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Nothing I stated suggested that people were not buying because of the naming convention. However, I am very sure it causes confusion. I was in the Apple store earlier this week, getting my iphone 6s replaced (circuit board fried - never had that happen) and I sat at the genius bar, I heard a lot of non techies asking a lot of questions. Among the questions I would hear things like what the difference between x and y. (Actually mostly around air vs book, but my point stands)
It was never alluded to that you suggested people were not buying due to a particular naming convention.
The reference was to point out that the public at large may not be as anal when it comes to naming conventions.
So what if they are asking questions about x versus y. That is what the Apple Store is for among other things.
 
Well the newer ones are pretty awesome, six months with my Gold wireless solo2s and haven't looked back - actually I do take care to look back while walking in areas with traffic, and that did sometimes cause cutouts with my Lumia 925, but it never has with my Lumia 640, maybe because plastic? And I've always been so stoked with the sound, and the lack of wires. Going back to even my Apple in-ear buds is a real shock to the system. So by all means they should push everyone to have wireless, and awesome :).
 
I'm all for wireless connectivity, but my gripe with it remains that Bluetooth audio is largely inferior to that of even a basic wired connection over 3.5mm, and unless Apple is going to be open to a lot more DAC/Amp makers using the Lightning connection on iOS devices for raw digital output, then a lot of audiophiles like myself may be a bit squicked by the lack of a headphone jack.

You call yourself an audiophile and you're listening to your music on an iPhone?
 
I disagree with your assessment. Maybe new Apple likes profit, but old Apple put quality even before profit - that's why they made so much profit. It takes a certain mindset to understand that, so I don't expect you to understand.
Certain mindset? One that I wouldn't understand? Do tell. Could it be the mindset that engages in revisionist history? Old Apple license Mac OS to anyone who's check didn't bounce. Quality be damned. Why? For profit. What I really don't understand is why I responded to this. Old Apple? Not relevant to the original post, your quote, or my original quote. It's late, I've had too much wine. That must be why I responded.
 
I disagree with your assessment. Maybe new Apple likes profit, but old Apple put quality even before profit - that's why they made so much profit. It takes a certain mindset to understand that, so I don't expect you to understand.

Purely a matter perception.

The old Apple was a much smaller company, and it wasn't pulling down tens of billions in annual profits. One could imagine that profit was the reward for quality, rather than the motive to deliver that quality. It was easier to feel one had a personal relationship with a smaller company. But Apple's philosophy was no different (or little different) back then - make great products that justify a higher price tag (and profit margin).

We don't begrudge a large profit to a master craftsman - we prefer to believe that pride-of-craftsmanship, not profit, is the craftsman's primary motivation. Profit, we believe, is purely a matter of "doing well by doing good." Wrong! The vast majority of people who are motivated to be "the best" are looking for all the rewards that come from being the best.

Steve Jobs wanted to be rich (and succeeded). He was definitely not interested in being a starving artist. But he wanted to get rich by doing great things. I doubt he could have been happy managing a hedge fund. His motives, therefore, are not suspect.

Now, with mega-Apple, with Wall Street's and the news media's non-stop coverage of the company's every move, hundreds of billions in cash and marketable securities... it's far easier to believe that, like all the filthy rich, money is all that matters to Apple.

We don't perceive Tim Cook to be a craftsman who shapes the products Apple sells. Therefore, his motive is suspect. What we need is to hear that Tim has thrown product prototypes against the wall, that he's berated Jony and Craig... All it takes is a few incidents and skilled PR agents, and the Tim Cook Mythos will be firmly established.

Quality still drives Apple's success. Apple now has more happy, loyal customers than ever before. And while some will insist that all these people are dupes... in the end, people are very disloyal when they feel they've been duped. The vast majority of Apple's customers believe they have gotten what they paid for, and when the time comes to buy more stuff, they buy it from Apple. Happiness with iPhone has pushed Mac sales to historic highs, while all other PC makers are scrambling to replace lost PC sales with lower-priced tablets...

And after Elon Musk has been pressured to concentrate on making affordable electric cars, Apple will swoop in and sell better electric cars, putting a serious dent in Musk's sales of luxury models (where all the profit is). It's what Apple does.
 
Apple products on the vintage and obsolete list are no longer eligible for hardware service, with a few exceptions. Apple defines obsolete products as those that have not been manufactured for more than seven years, while vintage products are those that were discontinued more than five but less than seven years ago.
They may need to alter this policy if they start making cars.
 
I never understood the beats buy by Apple. I don't think they got their moneys worth. Anyway, to me, beats headphones are the ugliest piece of hardware ever to have apple name associated with.
They are too big, too "look at me with my ugly beats", totally designed with a sense of the bigger the better, plus their sounds is mediocre at best.
You can get just about any seinheiser or sony for half their price and get better sound, plus a much prettier piece of headphone.
Why didn't Apple took off from their minimalistic buds and went from there is beyond me, but again, it is why I don't work for them. I just own part of the company and I want my voice heard!!!! LOL.





Apple updated its vintage and obsolete products list today with the addition of some older Beats wired headphones and accessories, including select first- or second-generation Heartbeats, Mixr, Powerbeats, Pro, Solo, Solo HD, Studio and Tour models. One old wireless model was also obsoleted.

Apple products on the vintage and obsolete list are no longer eligible for hardware service, with a few exceptions. Apple defines obsolete products as those that have not been manufactured for more than seven years, while vintage products are those that were discontinued more than five but less than seven years ago.

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The following Beats headphones and accessories are now obsolete in the U.S., Asia-Pacific, Canada, Europe, Japan, and Latin America:Heartbeats (2nd gen.): black, white
Mixr: black, white
Powerbeats (1st gen.): black, red, white
Pro: black, Detox, white
Solo (1st gen.): black, white, HTC white
Solo HD: black, black-gold, purple, red, white, Yao Ming
Studio (1st g.): Red Sox, black, blue, green, orange, pink, purple, red, silver, white
Tour (1st gen.): black, white
Urbeats (1st gen.): black, matte white
Wireless (1.5): black, whiteApple obsoleting many of the older Beats wired models listed above is largely unsurprising, but it comes at a time when the company is expected to make a big push towards wireless connectivity on its flagship product.

Multiple reports claim the iPhone 7 will not have a headphone jack, but rather an all-in-one Lightning port for docking and audio. iPhone 7 users would be able to pair wireless headphones over Bluetooth, use Lightning-equipped headphones or connect headphones with traditional 3.5mm jacks with a Lightning-to-3.5mm adapter.

Apple may release Lightning-equipped EarPods, and the company already offers Powerbeats 2, Solo2 and Studio wireless headphones through its Beats brand. It is also rumored the iPhone 7 will feature wireless charging, allowing for the smartphone to be charged at the same time Lightning-equipped headphones are being used.

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Apple is also said to be developing new wireless headphones ahead of the iPhone 7's likely September unveiling.

Article Link: Apple Obsoletes Older Beats Models as Push Towards Wireless Continues
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I don't think that word means what you think it means.
I don't think you get his sarcasm...
 
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Wait, so what's happening to the Pro? New version coming out or outmoding that model all together?
 
I wish "obsoletes" meant "fire sale". I could use another set of headphones.

(YES, I know they suck, YES, I know there are better on the market, NO, I don't bloody well care)
It's like you're the guy that people talk about when they talk down to Apple users. Willful ignorance.
 
Code for what? Initially the deal was the 'Beats' would cease to exist as a brand and be blended into Apple. That hasn't happened, and there's no indication it's pending.

Change of plans? Just wondering.
Code words in reference to your description of Beats as ghetto. Ghetto typically being used euphamistically in a derogatory manner primarily associated with black people. If that wasn't your intent, sincere apologies.

As for Beats not existing as a brand, I said earlier in the thread, I don't see Apple making that change anytime soon. Why would they? It's a worldwide recognized brand that is tops in it's industry in sales and profit. The Beats name is universal in it's appeal, and ecosystem agnostic in it's sales. As an iProduct, it becomes an accessory associated with a closed ecosystem. If I'm Apple, I continue to let Beats print more money than any other headphone company out there. Right now it's a win/win. I can't think of one advantage for Apple in rebranding Beats while the Beats name is still hot.
 
No racial anything intended, no offense taken.. I simply meant 'ghetto' in a downscale, not associated with Apple premium status perceptions. Not that I'm an expert, but I was simply thinking of the marketing.

The consensus I've read regarding Beats is the price is high, and the sound quality is so-so at best. My hope was Apple could have addressed those issues in-house
 
I bought Studio Wireless last month and they suck, constantly dropping like when you whack a cd player and it stops for a second. I dunno why it's always doing it but I noticed if I cover up the top antenna it drops completely....

So I dunno if it's the headphones or if the iPhone 6s just has **** bluetooth.
I just got the beats pill mcm version. Never a drop. Best sound quality.
 
My model is listed but it's still in warranty maybe Apple give me refund if they die got them replaced twice already

These are items that haven't been sold for at least 5 years and the warranty is only one year. You might have a later version of one of the models but you don't have the ones here.
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I don't understand... they are still selling many of those on the Apple Store as we speak. My bet is that Apple labeled them vintage to attract the hipster crowd.

The headphones have generations same as computers and phones. These on the list are all 1st, 2nd Generation products that now are on their 5th and 6th Generation (some with name changes).
 
  1. I don't understand the obsession with getting thinner. Personally, I think the phone is thin enough, even with the increase in size from the 6 to the 6s
  2. I think it's a mistake to get rid of the headphone jack. If they do, then the iPhone 6s Plus is my last iPhone. I have had wireless headphones in the past and none have lived up the abilities of Wired. Also, I agree that if they do add Wireless ear buds to the iPhone 7, it probably will be another $99 jump. The other issue is vehicles that only have and AUX jack and no BT. I know, buy the Lightning2Headphone Jack accessory (if they make one), wait, that will be another $30-$50, compared to the $5-$10 aux cable I would only need. But now, I can't charge and listen at the same time. I know, Wireless Charging, wait, just one more cable to have in my car. All I perceive from this is that APPLE is finding more ways to charge us for items that they already gave us and now are taking away.
  3. As thin as these iPhones are now already, we still have a bubble on them where the Camera is. So, lets make it thinner only to have the camera sticking out more.

Just my 2 cents, you don't have to take it.
 
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I just got the beats pill mcm version. Never a drop. Best sound quality.
Is that the one which was released after Apple bought Beats?
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  1. I don't understand the obsession with getting thinner. Personally, I think the phone is thin enough, even with the increase in size from the 6 to the 6s
  2. I think it's a mistake to get rid of the headphone jack. If they do, then the iPhone 6s Plus is my last iPhone. I have had wireless headphones in the past and none have lived up the abilities of Wired. Also, I agree that if they do add Wireless ear buds to the iPhone 7, it probably will be another $99 jump. The other issue is vehicles that only have and AUX jack and no BT. I know, buy the Lightning2Headphone Jack accessory (if they make one), wait, that will be another $30-$50, compared to the $5-$10 aux cable I would only need. But now, I can't charge and listen at the same time. I know, Wireless Charging, wait, just one more cable to have in my car. All I perceive from this is that APPLE is finding more ways to charge us for items that they already gave us and now are taking away.
  3. As thin as these iPhones are now already, we still have a bubble on them where the Camera is. So, lets make it thinner only to have the camera sticking out more.
Just my 2 cents, you don't have to take it.
You might want to sign this petition: http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/stop-apple-from-getting-rid-of-headphone-jacks-in
 
I never understood the beats buy by Apple. I don't think they got their moneys worth. Anyway, to me, beats headphones are the ugliest piece of hardware ever to have apple name associated with.
They are too big, too "look at me with my ugly beats", totally designed with a sense of the bigger the better, plus their sounds is mediocre at best.
You can get just about any seinheiser or sony for half their price and get better sound, plus a much prettier piece of headphone.

I'm a bit surprised at that take on things. I feel especially the new Solo2 ones are very Apple in their design - everything is hidden - no cables visible in the design ever for instance, plus I actually think they are very minimalist - very thin band, very small cups. Maybe not the studio ones, but I have become much more conscious of what other people are wearing since having the Solo2 wireless ones, and others look like a mess by comparison. Plus, mine are the gold ones, so they exactly match other Apple things in that way lol.
 
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