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Apple Offers Developers a Closer Look at the New Mac Pro

R3k said:
Anyone else have issue with the power button being on the 'back'?

The I/O section would be facing back in my machine room....id have to crouch and feel around behind the unit for the switch when i turn it on every morning.
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I can't recall the last time I powered down my MP. In standby mode, my entire system pulls 20 watts and that's including three 25" LCDs in sleep mode and a 8 port GB switch. I think the MP pulls pulls 4-5 watts in standby? That's nothing compared to the 350-400 watts it pulls while I'm working.
 
ArtMooney said:
Look! It's the Mac Pro X! Just what everyone wanted - a smaller, lighter stationary computer that is only expandable via an expensive cable that no one supports.

We need tools, not shiny cases. I need expandability, not a table cluttered in expensive cables that don't plug into anything. I don't need a smaller, lighter stationary computer. I need more places to put hard drives, video cards and ram as I can afford it. I need a disk drive. Apple is killing me. For what I needed, wanted and waited patiently for so long for - I got not one single thing I can use. I understand trying to be innovative if they've found a new way to make an old tool better - but changing things we've all come to know, love and need into something useless and unrecognizable just for the sake of change is exasperating (see; Final Cut X). Sure, it's pretty. It'll look great under a table every time I accidentally kick it or get my foot tangled up in one of the 20 cables laying in a rat's nest next to it. Looking forward to the clutter of hard drive caddies, a RedRocket card enclosure, the bare LG BluRay writer tethered via a USB cable, the adapter array full of FireWire ports to access cameras and drives containing legacy projects…oh, wait, never mind. It also just occurred to me - how am I going to mount that thing in a rack??? How is any of this going to attach to shared storage when I'm gonna have to wait 2 years for a 3rd party to invent an impossibly expensive Fibre channel adapter? Seriously, does anyone there actually use these products when they're designing them or listen to customers - or do they look at the suggestion cards and do the opposite???

Not that any of this really matters because without a working version of Final Cut, I don't need one anyway. So, thanks for saving me a bunch of money I guess? 3 - 4K monitors. For who??? The high school students using FCPX won't be able to afford it, nor will they need that much real-estate to edit YouTube videos.

God help Apple this is a disaster. They do know 'Pro' is short for 'professional' right?

I'm so depressed. I waited for 5 years to get nothing I can use or wanted.
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Sounds like you could have saved yourself a lot of heartache and spent the last five years tuning up a load of PCs...
 
So what exactly is the problem with this set up?

This would work for a huge part of the pro market. Any old projects can easily be put into the enclosure (with out having to take the machine apart) Huge amounts of power (if 7 teraflops is not good enough GTFO)
Granted maybe a redrocket card might be external but daisy chain that to your enclosure and tuck it all under a desk, or even in a cupboard. All that external stuff can be on one cable and just put out of the way.
 

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a "shove off" to we pros again...

So all of we Mac devotees who have heavily invested in Raid Arrays and PCIe cards for capture etc. are snubbed again it seems. Either buy into the reinvention and arrogance of the new Apple and do it their way or look elsewhere...like we did when they dumped FCP for all intents. Crap I hate having to move to PC for our editing 3D systems. Rumor is already rampant that HP is going to have a similar but cheaper and more Pro friendly version of similar guts. Not looking forward to it.

Don Wilson
 
With that money, you can build a PC, which will be at least 1.5 times faster than this. Yes, it will get hotter, collect dust, be louder but I just don't get the point. Anyway, some people have a ********* of money.
 
Still seems to me like a Hackintosh is the way to go for professionals who seek the flexibility and power without the outrageous expense and limiting form factor.

My $1500 Hackintosh hits over 20000 Geekbench scores and when the new E5 Xeons become available, swapping the CPU will take less than 10 minutes.

In the meantime, I have 1866mhz DDR3 Ram, PCI-E 3, USB 3 and dual CUDA graphics cards right now as opposed to "later this year"


To me this Mac "Pro" is really a re-invention of the G4 Cube, a cool looking desktop computer mostly designed for users who really want to feel cool.
 
I am not Keen on the design, The cylinder seems a little soft, prefer the square edges that make a more purposeful looking monolithic structure, and a big box means you can keep things tidy under your desk if you need to add local storage.
The Toblerone of cooling makes for a nice technical solution, but an odd packaging , Circles don't tessellate and all the wires that tuck away under the desk are now cluttering up the desktop, I don't think PC manufactures will be doing "me too" designs like that did with the Mac mini. (currently a great product if you want to connect loads of legacy drives).
 
when will a Samsung look like this ...

... answer very soon.

I invite all participants to a simple 10p stake with 100:1 odds on that withing a few weeks there will at least 10 copy-kat mac look alines.
 
Midphase said:
me this Mac "Pro" is really a re-invention of the G4 Cube, a cool looking desktop computer mostly designed for users who really want to feel cool.
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That would accurately describe my three co-workers who each had one. I inherited them when the motherboards died out of warranty.

They'd be lining up for this, if two of them weren't dead, and the other one wasn't senile.
 
wildmac said:
And now you are adding at least 3 more, for the PCI chassis for video cards, another for another storage array, another for optical drive.. and power for all those.

And none of this stuff will stack on top of the MacPro like it does now.. gonna need a rack for it all.
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I already HAVE an optical drive, as stated in my original comment. I haven't bought an internal expansion card in ages. It's all external stuff. I doubt I'll start buying internal cards again, either. The GPU this thing supposedly offers will more than accommodate my non-3D-intensive uses for years. Even the gaming GPU in my PC hasn't been upgraded in years because it's just not a priority.

As for stacking, I already have racks for my external equipment to sit on. That's kind a necessity with pro equipment in the first place, unless you don't use anything BUT a computer and storage.

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wildmac said:
You must be too young to remember SCSI drives then, right?
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I personally remember SCSI very well. SCSI required manual configuration. How does this relate to Thunderbolt? I've never had device chaining problems with FireWire on a Mac (but do on a Windows PC).
 
Chingu said:
I can't recall the last time I powered down my MP. In standby mode, my entire system pulls 20 watts and that's including three 25" LCDs in sleep mode and a 8 port GB switch. I think the MP pulls pulls 4-5 watts in standby? That's nothing compared to the 350-400 watts it pulls while I'm working.
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So why waste over a 100KW a year?

Do you just like more mercury in your sushi?
 
topomango said:
there is only one cooling plate that connects all the components and only one fan that cools down everything. If it fails everything burns. I wonder how they get along with this.
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If my PC's CPU fan dies, the CPU burns. Is there a huge difference? It's not like you'd continue to run the rest of the system if the heat sensors tripped a safety shutdown.
 
grooveattack said:
So what exactly is the problem with this set up?

This would work for a huge part of the pro market. Any old projects can easily be put into the enclosure (with out having to take the machine apart) Huge amounts of power (if 7 teraflops is not good enough GTFO)
Granted maybe a redrocket card might be external but daisy chain that to your enclosure and tuck it all under a desk, or even in a cupboard. All that external stuff can be on one cable and just put out of the way.
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The desktop is cluttered with trashcans. remove the two incongruent boxes on the right of the picture
 
ArtMooney said:
Awesome $800 for an adapter that doesn't even come with a cable. There's an awesome solution for a problem I didn't have until they created it.
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Dude, stop complaining, buy a PC and shut the f up already. Did you just join this site today to annoy everyone with your incessant b*tching?
 
Nightarchaon said:
SO, Ive has done it again, a pretty box thats utterly useless to anyone because its effectively a sealed unit...

this is not aimed at the PRO market at all, this is aimed at a few people with more money than sense... i wouldn't pay more than id pay for an iMac for this (And id expect that price to include a thunderbolt display).

My best guess is though the the price (made in the USA and all) will be higher than either of the voyager space probes, and that can be doubled by the time you have bought the Thunderbolt peripherals, external drives, and docking bays to give you the storage space, and ports you actually need..

Not to mention the cost in cable tidys alone .

Not what the Pro market wanted, and no, apple cant innovate for SH*TE these days, just create useless boxes no one actually wants.
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Yeah, that's why they have 150 billion in the bank. Because they make useless boxes no one actually wants. Get over yourself fool.
 
Faux Carnival said:
With that money, you can build a PC, which will be at least 1.5 times faster than this. Yes, it will get hotter, collect dust, be louder but I just don't get the point. Anyway, some people have a ********* of money.
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lol PC's.

People still use PC's?

Is Dell or HP even around anymore?
 
ArtMooney said:
Awesome $800 for an adapter that doesn't even come with a cable. There's an awesome solution for a problem I didn't have until they created it.
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haha sucks for you!

If you can't pay, you can't play!

Perhaps you should have done a better job in your business.
 
Beautiful; especially if paired with a classy drive array

An easily swappable drive array sure would be useful. Hopefully some elegant reliable JBOD unit might be available by the time these bad boys ship, and I think it's likely Apple may already be working with a vendor or two to make it happen.

Overall, very pleased. I think Apple hit a home run here.

Also I think we may be pleasantly surprised on pricing - Apple's been very competitive there lately.

They are going to pull a *lot of people* back into the Pro market with this product; lots of people who want more than the iMac, but didn't want the bulky older tower.

I'm ready.
 
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