Apple Notifying Customers Using Older Pro Apps About Incompatibilities With macOS High Sierra

[CmdrLaForge]

That is good to know. I am still running FCPX 10.2.2 . So no upgrade for me.
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I have no issue with Audio pro apps or Video.. since I love the newer incarnations. As for Photos.. if Aperture stopped working, I stop upgrading. Nuff Said. Can we all agree to Tweet @tim_cook about #Aperture?

Same for me. If Aperture would stop working any update is out of the question.

 

[joelypolly]

As a former Aperture user, I am mostly fine with Photos app's photo editing capabilities, especially now that High Sierra allows third party integration (at least with Pixelmator and Photoshop).

But I really miss Aperture's much more powerful organization tools that can filter, sort, and search by just about any meta data.

I know it's not really a replacement but photos with its AI in photo classification is pretty damn good. I was able to find photos of bottles just by searching the word

 

[kissmo]

What am I missing??
Do people understand what actually PRO- Users mean?

To me, pro users are the ones using the tools for a business that generate money.
They reinvest in newer tools and technology.

Businesses pay for the tools. Period.

Those of you who have a job - please tell me - does your company still use Windows 95 on your daily PC or Mac os 9?
Common guys.... Seriously.

 

[MH01]

Some may say disgraceful and greedy.

They have legitimate reasons. Don't update if you don't want to lose use.
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Lol.

If you rely on pro apps, you should never update to a new OS , not until it's 4-5 patches on and stable.

 

[JamesPDX]

Logic Pro X is infinitely better anyway. And dirt cheap for what you get. I love it.

Now all they need to do is increase the polyphony in the EXS from 64 to unlimited. It's 2017.

As great as Logic X is, there is still nothing like editing in Pro Tools. But there is a price for that ease.

 

[thekeyring]

Apple treats its Pro customers like DIRT and that's why many have already switched to Winblows out of disgust.

When I bought my 1st Mac Pro, I had Final Cut Pro, Compression, Motion, and Logic Pro installed with Mavericks.

All incompatible with Yosemite update. They all still work if I boot Mavericks. But Apple forced Pro customers to pay a "Yosemite price" and re-pay for all the apps. This kind of stuff leads to people leaving the platform.

Pro apps like Trapcode Particular make you pay hundreds to upgrade to the newest version. It's not the biggest deal for actual professional companies (and not just freelancers / 1 man teams).

 

[vmachiel]

Apple treats its Pro customers like DIRT and that's why many have already switched to Winblows out of disgust.

When I bought my 1st Mac Pro, I had Final Cut Pro, Compression, Motion, and Logic Pro installed with Mavericks.

All incompatible with Yosemite update. They all still work if I boot Mavericks. But Apple forced Pro customers to pay a "Yosemite price" and re-pay for all the apps. This kind of stuff leads to people leaving the platform.

Pro apps on other platforms also want either a subscription or a new purchase every now and then.

 

[Parystec]

would be nice if apple offered a discount to registers users of Final Cut Pro to upgrade the software !!!

 

[Winni]

How exactly does Apple know who is using those apps? It gathers what is supposed to be completely anonymized usage data, which would tell them how many people are using these apps, but not who.

If they used any user-submitted analytics data, they're in clear violation of their own privacy policy.

Huh? I'm pretty sure they keep copies of the invoices they sent to customers...
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Pro apps on other platforms also want either a subscription or a new purchase every now and then.

Only that those other platforms care A LOT about backwards compatibility...

 

[Aetles]

I'd really like to know if Aperture works reliable in High Sierra, it's a showstopper for me. There's just no software available that is equal or better that Aperture in the areas where Aperture shines, even though it's been ages since Apple stopped developing it (long before they discontinued it).

Lightroom was ahead of Aperture long ago in some areas, but Aperture's strength is organisation and library handling. And then we have the subscription model that made Adobe lazy when it comes to pushing Lightroom forward, since the customers is paying anyway:

My number one wish is that Apple swallow it's pride and starts developing a real pro photo software again. That won't happen though, so right now I'm just holding out for Affinity to come around. I've been super impressed with Affinity Photo and Designer, so maybe they could make a worthy Aperture replacement.

 

[Chancha]

What am I missing??
Do people understand what actually PRO- Users mean?

To me, pro users are the ones using the tools for a business that generate money.
They reinvest in newer tools and technology.

Businesses pay for the tools. Period.

Those of you who have a job - please tell me - does your company still use Windows 95 on your daily PC or Mac os 9?
Common guys.... Seriously.

Your assessment made an assumption that a newer piece of software, or a newer version, is inherently superior than the older one for a given professional scenario; the reality is that this is often not the case, especially when vendors have their own agenda or limited resources to focus on a narrow industry trend that drifts away from what it originally offered.

Apple's case of Photos.app "replacing" Aperture is a clear counter example.
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I'd really like to know if Aperture works reliable in High Sierra, it's a showstopper for me. There's just no software available that is equal or better that Aperture in the areas where Aperture shines, even though it's been ages since Apple stopped developing it (long before they discontinued it).

Lightroom was ahead of Aperture long ago in some areas, but Aperture's strength is organisation and library handling. And then we have the subscription model that made Adobe lazy when it comes to pushing Lightroom forward, since the customers is paying anyway:

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My number one wish is that Apple swallow it's pride and starts developing a real pro photo software again. That won't happen though, so right now I'm just holding out for Affinity to come around. I've been super impressed with Affinity Photo and Designer, so maybe they could make a worthy Aperture replacement.

I am rather positive that Apple would never look back at Aperture, they clearly have a vision surrounding image manipulation but it probably surrounds much more on automation, AI with face recognition and lately machine learning, some form of cloud sharing, and probably later onto AR. The "old fashion" film roll dark room approach with a lot of user interaction is ultimately not what they are after, or even what they prefer to see, they would be much happier to see iPhone shooters than DSLR shooters I am sure.

Therefore the battle in DAM and RAW editing is shifted outwards, probably cross platform also, with likes of Affinity and Capture One et al vs Adobe. Those challengers have shown they are quite focused and aggressive in taking advantage of newer tech, I am hoping to see much more from them down the road, if not also from Adobe.

 

[Cineplex]

A bunch of nonsense about Lightroom. Why do people say stuff like this with absolutely nothing to back up their statement? Lightroom is solid and has been for years. Project Nimbus is not a replacement for Lightroom and they've said as much. More like Lightroom for iOS.

Oh please. I use Lightroom daily and it is a slow bloated mess. When your library has over 10,000 photos it's painful to use. Aperture was better at handling previews, image rendering, and organizational tasks. It didn't wast my time constantly redrawing previews. I hate Lightroom with a passion.

 

[Aetles]

I am rather positive that Apple would never look back at Aperture, they clearly have a vision surrounding image manipulation but it probably surrounds much more on automation, AI with face recognition and lately machine learning, some form of cloud sharing, and probably later onto AR. The "old fashion" film roll dark room approach with a lot of user interaction is ultimately not what they are after, or even what they prefer to see, they would be much happier to see iPhone shooters than DSLR shooters I am sure.

Therefore the battle in DAM and RAW editing is shifted outwards, probably cross platform also, with likes of Affinity and Capture One et al vs Adobe. Those challengers have shown they are quite focused and aggressive in taking advantage of newer tech, I am hoping to see much more from them down the road, if not also from Adobe.

Yeah, I don't think Apple is coming back to professional DAM, but it is so frustration when the had the best software for this kind of task. They just didn't have to give up on it.

 

[shaunp]

Just a thought for those of you running Aperture who possibly don't want to go down the Lightroom route, have a look at darktable.
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Oh please. I use Lightroom daily and it is a slow bloated mess. When your library has over 10,000 photos it's painful to use. Aperture was better at handling previews, image rendering, and organizational tasks. It didn't wast my time constantly redrawing previews. I hate Lightroom with a passion.

This is why I use the OS to organise my photo's now and use PhotoMechanic to do my import and culling before I then import into LR. I'm thinking of not bothering with LR any longer because of the performance issues and just running PS for my edits. I'm also considering Darktable too, just need to test the print module.

 

[Aetles]

A bunch of nonsense about Lightroom. Why do people say stuff like this with absolutely nothing to back up their statement? Lightroom is solid and has been for years.

Such an ignorant comment. First complaining about people not backing up their opinions and then make a statement without absolutely nothing to back it up yourself.

Don't you understand that different people have different needs, and that different software have different strengths? Lightroom hade been ahead of Aperture in certain areas for years (better image quality of RAW conversion and adjustment is no small feature), but still is not as effective as Aperture in other areas. If you want more info backing this up, there's this article from an Aperture user trying Lightroom. It's a couple of years old, but it still highlight some of the irks that makes some of us appreciate Aperture.

Also: even if Lightroom (or any other tool) was better that Aperture in every aspect, there still the issue of migration path. A lot of Aperture users have invested heavily in time and effort to enter metadata, make adjustments and organize their photos. If you can't migrate these adjustments etc then the effort has been in vain.

 

[Lesser Evets]

I wonder how OS X High Sierra will NOT-work with other programs of old, which are still quite useful with Sierra...

Like Adobe CS2-4, etc.

 

[Amazing Iceman]

I really hope they don't completely pull the plug on Aperture. It's been definitely acting up on these High Sierra betas. But Photos alone just doesn't cut it, no matter what they say. And Lightroom is just another bag of troubles, and apparently Adobe agrees since they're developing Project Nimbus.

Aperture with updated UI, like Final Cut X, would be like a step into heaven.

I would be happy if Photos was capable of opening multiple libraries simultaneously. Photos is supposed to become the new Aperture over time, but it's taking a very long time.
Plugin support was quiet an improvement, and Machine Learning is amazing. It will get there over time.

I do miss Aperture; it's not easy to change your workflow once you are used to it.

 

[ginkobiloba]

I appreciate the email from Apple. I'd hate to install High Sierra, fire up one of my Pro apps, and fail.

Also, can I take a moment and mourn the loss of Aperture?

I'm with you. Still mourning Aperture, haven't found anything as elegant and clean.
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My number one wish is that Apple swallow it's pride and starts developing a real pro photo software again. That won't happen though, so right now I'm just holding out for Affinity to come around. I've been super impressed with Affinity Photo and Designer, so maybe they could make a worthy Aperture replacement.

Serif ( Affinity ) said that they are working on an Aperture/lightroom like software, but that we shouldn't expect anything before end 2018.....

 

[12applesadozen]

I liked Aperture too (and have kept it for the Lightbox), thus I noticed all the mourners in this thread, but, be of good cheer. I switched to Lightroom (because when Apple says something is dead, it's dead...and as the new features talked about for Photo, that's where all the energy and innovation is going) -- So be of good cheer because Lightroom handles organizing your photos second to none, it's metadata and filtering and flagging and keywording to the max; Aperture never came close. -- Also there is some advantage to be able to leave your photos in folders on your disk and not have to have all photos in Aperture's unique file format and library. Anyhow...it's cheap enough to try.

 

[chrono1081]

What am I missing??
Do people understand what actually PRO- Users mean?

To me, pro users are the ones using the tools for a business that generate money.
They reinvest in newer tools and technology.

Businesses pay for the tools. Period.

Those of you who have a job - please tell me - does your company still use Windows 95 on your daily PC or Mac os 9?
Common guys.... Seriously.

In this sub "pro" means "I want to look like I do it for a living and I'll pretend that I can't adapt to changing software because my workflow is so refined that it'll be impossible to change."
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would be nice if apple offered a discount to registers users of Final Cut Pro to upgrade the software !!!

The last release of the software was almost a decade ago, why would they offer discounts to people upgrading from ancient software? If you didn't upgrade by now it's on you.

 

[shaunp]

A bunch of nonsense about Lightroom. Why do people say stuff like this with absolutely nothing to back up their statement? Lightroom is solid and has been for years. Project Nimbus is not a replacement for Lightroom and they've said as much. More like Lightroom for iOS.

Lightroom is not solid. It is slow no matter what hardware you throw at it - building 1:1 previews takes forever, even on a 6-core CPU, 128GB RAM and all SSD storage, yet the CPU, RAM and disk are barely been touched from a performance standpoint. it also frequently crashes with GPU acceleration installed. I've now moved to PhotoMechanic to import, organise, tag and cull photos as it generates 1:1 previews instantly even on low-end hardware. There's no way I could use Lightroom as my main tool to import and organise photos as I'd never meet any deadlines. The only thing I find it useful for is the print module.

 

[Porco]

Apple's pricing on their Pro apps is really very very good when you look at what it used to be when it came on a gazillion DVDs. I'd far prefer to have to buy a new version every once in a while, at *my* convenience, or when *I* choose to update the OS, than be locked into subscription/rental hell where money leaves my account regardless of whether any improvements are made beyond the ability to launch the app. And in the case of Logic Pro, for example, I am totally happy to pay what they want, because it's great.

Other than that, I agree with those saying it's good Apple gave people advance warning of this (there would be lots of complaining if they didn't - only fair they get some credit for doing it).

Also it should go without saying, but bears repeating, that if you rely on any software professionally you should not only be cautious when upgrading your OS, but make sure you have multiple backups of your system in place just in case a vital app doesn't work, or any one of numerous other unpleasant surprises that can happen.

Yes it's responsible and laudable of developers to give customers' advance notice (perhaps particularly Apple when they write both their OS and their apps), but ultimately it's up to the user to make sure their equipment is going to continue working and have a contingency in place for if it doesn't.

 

[qube_TA]

It's nice they let you know that they aren't supporting some of their older apps, more of a worry for me was that I tested High Sierra on a machine to see how the new FS would help with disc IO performance in Logic X, whilst it was certainly impressive what was a concern was that about 40% of my plugins don't register now. Never had so much break with a new OS. They all work in Ableton as VST's but as is it's not viable as a lot of those plugins either take a very long time to get an update or just get ignored. Hopefully the release version will have better compatibility.

 

[Iconoclysm]

If you rely on pro apps, you should never update to a new OS , not until it's 4-5 patches on and stable.

Can you really call this a new OS? Things are very complicated these days, what used to be a "new OS" is now just a new UI, or some extended features. Even Windows has been riding on the same kernel for the past three or four OS's.

 

[weup togo]

Our records show that you may be using applications included in Logic Studio.

For me, I registered my final cut studio products and i’m guessing apps purchased through the app store they can look at your apple account and purchase history

Huh? I'm pretty sure they keep copies of the invoices they sent to customers...

You might be correct, but that would be pretty un-Apple-marketing to email every single Logic Studio customer about compatibility problems. They never want anyone to think anything bad could ever happen.