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Apple Now Suing Samsung over Tablet and Phone Case Designs [Updated]

fpsBeaTt said:
Nice straw man; misconstrue my statement in the extreme, and criticise it. Bravo, sir; you are worthy of a Republican. The main companies that innovate in semi-conductor technology are Intel, AMD, TSMC and ARM; Samsung, in that area, are a very small player and thus to not release anything truly of note.
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Uh ? Samsung is one of the biggest semi-conductors firm around. They are 2nd only to IBM in patents/year filed for.

And nothing of note ? Do you know what PVA is ? What its relation to IPS/TN are ? Samsung have quite a few notches on their innovation belt. I don't miscontrue your statement, you are outright saying Samsung doesn't innovate when it's plainly false.

Is that your statement ? That Samsung doesn't innovate ? Because again : that's plainly false.
 
theart666 said:
Just check out Samsungs website, it's trying to be like apple, trying being the word here!..

Every company blatantly tries to copy Apple in every way. I can see why they would but come on, if it ain't an Apple, it ain't an apple and I know where my loyalties lie!

And why shouldn't Apple try and sue all the copycat 'rivals'?? This tactic brings to peoples attention the fact that Apple did it first. If Apple didn't take these steps then every damn company outside China would be rolling out cheap crap in Apple style casings!


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I don't give a ******* because I own apple stock! :D
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Yeah, these are so much alike I can't tell the difference...
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KnightWRX said:
Uh ? Samsung is one of the biggest semi-conductors firm around. They are 2nd only to IBM in patents/year filed for.

And nothing of note ? Do you know what PVA is ? What its relation to IPS/TN are ? Samsung have quite a few notches on their innovation belt. I don't miscontrue your statement, you are outright saying Samsung doesn't innovate when it's plainly false.

Is that your statement ? That Samsung doesn't innovate ? Because again : that's plainly false.
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They do not innovate in semiconductors; they innovate in displays. Get your facts straight; oh, forgot Global Foundries in my list. Again, nice straw man.

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benthewraith said:
Yeah, these are so much alike I can't tell the difference...
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I can see the design pointers they're taking from Apple on their website; that's like invalidating that point with 'hurrr, Lexus and BMW; I can't tell the difference'.
 
fpsBeaTt said:
I'm a software developer and physicist, Mr flat Earther.

Logic is the reasoning conducted based on valid and substantiated premises; the arguments I am refuting are based on flawed premises, much like your genetic integrity.
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Thanks for the laugh! Someone got their thesaurus early for Christmas and/or wants to "feel" superior.

Have a great day. I have no desire to "debate" with someone who resorts to namecalling - even if it's in an erudite manner.
 
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fpsBeaTt said:
They do not innovate in semiconductors; they innovate in displays. Get your facts straight; oh, forgot Global Foundries in my list. Again, nice straw man.

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I can see the design pointers they're taking from Apple on their website; that's like invalidating that point with 'hurrr, Lexus and BMW; I can't tell the difference'.
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Care to point those design pointers out or are you just blowing hot air?
 
Renzatic said:
As if horizontal menu layouts for webpage were a new thing, and haven't been around since John Klaus Internet invented HTML in 1867.
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I'm aware of that; no one's disputing that. Just saying that the layout, spacing, and page location relative to their new product notifications are very similar. Again, that's perfectly fine; just noting that upon looking at both of the pages in a broad sense, you can see where they got their design sense from.
 
fpsBeaTt said:
I'm aware of that; no one's disputing that. Just saying that the layout, spacing, and page location relative to their new product notifications are very similar. Again, that's perfectly fine; just noting that upon looking at both of the pages in a broad sense, you can see where they got their design sense from.
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And you think these numbers were contrived arbitrarily out of thin air by Apple themselves and Samsung's just copying, or do you think it more likely those designs were built with a consumer's screen resolution in mind?
 
benthewraith said:
And you think these numbers were contrived arbitrarily out of thin air by Apple themselves and Samsung's just copying, or do you think it more likely those designs were built with a consumer's screen resolution in mind?
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Obviously Apple did it first and owns the right to it. You can be sure that once Apple loses this lawsuit, Apple will target and sue over Samsung's website next. :rolleyes:
 
danahn17 said:
Obviously Apple did it first and owns the right to it. You can be sure that once Apple loses this lawsuit, I believe Apple will target and sue over Samsung's website next. :rolleyes:
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I don't think Apple's that stupid, but then it told Samsung that they couldn't make any more rectangular phones/tablets with rounded edges so who knows.
 
fpsBeaTt said:
Is it just me, or do most of the illogical creationist-types come out when a thread has almost petered out, so the majority of rational people simply skip? It seems that way.
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I'm not going to comment on whether you are right or wrong, simply because you won't change your mind either way, however do you see the irony of this statement? the thread has pretty much died out to a natural conclusion, until you came along and revived it in a big way.

since you are alone in your viewpoint, i'd have to say that you're the illogical one.
 
benthewraith said:
I don't think Apple's that stupid, but then it told Samsung that they couldn't make any more rectangular phones/tablets with rounded edges so who knows.
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haha i'm being a little facetious with that comment. :)

But seriously, I'm all for protecting IPs and all but this is getting WAY to played out and WAY out of hand. At this point, Apple looks like an insecure tech dictator, Samsung either looks like a victim or perpetrator, and all the patent lawyers are laughing their ways to the bank.
 
fpsBeaTt said:
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Yeah, sure; there's no other position or layout that can be used. It's based solely on screen res:p btw, can you make it more obvious that you're pettily down-rating my comment? I just said it's fine if Samsung wants to do that on their website; it's just pretty obvious to someone without an agenda.
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Er. Just about every webpage you go to is based on a common screen resolution (I want to say 1024x768, but I'm not 100% sure). Haven't you ever noticed that websites rarely ever fill out the entire space of a maximized browser window? Just look at the website in front of you (Macrumors, you know...just in case). The Apple Website. Samsung's site. Rockpapershotgun. Ars Technica. Somethingawful. Youtube. Newegg. CNN. Just about every blog in existence. They're all displayed in a column fitted in the middle of the window.

Why?

Because they're all designed to conform to one common screen resolution.

So there. No agenda. All design standards.

edit: Here you go. Cuz I'm bored, and really love driving a point home. INTERNET DEBATE!

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fpsBeaTt said:
Ahhh, the fake outrage of a hypocrite. I put forward facts, you put forward unsubstantiated insults...
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"Completely wrong logic? Do you know what logic is? "

"Is it just me, or do most of the illogical creationist-types come out when a thread has almost petered out, so the majority of rational people simply skip? It seems that way."

"I'm a software developer and physicist, Mr flat Earther. I'm more informed on the intricacies of logic than your southern-style mind can comprehend."

"Bravo, sir; you are worthy of a Republican. "

"It's a linear progression in die shrinks, you derp"

"that's like invalidating that point with 'hurrr, Lexus and BMW; I can't tell the difference'."

"you've just shown which denomination you belong to: the lowest common."

"Seriously dude, with that comment and reasoning, you should join the tea party."

Just sayin... :rolleyes:
 
fpsBeaTt said:
If Apple were in Lotus' place, it would be Lotus designing the engine specifically for the car. Yamaha would be the equivalent of ARM, and Toyota the equivalent of Samsung.
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Ups, A4 was not designed by Apple but by Intrinsity AND Samsung

IF you think Apple designs the NAND, screens, etc the creationist one is you.


fpsBeaTt said:
I'm a software developer and physicist, Mr flat Earther.
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Here another software developer and physicist. The difference with you is that I don't insult when I'wrong like you are doing almost since the first post.
 
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Mattie Num Nums said:
Not to be a spelling/grammar "nazi" (I have horrible spelling and grammar) but if you are going to throw your education around you better make sure your statements are flawless.
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Thrown education/credentials/resumes often boomerang.
They are the clay feet on the body of one's dubious arguments.
Really smart folks know this and avoid it like the plague. :D
 
I want to make something clear to those who think that defending IP is akin to not being able to innovate. Don't bother responding to this, I'm not subscribing to this thread to waste more time arguing. I just want to make my point. If you like it, fine.

Also, bear in mind that I'm not talking about this specific case, but in general.

For one thing, it's unethical to basically steal someone's idea and sell it. Aside from that, suing to protect your IP is NOT anti-innovation. It's PRO-innovation. Why? If you don't sue to protect IP, you allow a competitor to basically make almost the exact thing that you made. What is innovative about that? By suing them you force them to change their product—to make something different. And that's what they should have done in the first place. That's upholding innovation. If you can't create something better, you copy what you see. That's not innovation. Anyone who thinks otherwise is deluded.

I don't know where many people on here have the opinion that IP and ethics don't matter. Yes, there's something to be said about just making something new and better as a response to a copycat. But that new thing will just get copied too. In the end, there's only innovation from one company and not the entire market, which is not how it's supposed to work.
 
zync said:
I want to make something clear to those who think that defending IP is akin to not being able to innovate. Don't bother responding to this, I'm not subscribing to this thread to waste more time arguing. I just want to make my point. If you like it, fine.

Also, bear in mind that I'm not talking about this specific case, but in general.

For one thing, it's unethical to basically steal someone's idea and sell it. Aside from that, suing to protect your IP is NOT anti-innovation. It's PRO-innovation. Why? If you don't sue to protect IP, you allow a competitor to basically make almost the exact thing that you made. What is innovative about that? By suing them you force them to change their product—to make something different. And that's what they should have done in the first place. That's upholding innovation. If you can't create something better, you copy what you see. That's not innovation. Anyone who thinks otherwise is deluded.

I don't know where many people on here have the opinion that IP and ethics don't matter. Yes, there's something to be said about just making something new and better as a response to a copycat. But that new thing will just get copied too. In the end, there's only innovation from one company and not the entire market, which is not how it's supposed to work.
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I can agree... to a point. I also think that too many things have been patented which should never have been because it's far to vague or far too ubiquitous. And I think that is part of the problem we are seeing with several of these lawsuits.
 
DevixLuvic said:
I can see why Apple would get mad over those Tab cases. They look identical to the iPad 2's Smart Cover! Or is that just me?
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The Tab cases shown at the beginning of the thread were made by a THIRD party company. They were never sold by Samsung.

That image is result of misrepresentation by Apple and to a large part the media covering the story.

What misrepresentation you ask? Like photoshopping image of Galaxy tabs or engadget showing image of Galaxy phone that is scaled to look like an iphone.

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dernhelm said:
Wow - Samsung REALLY wants to BE Apple.

It's kind of sad, really.
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No you have it the other way. You think Samsung wants to be like Apple but in fact it's Apple wanting to have the brain of Samsung.

A4 = designed by Intrinsity AND Samsung. Manufactured exclusively by Samsung.
A5 = Manufactured exclusively by Samsung in a 5 BILLION DOLLAR plant in Texas. Yes, that's BILLION.
RAM/FlashRAM/LCD/ = large chunks supplied by Samsung.



The Tab cases shown at beginning of the thread were made by a THIRD party company. And they were never sold by Samsung or anyone else.
 
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