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They used to brag about pre-sale numbers, but no longer. I'm surprised they don't let shareholders know some specific things.
Because it's an exercise in futility and not a good indicator of demand, particularly at first launch. They told us this. Apple has gotten so complex in and huge in their supply chain that it's literally impossible to understand anything meaningful.

Analysis are constantly wrong about "supply" issues as proven multiple times when Apple reports numbers. There was a huge Nikkei article on iPhone 7 supply problems, reduction in orders, waning demand, etc...all were proven false.
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Your situations are less practical than the ones I posted. but hey nice try.
Having wet hands or wearing gloves are less practical? Absurd. You just hate that FaceID is actually incredible and can work in many situations TouchID does not.

Both have issues, but FaceID is the future for MANY more reasons than just authenticating your phone.
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Who cares about FaceID in those situations. I wouldn't even be using the phone if my hands were any of those (other than the gloves). But I WOULD use my phone is situations where it can't read my face, like lying down.

Apple needed to figure out a way to have the phone read your fingerprint through the screen before going bezeless. And find a way to put the speakers behind the screen. The problem with current day Apple is that nobody invented it for them yet.
So you never use your phone with gloves or while working out?
 
I wonder if many people are still interested in the iPhone x. The 8 plus works great for me. I'll wait until next year for the x plus.
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YUP!!

NOPe too expensive for 256gb one. the hype is over now that people play with it well enough. perosnally they need to DROP their price significantly below $1000 to get them gone and i'd rather have the next year model with bigger screen size but same size as my current IP7+
 
NOPe too expensive for 256gb one. the hype is over now that people play with it well enough. perosnally they need to DROP their price significantly below $1000 to get them gone and i'd rather have the next year model with bigger screen size but same size as my current IP7+

I feel like the price of phones have gotten out of hand. For the price of leasing out a phone, you can get yourself a MacBook instead. I really don’t see the fascination any longer of having the latest and greatest any longer. I certainly don’t see myself leasing out a phone every year at $40 or $50 a month. Just to be the cool kid on my block.
 
I've enjoyed the X for the most part, but the usability goes down with it IMHO. It's as difficult to use with one hand as the 8 Plus, but reachability isn't as easy to activate. Face ID is wonderful in situations where it's beneficial, but slows things down in other situations (vs. Touch ID), and yet in other situations simply doesn't work as well as Touch ID. It's a really great experience to use it in those positive situations, though. The screen is gorgeous. I actually turn off True Tone as it feels too yellow to me. Honestly using the X feels like switching to the latest Samsung device - beautiful, good overall experience, but some usability and ease of use is lost vs. the "regular" iPhones.
 
I wonder if they waited to stockpile all the returned iPhone X's of Nov, pamper them up to sell them as new? If so, you are actually going to get a used iPhone X ;)
It’s unlikely that they are doing this. But it’s possible. It’s also possible that you’re getting a more advanced iPhone X than the people who ordered on day one. Not likely but possible.
 
By way of supply, it is somewhat peculiar that something like this can be produced to meet demand, yet Airpods (which I still almost never see anywhere out and about) are completely sold out and have been for a year now.... now obviously production is vastly different for these two things, but it still makes one wonder.

I see AirPods being used everywhere on my college campus. They're easily the most popular wireless headphones from what I've seen. But I'll agree, it's weird they still can't stay in stock a year after they've been released.
 
Got one delivered today in Seattle in 75 mins from ordering ! V impressive.
 
And Touch ID doesn't work:

1. With gloves
2. With wet hands
3. With greasy hands
4. With dirty hands
5. With sweaty hands

Again, FaceID was NOT just replacement for TouchID. When will people understand this? The tech behind the notch will drive many more feature from apps we haven't seen or thought about yet, primarily for AR.

And when you’ve unlocked the iPhone X with your face, how are you going to acutely use the touch screen with your wet / greasy / dirty or glove wearing hands?
 
It’s clear that the demand is very weak and doesn’t even match the extremely constrained supply. Nobody is surprised, after all we are talking about an overpriced beta product. Most people will buy next year, if the first generation bugs will be solved and the price will be more reasonable.
What bugs? iOS 11 works well on it. Face ID works well for most of us. Really it’s not the first gen beta feel I was expecting. The one thing I have seen people struggle to adjust to is the variability in quality and appearance that comes with OLED. Those of us familiar with this from our use of some Android phones aren’t surprised, but it’s been a bit of a shock to some exclusive iPhone users. Apple has done well.
 
And when you’ve unlocked the iPhone X with your face, how are you going to acutely use the touch screen with your wet / greasy / dirty or glove wearing hands?
Much more forgiving than the fingerprint sensor.

Besides, there is a lot of information you can get from just notifications on the X.
 
I see AirPods being used everywhere on my college campus. They're easily the most popular wireless headphones from what I've seen. But I'll agree, it's weird they still can't stay in stock a year after they've been released.
Ah to be in college lol. I’m sure I’d see them there too. I was in college back when the nano was king. We got the iPhone my senior year in undergrad. And yes. Plenty of white apple earbuds around every corner.

Now that I commute to Boston Using the T I almost never see them. Obviously anecdotal but I’ve seen more iPhone X than these buds in passing. One has been out a year longer than the other. Perhaps disposable income has to do with it; I didn’t even have the money for a flip phone in college.
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You might be more careful with your use of the word everyone. Some of us do respond with substantial comments. They are are mainly ignored.
Typically when I use everyone I don’t mean everyone. It’s a bad habit. “Most people” just doesn’t sound as good to me. But your crriticism is fair.
 
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no reason to get one over a 6S. Learned my lesson going from 6 to 6S which was another pointless upgrade.
 
I just bought an iPhone SE for $99 on Cricket (backed by AT&T). You can't charge TEN TIMES as much as a good deal on an arguably superior phone and expect demand to stay high. It's also sad that I can even make a case for an almost two year old phone like the SE being better.
 
Wait until you get a girlfriend or boyfriend. That iPhone X will take a back seat pretty quick. ;)
With some people, it seems like their smartphone always/usually takes priority over their supposed significant other.
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Come back and say that in January.
If only Apple broke down sales by each particular iPhone model.
 
I regret my X purchase. Simply because I don't think it's worth the price.
The main issue is i don’t understand Americans complaining about the price of the iphone x. When i remember right the iphone X in 256gb costs 1149 dollars. The iphone 7plus was 960 dollars. That is 189 Dollars difference. For this 190 Dollars u get a amoled display, wireless charging, fast charging, a double optical stabilized camera, face id, and a design ready for 2018 (bezel less) and last but not least a very sexy size. The ones who are really allowed to complain are we Europeans. I payed for my iphone X approximately 1400 swiss francs. This equals around 1420 dollars. And i got also the usb-c cable and the bigger charger for fast charging. Both were around 90 Dollars. This makes 1420+90=1510 dollars. Why on earth is the iphone almost 300 dollars more expensive in Europa??
 
The main issue is i don’t understand Americans complaining about the price of the iphone x. When i remember right the iphone X in 256gb costs 1149 dollars. The iphone 7plus was 960 dollars. That is 189 Dollars difference. For this 190 Dollars u get a amoled display, wireless charging, fast charging, a double optical stabilized camera, face id, and a design ready for 2018 (bezel less) and last but not least a very sexy size. The ones who are really allowed to complain are we Europeans. I payed for my iphone X approximately 1400 swiss francs. This equals around 1420 dollars. And i got also the usb-c cable and the bigger charger for fast charging. Both were around 90 Dollars. This makes 1420+90=1510 dollars. Why on earth is the iphone almost 300 dollars more expensive in Europa??

Depends on import duties and other applicable taxes. Some countries might offer tax credits if there are components manufactured locally to off-set duties for imported items, like in India where Samsung offers same MRP prices (even lesser in many cases) matching international prices or US prices.
 
i do not like the x format. As Jonathan would say. "it is hideous" I hope next generation will be better and smaller.
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The main issue is i don’t understand Americans complaining about the price of the iphone x. When i remember right the iphone X in 256gb costs 1149 dollars. The iphone 7plus was 960 dollars. That is 189 Dollars difference. For this 190 Dollars u get a amoled display, wireless charging, fast charging, a double optical stabilized camera, face id, and a design ready for 2018 (bezel less) and last but not least a very sexy size. The ones who are really allowed to complain are we Europeans. I payed for my iphone X approximately 1400 swiss francs. This equals around 1420 dollars. And i got also the usb-c cable and the bigger charger for fast charging. Both were around 90 Dollars. This makes 1420+90=1510 dollars. Why on earth is the iphone almost 300 dollars more expensive in Europa??
I guess it is worth to you. I would buy laptop instead. Battery on any iphone last max 3 years. so you pay quite a lot for something with limited functionality. I believe it is a hype.
 
I returned my X. Face ID simply wasn't as good for me and battery life was worse than my year old 7+. Apple paid for return shipping and refunded everything so kudos to Apple for that. I'd prefer a bigger phone with both Face ID and Touch ID, but that's probably not going to happen.
 
With some people, it seems like their smartphone always/usually takes priority over their supposed significant other.
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If only Apple broke down sales by each particular iPhone model.
They don't have to, so why do it? The revenue will tell the story.
 
And Touch ID doesn't work:

1. With gloves
2. With wet hands
3. With greasy hands
4. With dirty hands
5. With sweaty hands

Again, FaceID was NOT just replacement for TouchID. When will people understand this? The tech behind the notch will drive many more feature from apps we haven't seen or thought about yet, primarily for AR.
You're not too big on thinking for yourself, are you?

 
The main issue is i don’t understand Americans complaining about the price of the iphone x. When i remember right the iphone X in 256gb costs 1149 dollars. The iphone 7plus was 960 dollars. That is 189 Dollars difference. For this 190 Dollars u get a amoled display, wireless charging, fast charging, a double optical stabilized camera, face id, and a design ready for 2018 (bezel less) and last but not least a very sexy size. The ones who are really allowed to complain are we Europeans. I payed for my iphone X approximately 1400 swiss francs. This equals around 1420 dollars. And i got also the usb-c cable and the bigger charger for fast charging. Both were around 90 Dollars. This makes 1420+90=1510 dollars. Why on earth is the iphone almost 300 dollars more expensive in Europa??
The iPhone 7 Plus was only $970 if you bought the most expensive model. It started at $770. That's a ridiculous comparison to take the most expensive tier last year versus the X this year.

No, I don't think the X is worth the price in USA, let alone in other regions. I don't care about the OLED display. I'd happily go back to LCD. Most of us don't use the fast charging as it requires additional accessory purchases. You can get wireless charging with the 8 series. In my use Face ID is no better than Touch ID at this point. The size isn't all that sexy. It's essentially the same as a 4.7" iPhone, same width screen, only longer. If I could return my X for a base model 8 I would. Regardless I'm upgrading next year to a cheaper iPhone model anyways so really that would only be a savings of $150 over 12 months. But I've already told friends/family that I would not advise them the X unless they really want it.
 
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They don't have to, so why do it? The revenue will tell the story.
To give us a clearer picture of how well the X is selling and if there’s any noticeable drop that’s being offset by iPhone 7/8 sales. Like you said they don’t have to, but they could if they wanted to be more transparent and not increasingly painted with the same brush as other companies that have wasted the good will they once had with their customers and investors by being too overprotective of their image/status. That’s in addition to their super excessive padding of their bottom line. I know any prudent company will prepare for a rainy day, but it looks like Apple is preparing for the storm of the millennium. Didn’t they release the number of each particular model sold in the past?
 
You're not too big on thinking for yourself, are you?

I'm the only one here thinking for myself. The rest of these fools are stuck on TouchID being the ultimate solution. Technology is never finished, so the Carlin reference is stupid. I fully understand technology is a luxury.
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To give us a clearer picture of how well the X is selling and if there’s any noticeable drop that’s being offset by iPhone 7/8 sales. Like you said they don’t have to, but they could if they wanted to be more transparent and not increasingly painted with the same brush as other companies that have wasted the good will they once had with their customers and investors by being too overprotective of their image/status. That’s in addition to their super excessive padding of their bottom line. I know any prudent company will prepare for a rainy day, but it looks like Apple is preparing for the storm of the millennium. Didn’t they release the number of each particular model sold in the past?
They don't want to give you any picture other than what they are required. Welcome to publicly traded companies.
 
I think the X has been a massive hit with people who 'have to have the latest one, just cos', but less of a hit for people who are concerned with usability, durability etc.

If the X had a metal body, touch ID, symmetrical screen (i.e. no notch or rounded off corners, but much reduced bezel size), then I think Apple would have a real hit with huge numbers of existing users upgrading to it.
 
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