replacing a PC, but now I’m not so sure.
In fact, from all I have read, the Macintosh was very successful at the beginning, but then sales declined. The computer was very compelling but also underpowered for its price. The Macintosh eventually made its way into creative professionals. Apple's main business was still the Apple II.

At the time the original Macintosh launched, there were several competitors in the computing arena. IBM, Apple, Commodore, Microsoft. There was a brave new world to be conquered, so the Macintosh might have a shot at becoming the world's most popular system.

But then again, I was a 3-year old living in Brazil when the Macintosh launched, so all I know about it is what I have read.
 
Well, I do not need a Mac. I prefer Windows over macOS, I prefer Edge over Safari, and I much prefer the Windows version of Office over the Mac version or iWork. What attracts me is Apple's hardware, not software. I like the quality of the iMac screen. I like the fact that it is beautiful, elegant, and convenient.

I am not going to buy a Mac Mini with a third-party monitor. If I am buying a third-party monitor, I will buy a PC instead. And, if Apple is forcing me to spend much more money to buy similar (although upgraded) hardware, then I will buy a PC as well.
PC's are gross, dude.
 
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That’s a good point but it’s a concern because it seems like more people are opting for Chromebooks, especially schools. And education used to be one of Apple’s strongholds
That’s because of Google Classroom and that all the crappy education software they use is web based anyway.
 
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Yeah, but that’s really about Chromebooks vs. iPads - and you’ll note that Apple still have a $330 basic iPad on the books.

Apple’s solution for education was definitely going to be the iPad - about 6 years ago some schools bought class sets of iPads, tablet-based curricula were all the rage - Apple had a big push in the US with deals with school districts, publishers etc. Then it got political and all went a bit pear shaped, lawyers at dawn etc. Last I looked it was still iPads vs. Chromebooks. Plus, in the last couple of years, it’s been whatever people had at home when the schools were closed, making cross-platform web apps the big thing. Frankly, I can see why people are going for Chromebooks - iPads are great until you need to type anything longer than a tweet.
We can do pretty much do everything on the iPad that the schools use the chromebooks for. The chromebook just makes login smoother.
 
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