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WebKit is up to date. What Google is doing is introducing things that do not meet web standards and using their market position to try and force them to be de-facto standards. The EU is making this worse because they are rent-seeking morons who don't know the difference between their head and a hole in the ground.
Exactly. Google is big enough to basically say "our way is the new way". And the EU basically just gave them the green light to keep doing it. There's probably going to be a giant party at Googleplex this weekend!
 
How is it great news for consumers if most are using rubbish Chromium. Edge and Chrome are resource hogs. Watch battery drain go up. If anything it has opened iOS and iPadOs up to more intrusion.
I'm leaning on the possibility that who you responded to...was being sarcastic. But I could be wrong 😂
 
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While the omnipresence of Chromium is definitely a huge problem, you hardly can blame the EU for this as their intention is to offer more choice. It’s up to Apple to make Safari better, not to limit choice.

Of course I blame the EU.

I don't want more choice. I want to use Apple's built in solutions and software.

This will cause more websites in Europe to not support Safari and thus not support Safari on the Mac.
 
How long will it be before Apple is sued because they opened the door to allowing their phones to be scammed and hacked through third party app stores, NFC and browsers?

Personally I am sticking with Apple only as I have had 15 years of using the Mac and iPhone without issue.

I gave up Windows constantly being attacked, anti-virus software not working and having to re-install Windows.
And as for Android I don't want to even go there.
 
This is a welcome change. I'm not entirely convinced that third-party marketplaces are good for me as a customer. But no longer forcing everyone to shoehorn WebKit as a browsing engine is a net positive. My only fear is Chromium/Blink becoming the only browsing engine as developers stop caring about anything else.

Currently, the last bastion of hope for open web standards is Gecko (Mozilla/Firefox) and WebKit (Apple). Safari will continue to exist and be popular on iOS and iPadOS. But how long will it be before developers get too lazy, making only Chromium/Blink-based browsers the only ones that fully work, even on mobile? The WebKit enforcement on iOS and iPadOS has been one of the primary reasons why developers can't go all-in on Chromium/Blink as iOS is such a vast market.
 
Gee, remember Lightning being replaced with USB-C? The wailing and gnashing of teeth by white knights convinced their precious Jobsian Holy Land had been defiled? Funny how no one talks about that anymore. It's almost as if things kept humming along as usual without so much as a hiccup and now people get to pick and choose among their new options and opportunities accordingly.

This too shall pass. But first, lots and lots and lots and lots of wailing, anew.
 
It's only possible in the EU, so unless they operate only in the EU, they would be alienating the rest of the planet.

I'm in Norway. Most websites here only operates in Norway or maybe Scandinavia/Nordics.

I'm not talking things like Youtube but my local bank or the Norwegian version of Best Buy.
 
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How long will it be before Apple is sued because they opened the door to allowing their phones to be scammed and hacked through third party app stores, NFC and browsers?

Personally I am sticking with Apple only as I have had 15 years of using the Mac and iPhone without issue.

I gave up Windows constantly being attacked, anti-virus software not working and having to re-install Windows.
And as for Android I don't want to even go there.
Haha I'm feeling petty. A small part of me is hoping this is an absolute dumpster fire of an experience, so that way, the fingers can be pointed at the EU for forcing it. The EU wanted it open, so we're getting open. With every downside that comes with it. Smart move rolling it out to ONLY them. If it works without issue...great, it works without issue. If it causes a bunch of problems...they're the ones who get to deal with the consequences and that might make everyone else outside the EU think twice.
 
Gee, remember Lightning being replaced with USB-C? The wailing and gnashing of teeth by white knights convinced their precious Jobsian Holy Land had been defiled? Funny how no one talks about that anymore. It's almost as if things like hummed along as usual and people pick and choose among their new options and opportunities accordingly.

This too shall pass. But first, lots and lots and lots and lots of wailing, anew.
bingo. The amount of people who complained and though forcing Apple off lighting was a bad thing.
It in the end was a huge improvement and allows more basic standardizing of charging cords. Right now I hate having to deal with USB-C and lightings to make sure I have the right charging cord for a given device.
 
How long will it be before Apple is sued because they opened the door to allowing their phones to be scammed and hacked through third party app stores, NFC and browsers?

Personally I am sticking with Apple only as I have had 15 years of using the Mac and iPhone without issue.

I gave up Windows constantly being attacked, anti-virus software not working and having to re-install Windows.
And as for Android I don't want to even go there.

If you think the App store really keeps you safe I have some magic beans to sell you. The real security is in the OS itself and blocking side loading is not one of those things. For the most part App store review is monkies looking over the app. It is not that hard to hide or get around the restrictions. Mix that with remote configurations turning things on or other things preventing it from being spotted in review you are good to go.

Apple review process is a joke.
 
Is any browser except Firefox using a different engine than Chrome?

Sadly, no. For the vast majority, it's pretty much Chromium/Blink. Then we have WebKit (Apple), which has a decent userbase due to iOS, and Gecko (Mozilla/Firefox). Even Microsoft, with its decent EdgeHTML engine, ended up dropping it as they got too lazy to keep maintaining it and went to Chromium/Blink as well.

The biggest problem with everyone adopting Chromium/Blink is the amount of power and control it puts into Google's hands. And they are already doing a lot of terrible things for the open internet like Manifest V3.
 
Will the alternative browser engines be limited to browser apps? I sure hope that every app with a web view doesn't start embedding their preferred browser engine.
 
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Will developers make 2 versions for the same OS?
You'd be surprised, there is one version for each country where they sell iPhones themselves.
How will they handle users in Northern Ireland since they are within the customs union?

They’ll just be uk accounts?

So will Apple just apply same rules to uk or does it want to reopen the Good Friday agreement?
I guess they have different part numbers. They also had different part numbers for HK and mainland China.
This is very bad for those of us who use Safari on Mac.

Now, websites will have even less incentives to support Safari since they can just say install Chrome on iPhones.
I don't think this will influence desktop much. Also, in web development, things are not like they used to be where one browser behaved completely different than another with layout and web technologies as a whole.
who doesn't love that "make chrome your default browser" pop up everywhere you go
That only happens once.
Of course I blame the EU.

I don't want more choice. I want to use Apple's built in solutions and software.

This will cause more websites in Europe to not support Safari and thus not support Safari on the Mac.
We'll see about that but this is also the principle of the free market. If Safari is considered inferior, then of course another browser will take that spot.
How long will it be before Apple is sued because they opened the door to allowing their phones to be scammed and hacked through third party app stores, NFC and browsers?

Personally I am sticking with Apple only as I have had 15 years of using the Mac and iPhone without issue.

I gave up Windows constantly being attacked, anti-virus software not working and having to re-install Windows.
And as for Android I don't want to even go there.
Those are all verified developers, vetted by Apple. No good or bad dev can access your data without your consent, either. Those are iOS settings, not App Store settings.
 
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