That is not the case with software at all. If it were, everyone would still be using old Pentium computers. Try using an old computer just to browse the web and you will see how much more processing power that requires. Everything becomes more graphically intense, different special effects, audio bitrates.. it all requires more processing power. Same with the OS and other apps. When I plug my iPhone 6 into the charger, it behaves normally. When running on battery after about 10 minutes, it slows down. I plan on taking advantage of the battery deal soon.
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Apple Now Faces 26+ Lawsuits for 'Purposefully' or 'Secretly' Slowing Down Older iPhones
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I reckon they could offer me updates that don’t kill my phone. If the updates are tailored for my phone (smart enough to recognize what phone I have and not force the entire newness on me).
I mean, I’m not able to utilize most of the new features anyway.
This is a trillion dollar company. They can make a few tweaks to an update for certain phones specifically that don’t screw things up. Just let the software update recognize the phone and leave out unnecessary code.
"Sue away"? That's precisely what Americans do perpetually! They sue, backbite, scratch and scream "Me too!" yet still aren't satisfied in the end. The only people who benefit are the greedy lawyers who slyly convince an uneducated and misinformed populace that suing is their only recourse. Lawsuits won't result "in better iPhones." Lawsuits will only force Apple to explain their actions in greater detail. And while full disclosure is a good thing, that doesn't translate into a better iPhone.
thats how they became a "trillion" dollar company....they don't make money selling iOS
Monopoly?... The market is saturated with phone makers, and some good ones too.
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That's Apples new customer dissatisfaction over time plot.
You mean the same geekbench iOS App everyone can buy on the Appstore? The one that does a mix of CPU intensive tasks (like AES encryption, speech recognition, compression) and measures the time it takes to complete? Maybe you should tell Apple about it
Nope I didn’t use that one.
Anyway I think it’s hilarious that there are lawsuits being launched around the globe, and a handful of you dudes still saying that there is no issue. Even though Apple has already admitted to it.
Anyway I’m off this topic for now. Good luck everyone.
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throttling a CPU only when the power/speed is really needed for intensive processing just doesn't seem very intuitive to what should be happening. I get that the phone shutting off unexpectedly is worse but that sounds more and more like a design problem.
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I’m not saying it makes sense. I’m just saying it’s happened. And I’m not agreeing with it either. The X is about right in thickness, possibly 8mm would be pretty acceptable.
Then you can EASILY see how it could have been avoided. We can't talk about this with certainty because AAPL is hiding the engineering truth. All we know is that our phones are slower, and AAPL has admitted to slowing them. Their reasons so far are suspect.
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I have, and no where did I find the word "throttle" or a mention of a lower processor clock frequency.
That does not provide reliable information on the actual processor speed. Just an upper bound. Hypothetically, the processor could actually be running faster, but mostly be busy with other OS processes or tasks, or blocked by such, and the benchmark would report a misleading lower score.
Sorry, but as an iOS app developer of high frame rate apps, I've likely written a lot more benchmarks than you have, and know more about the possible flaws. So I don't trust benchmarks on closed OS systems without a lot more physical engineering data.
Very true. But their pants are down now. Looking forward to see if they’ll make things truly right. Not just a new battery that I shouldn’t have to pay for anyway.
It won't. Any money that goes into the hands of lawyers is money that isn't going into the hands of engineers for R&D.
There really is more overhead involved in that than you may realize. What if one of the features they left out on the version for your phone was utilized by an app you use. Would that app run, freeze, or be limited? If it resulted in issues with running apps, there would be more complaints about ‘planned obsolescence’ than there are in this thread already. They would also have to test patches to make sure they worked with and without the features enabled per device. In the past, Apple was a lot more aggressive with software obsolescence and people complained then too. A good example was when a 2 year old MacBook Pro was not given the ability to airplay its screen to the Apple TV. The reality is you have to expect your device to get slower as software becomes more processor intensive, websites become more graphic intensive, and so on. Batteries age. I had to replace the one in my car after 2 years; which is ridiculous for a car battery.
Really, the only thing shady done here is that Apple Support has apparently told people there was nothing wrong with their device when it was being slowed down by the software because of the power management feature.
Yawn. Pretty big leap in logic to determine Apples intent was to slow down existing phones to coerce people to buy new ones.
Additionally, very difficult to prove damage, particularly when the power management is only designed to impact phones with degraded batteries.
Difficult to define which users were affected because there are 800M phones.
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Additionally, very difficult to prove damage, particularly when the power management is only designed to impact phones with degraded batteries.
Difficult to define which users were affected because there are 800M phones.
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Who says they didn’t? No evidence this affected all 800M phones.
You should probably go on the stand as an expert witness in Apple’s defense.
Pretty funny they are suing for replacement costs.
They will get $0 for this portion. Absolutely no way any judge sets that precedent.
They will get $0 for this portion. Absolutely no way any judge sets that precedent.
We’ll find out. I agree about the car battery. I changed my mom’s out today. Was probably old enough to need it. But it took me over an hour because it’s a VW Beetle. And they make user-unfriendly cars. More money that way. Ironic to this thread.
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"...iOS dynamically manages the maximum performance of some system components when needed to prevent a shutdown."
One very effective way to lower performance, and power load, is to reduce the CPU clock. A rose by any other name...
Quoting the Apple statement:
"...iOS dynamically manages the maximum performance of some system components when needed to prevent a shutdown."
One very effective way to lower performance, and power load, is to reduce the CPU clock. A rose by any other name...
All true of almost all tech products. Moore's law makes 2 year old electronics seem obsolete to many consumers. Most semiconductor fab lines no longer produce those older chips for spare parts. Customers like to buy products that are frequently redesigned. They prefer sleek looking products that don't even leave room for the latch on a reliable battery door. Very few consumers (except the military) pay for stuff rugged enough to be repaired years later. If you don't plan for obsolescence, your competitors will take your market share.
As an example: Apple tries to not rapidly obsolete the Mini and the Pro, but keep making and selling the same spec products for over a year, and everybody on MacRumors just complains. Loudly. And claims they'll buy from HP or Dell instead.
It's not good for the environment, but it's what consumers demand. Otherwise it would be far more profitable to make rugged old style products, and not turn-over the product line every 6 months to 2 years.
Great question.. and a hypothesis for an answer.
Is it possible that the iPhone 6 hardware reached a sufficient level of performance where the relationship between peak power available and peak power consumption became a problem? By that I mean was the iPhone 6 hardware sufficiently advanced to *require* the battery to provide power bursts that after a 20% degradation were simply not available.
I'm certainly no expert but this strikes me as at least a logical hypothesis.
Thoughts?