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I have a 2019 27“ iMac and it feels like an entirely new way of working. The swap file is of course ridiculously small (about 300 MB) since all the used memory can stay in the RAM. That also means less writing on the SSD and longer longevity. Also less performance demands because less rewriting is needed.
Doing some light developing and medium browsing, my RAM is usually at around 28-34 GB of usage.

In the light of this, 64 GB would already have bren enough, but I will do some more demanding programming in the coming months so I am happy I maxed it out. I bought a 128 GB set from OWC I believe which was tagged at around 200-300 €, which was fair. I would have had to pay over 1000 for half of that from Apple just so I didn‘t have to open the hatch.

Now they are smarter, they soldered the ram and solid state so they can rob charge you whatever they want.
 
Just barely related, but I wish I could buy this (or any) mini and use it with my 2009 27" iMac in target display mode.
Have you (and @Octavius8 ) checked out https://astropad.com/product/lunadisplay/? I'm finally able to put my gigantic 27" iMac display to work again with this thing! (also, tip if you do pick one of these up, I plug in an ethernet cable for the connection direct from my MacBook Pro to the iMac so it's not dependent on and intermittently dropping/lagging over WiFi).
 
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I'm sure we'll eventually see M2 Pro models hit the refurb store down the road, I'll sure keep an eye out for a Pro with 12c19g/16 ram/1TB config.
 
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But, you can!

You can use any device (not just Macs, but just about any device of any brand) that is capable of DP out and use Target Display mode with the Late 2009-Mid 2010 27" iMacs.

It is the Thunderbolt Macs that will not work with the M1 and up Macs, as they will only work as displays for Intel Macs with Thunderbolt via Target Display mode.
I think (thought) there was a limitation on which OS could use target mode, so a new OS wouldn't do it
 
In this forum 99% of the macrumorers will say 256 is more than enough.
It's not the capacity that's the issue (you would be better off financially buying it with minimal internal storage and adding external drives), it's the speed. Apple cheaped out on the 256 model, which uses a single chip instead of two, which means SSD access is 50% slower than ones with larger drives. I expect that's why a lot of these machines ended up in the refurb pile in the first place.
 
It's not the capacity that's the issue (you would be better off financially buying it with minimal internal storage and adding external drives), it's the speed. Apple cheaped out on the 256 model, which uses a single chip instead of two, which means SSD access is 50% slower than ones with larger drives. I expect that's why a lot of these machines ended up in the refurb pile in the first place.
With storage at least you can use external, with RAM you can't.

Still is cheaper to get a brand new or refurb on amazon than directly from apple.
 
You are not Apple's target audience. Apple targets teenagers listening to low resolution audio and playing utube videos.
You are probably right, I love computers and gadgets but apple's exorbitant pricing kept me away.

I was so happy when they announced OSX for intel, as soon as I could I got my PC running OS X on my PC, those were pretty nice days.
 
what lunatic would buy this when its 499 new on amazon seemingly forever…
Those who seriously claim that buying refurb is BETTER than buying new. (something about how refurbs undergo more strict testing and examination than new units).

please note... I'm not one of those people. I always buy new, and often at or less than refurb prices. :)
 
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You are probably right, I love computers and gadgets but apple's exorbitant pricing kept me away.

I was so happy when they announced OSX for intel, as soon as I could I got my PC running OS X on my PC, those were pretty nice days.
Yep, I've bought my last Apple computer (which was Apple intel to bridge the gap) after using them since the the original Macintosh. In the Motorola days, Apple focused on being compatible with the Intel world, mostly that worked but was still a pain, but when they changed to Intel processors that was fantastic. At least until they started making Macs totally incompatible with everything else.

Now Apple is the Microsoft of the 1990s, my way or the highway. Almost all of my work is cross-platform. Having a base machine that does not work cross-platform is not realistic.
 
Yep, I've bought my last Apple computer (which was Apple intel to bridge the gap) after using them since the the original Macintosh. In the Motorola days, Apple focused on being compatible with the Intel world, mostly that worked but was still a pain, but when they changed to Intel processors that was fantastic. At least until they started making Macs totally incompatible with everything else.

Now Apple is the Microsoft of the 1990s, my way or the highway. Almost all of my work is cross-platform. Having a base machine that does not work cross-platform is not realistic.

Your days of having a base machine that does cross-platform are pretty much over, ARM on Windows is growing, and macs are phasing out intel x86.
 
I think (thought) there was a limitation on which OS could use target mode, so a new OS wouldn't do it
Are you referring to the target Late 2009 27” iMac? Or the source device?

If you are talking about the source, it doesn’t matter what OS you are using, just like a TV doesn’t care about the OS of a device that is plugged into its HDMI port. It just displays what is plugged into it.

If you are talking about the Target iMac, yes some MacOS versions may not have the Target Display Mode feature, so just stick with High Sierra, which works.
 
M1 base models from costco going for 300 sold yesterday.
Far better deal as performance is nearly identical between M1 and M2 but base model M2s come with those new semi-crippled SSDs.

Value per $ is far higher for a 256/8/M1 at $300.

No wonder these M2 base models are so quick to reach the refurbished section.

M2 is only worth getting with a custom configuration and with M2 Pro or better.
 
Far better deal as performance is nearly identical between M1 and M2 but base model M2s come with those new semi-crippled SSDs.

Value per $ is far higher for a 256/8/M1 at $300.

No wonder these M2 base models are so quick to reach the refurbished section.

M2 is only worth getting with a custom configuration and with M2 Pro or better.

Only problem with that is Costco never has them in stock, not sure where or when anyone saw that deal.
 
Tempting, but no way I'm buying a machine with 8GB of memory! What's that good for running? The Stickies app? 😅
The insanity of suggesting that 8GB RAM is not enough just keeps rearing its ignorant head.

Yes, we’d all like 16GB in the base configurations.

But if you genuinely think 8GB isn’t enough for most then you haven’t tried it.

It’s more than enough for the vast majority of Mac users.
 
what lunatic would buy this when its 499 new on amazon seemingly forever…
Speaking of Amazon, I haven't purchased anything through them in this year alone. It used to be a no-brainer but now I just shop elsewhere.
 
You’d be surprised, I was running 50-80 track Logic sessions on one of those base 8g mac minis with no issues.
For some reason any thread that mentions a Mac, there is someone that feels they have to point out the amount of RAM it has in it... I swear in the nerd community RAM is the equivalent of how high your pickup truck is lifed in the redneck community. It's no different on the Windows PC side. You post the gaming setup with 16 GB of RAM and everyone's going to comment "What peasantry is this? How could you game with less than 32 GB of RAM" 🤦‍♂️🤣
 
For some reason any thread that mentions a Mac, there is someone that feels they have to point out the amount of RAM it has in it... I swear in the nerd community RAM is the equivalent of how high your pickup truck is lifed in the redneck community. It's no different on the Windows PC side. You post the gaming setup with 16 GB of RAM and everyone's going to comment "What peasantry is this? How could you game with less than 32 GB of RAM" 🤦‍♂️🤣
If you have less RAM, you have more read/write actions while trying to get information in and out of RAM onto the disk, and vice versa. If you can reduce that (by getting more RAM), you increase performance by having a larger overhead, you reduce write and read activity and improve disk health by sparing it from unneccessary activity. You will also have more disk space available because you won‘t be using the swap file much.
 
If you have less RAM, you have more read/write actions while trying to get information in and out of RAM onto the disk, and vice versa. If you can reduce that (by getting more RAM), you increase performance by having a larger overhead, you reduce write and read activity and improve disk health by sparing it from unneccessary activity. You will also have more disk space available because you won‘t be using the swap file much.
This is true, but not sure why people have to mention the amount of RAM every time. We all know that the base model of some MacBooks have 8 GB. We also know this is more than enough for many users who do basic computing. Some people refuse to admit this, but it’s the truth. If you’re not a person that does basic computing, then the option of more is available.

Also SSD wear is highly overblown. Sure it’s going to wear out, but the swap file is not going to kill it before its useful life ends.

The biggest problem I find with myself and fellow tech nerds is they want to advise people on computing based on their needs and wants. When grandma asks what computer she needs to browse Facebook and her tech nerd grandson tells her to buy a gaming rig with a 4090 in it, because, you know we all need that.

I’m not against over buying either because why not if you have extra $$$. If someone asked me what do they “need”, I’m going to tell them honestly what they need. If they asked me should I buy this fancier, higher spec computer then I will tell them sure if you want to spend the extra money but you don’t need it.
 
Yeah, my PC pretty much uses all the time 32 GB or my 64 GB, so I would like to see apple's magic to reduce the ram in a tiny 8 GB.
Yes there is some magic going on. But who cares as long as it works.

 
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