What they mean by "new Mac Pro pricing" is "new pricing of the current Mac Pro", not "pricing of the new Mac Pro". Compare the listed prices with the Apple Store and you'll see that they match up exactly.
Got a tip for us?
Let us know
Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
Apple Offers Sneak Peek of Completely Redesigned Mac Pro
- Thread starter MacRumors
- Start date
- Sort by reaction score
What they mean by "new Mac Pro pricing" is "new pricing of the current Mac Pro", not "pricing of the new Mac Pro". Compare the listed prices with the Apple Store and you'll see that they match up exactly.
Wrongo...
thunderbolt 2 is 20 GB/s
PCIe 3 is 15.75 GB/s
Thunderbolt handles pcie, USB3 (a paltry 5GB/s) And video data all on one interconnect all at full speed duplex.
the price of the macpro 2013
The new Mac Pro
1 cpu xeon E5 12 cores = 2200$
2 amd firepro w9000 = 2X 3400$= 6800$
3 Memory 4X32 GB pc14900 ECC = 4000$
4 SSD 512gb 1000$
5 case and connectors 200$
6 PSU 300 $
TOTAL 15000$
I think this machine will not be under 10K
The new Mac Pro
1 cpu xeon E5 12 cores = 2200$
2 amd firepro w9000 = 2X 3400$= 6800$
3 Memory 4X32 GB pc14900 ECC = 4000$
4 SSD 512gb 1000$
5 case and connectors 200$
6 PSU 300 $
TOTAL 15000$
I think this machine will not be under 10K
Are you trying to be funny or are you just acting like a douche. Who do you think you are - seriously - set aside 12K?
I think with most components missing such as HD's etc, the cost of this is to be expected in the 1200 to 2400... Especially if one needs to buy a 1K to 2K expansion .
1. I make games, and work with 3d so I know a great deal about graphics cards
2. Your sarcasm skills are poor.
3. This will be more than capable at most games. I did not say it will be as good as, say, a Titan, but to say 'if you manage to start a game' is completely inaccurate. I have happily play all the latest games on a w8000 on full render setting and get v. Height frame rates.
----------
I think you are so deluded.
PSU $300!!!!
The gpus are somewhere between a 7000-8000
Actually why am I bothering, are you one of the Samsung paid posters?
A PSU that can handle a 12 cores xeon and 2 W9000 has a high cost.
I am not from samsung ;-)
i think the GPUs will be 2x w9000 with 3gb each i might be wrong...
Thoughts....
To makes this new "hardware ecosystem"(we are not just buying a box) work, it needs to be CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP. In the sub $2K range. No display, no HD's, less weight and material cost, shipping - so most value is in the GPU's, SSD's and CPU. HAVING (there won't be much option) to invest in external TB / PCie Arrays (ridiculously priced , still, 2 years after intro) will make this a questionable upgrade for smaller studios, editors, designers...Cost will be an issue.
I think it seems like a great machine - and I can tell many people at Apple put their heart into it - I respect that. What remains? Well since it is part of a chain - it needs to be competitively priced. Every 2014 Haswell Macbook Pro and iMac will be TB2, Terrabyte SSD storage, ultrafast Quadcores and beyond - so to justify such a desktop with minimal options - it's PRICE PRICE PRICE.....
Here's a thought coming from the gut - Let it start at $1299 for base, just a on top of a high end 2014 Haswell MAC MINI. And I don't care what these graphic chips cost in retail. How many are being sold? How many will be made once Apple commits to using them in their product? Changes everything.
So is it a move in the right direction? Things get smaller, more portable, cheaper, lighter. YES - from that perspective. And you can see, price is right in there in the equation.
Would I have liked to see the same performance characteristics and then some in a 2013 MAC PRO of current design? HMM... yes - that too...I love the current Mac Pro. Cool to the touch. DOES NOT look like an Alienware can, heavy, powerful and that metal...feels right? If there was a current MP design that's , say, shrunk by 40%, with everything else equal??? I'd love it too...
So one final word on expandability. That in essence is upgradeability, and that changes the life span of a computer...It's a key factor. Changing the motherboard or getting a new MP every 4 or 3 or ...2 years? Where are we going with this? Or maybe every year, like the iPhone? Pros can't be buying and selling gear constantly to stay current. Upgrades in hardware need to become like OS upgrades. Not necessarily free - but part of a non disruptive flow. Time for a new concept.
To makes this new "hardware ecosystem"(we are not just buying a box) work, it needs to be CHEAP CHEAP CHEAP. In the sub $2K range. No display, no HD's, less weight and material cost, shipping - so most value is in the GPU's, SSD's and CPU. HAVING (there won't be much option) to invest in external TB / PCie Arrays (ridiculously priced , still, 2 years after intro) will make this a questionable upgrade for smaller studios, editors, designers...Cost will be an issue.
I think it seems like a great machine - and I can tell many people at Apple put their heart into it - I respect that. What remains? Well since it is part of a chain - it needs to be competitively priced. Every 2014 Haswell Macbook Pro and iMac will be TB2, Terrabyte SSD storage, ultrafast Quadcores and beyond - so to justify such a desktop with minimal options - it's PRICE PRICE PRICE.....
Here's a thought coming from the gut - Let it start at $1299 for base, just a on top of a high end 2014 Haswell MAC MINI. And I don't care what these graphic chips cost in retail. How many are being sold? How many will be made once Apple commits to using them in their product? Changes everything.
So is it a move in the right direction? Things get smaller, more portable, cheaper, lighter. YES - from that perspective. And you can see, price is right in there in the equation.
Would I have liked to see the same performance characteristics and then some in a 2013 MAC PRO of current design? HMM... yes - that too...I love the current Mac Pro. Cool to the touch. DOES NOT look like an Alienware can, heavy, powerful and that metal...feels right? If there was a current MP design that's , say, shrunk by 40%, with everything else equal??? I'd love it too...
So one final word on expandability. That in essence is upgradeability, and that changes the life span of a computer...It's a key factor. Changing the motherboard or getting a new MP every 4 or 3 or ...2 years? Where are we going with this? Or maybe every year, like the iPhone? Pros can't be buying and selling gear constantly to stay current. Upgrades in hardware need to become like OS upgrades. Not necessarily free - but part of a non disruptive flow. Time for a new concept.
Even with all's it issues depending on the user I was thinking since the new Mac Pro will be so small one could either buy a case, build a custom case fit this inside along with many possible externals they may want. Of course that does not help with many of the issues yet it would keep everything together, that is something I could see doing if I ever wanted such a machine. (not likely anytime soon)
As for hard drive space, I imagine if I had that much money to spend on a computer a bit more is not going to be a huge deal and if it was maybe I should not be buying such a costly computer. However I can maybe say that for a few hundred gigs, if someone needs 4TBs of space they would get into the thousands and that much would not even be available, so that statement is only valid in part. Another factor is someone need several of these and everything adds up.
Still find it odd there is no SD card slot more then no optical drive because it is used even more and is so small.
As for hard drive space, I imagine if I had that much money to spend on a computer a bit more is not going to be a huge deal and if it was maybe I should not be buying such a costly computer. However I can maybe say that for a few hundred gigs, if someone needs 4TBs of space they would get into the thousands and that much would not even be available, so that statement is only valid in part. Another factor is someone need several of these and everything adds up.
Still find it odd there is no SD card slot more then no optical drive because it is used even more and is so small.
SSD's will totally change the storage world, and nearly already have.
I can't remember where I saw it, or exactly when, but I think it was an EMC advert showing a standard tall rack full to overflowing with SSD 'drives' and they were quoting the capacity, and speed, and I nearly dropped to my knees. Impressive was one word that popped into my head. Hideously, gloriously, budget bustingly (what budget?) expensive popped up too, but the point is that the 'old days' of hundreds of pounds of drives in thousand pound full racks is gone. As chip technology increases the density and manufacturing technology increases the packaging density and cooling, the sky is the limit, and theoretically any form factor can be achieved.
Yeah, I remember the first family computer. It had a 5M hard drive. It was upgraded to a 10M drive. It also had 640K of RAM. I can't even remember the processor speed. Now I have a Mac Pro with 6g RAM, and almost 4T of disk space, and a Blu-ray drive, and 64g flash drives too. The future is so exciting. Who knows where we will be.
We have come a long way from Ken Olsen's days where he thought no one needed a computer in their home.
----------
Whatever. Good for you that you are so wireless. Some of us like the speed and security of a wired network, but the idea is that no expansion internal is going to be a hard sell for some people, and some organizations. As people have pointed out, rack mounting is important too.
All shortcomings that can be dealt with.
Of course there will be additional costs for external gear, but looking at an inventory of a small studio, those costs are peanuts compared to state of the art audio hardware.
A 2-slot PCIe chassis, supported by UAD, is 'only' $799, which is quite some money for what is basically an empty box. But a decent mic, channel-strip or other hardware is about the same prize or (much) more.
Keep in mind that this is an essential part of your studio!
You can have the best Neumann's, SSL strips and whatever, you don't want to run out of DAW processing power when it matters.....
you ASSUME it has the W9000 , well it does not !
the size and the cooling solution suggests so ... have you seen a W9000 card?
2x W9000 run at 540 WATTS alone ! you will need serious cooling for it , and huge powersupply that cant fit in that tiny trashcan.
besides the trashcan uses PASSIvE cooling of unified air tunnel and a fan for the whole thing
this garbage has the W7000 for sure in cross fire nothing more.
yes but all the 6 ports are shared on one 20G/s bus
dont expect have 120G/s thats wrong
the Xeons have 40 Lanes of PCIe 3.0 thats total of 40G/s
the TB2 takes half of them and the 20 rest are for the 2xGPU , Lan , etc
----------
After watching the announcements, reading WWDC reports, and reading many reactions, I pulled together this summary of what we know, don't know, can infer, and can speculate on. And of course, my humble opinion at the end.
The new Mac Pro
Barring any changes,
This is what we know -
1) Size & Shape - 9.9" height x 6.6" diameter, cylinder
2) Case material - polished aluminum
2) Processor - Up to 12 core processing power, Xeon E5 chipset
3) Graphics - Dual GPUs supporting three 4K displays
4) Memory - 4 expansion slots, DDR3 1866 MHz ECC - user upgradeable
5) Storage - 1 x SSD on a PCI Express bus
6) Wireless - Wifi 802.11 ac, Bluetooth 4.0
7) Connections
4 x USB 3 ports
6 x Thunderbolt 2 ports
2 x Gigabit ethernet ports
1 x HDMI port
1 x Standard PC power cord connection
1 x 3.5mm Headphone jack
1 x 3.5 Speaker(?) jack
8) Unified Thermal Core - shared heat dissipation with single large fan
9) Designed and assembled in the US
10) NO internal PCI slots
11) NO other internal storage
12) NO optical drive
This is what we can infer from the images on Apple's website and WWDC reports.
1) Internal power supply (grilled area between the motherboard and the case)
2) Single processor (only 1 set of connectors can be discerned on the motherboard and no room for a second)
3) Interchangeable SSD connector (SSD shown being inserted into the connector)
4) Proprietary video card connectors to the motherboard (no PCI board connectors on the video cards' length and black connector(?) on bottom end)
5) No direct video card display connectors - video outs not connected to GPU cards
6) Apple uses the term GPUs instead of video cards. The "video cards" seen do not function like video cards of old with PCI long edge connectors and video outs on the short edge.
7) The GPU card has the connector for the PCI Express SSD built into it. So, the GPU card could be part GPU and part Storage controller. It would be logical for the GPU to be on the same PCI Express bus as the SSD.
What we currently don't know -
1) Price
2) What is the maximum amount of memory supported in Gigabytes? We can infer 128GB from OS Mavericks.
3) Will there be a dual CPU model? (taller cylinder?)
4) WIll there be a more memory slots model? (taller cylinder?)
5) Will there be another SSD port? (put into the empty space on the second GPU card)
6) Is there a rack mount version?
7) What are the CPU offerings going to be?
Miscellaneous Notes:
Size Comparisons (9.9" height, 6.6" diameter)
1) Micro ATX motherboard (smallest) 6.75" x 6.75"
2) previous Mac Pro Tower - 20.1" height, 8.1" width, 18.7" depth
Questions and Speculation
1) Will Apple make a series of Thunderbolt enclosures to house storage drives and PCI cards?
2) Will there be an upgrade path for GPUs?
3) Is there a new bus for connecting GPUs?
3b) If so, can it be connected externally in the future?
My opinion
The most pressing question is what's it going to cost.
For what it's worth, I'm planning on buying one. Why? Because my 17" MacBook Pro Core2 Duo with which I edit HD videos and render out After Effects projects on is seriously begging for an upgrade. And that also means, I don't have any investments in PCI cards and I'm already used to the workflow of using external storage solutions. I have removable drive bays in those as well as my Blu Ray burner and DVD burner.
Looking forward to more news.
buy today Mac Pro with dual CPU , you will get your 12 cores and at the same price . and it will perform even better.
get lowest CPU , and order the 3.5G 6core xeons and install them your self
you will have a machine better than that stupid trashcan .
buy the card you want and install it there .
and you will have the freedom of 8 memory dimms and 4 expansion slots , and you can add SSD in raid 0 cheaper than that stupid PCIe and will give you up to 4G/s read write performance.
want my Advice dont wait ! get the Mac pro b4 it disappears.
the new machine is NOT , I repeat NOT Faster than the older Mac pro. if you do it smart !
buy cheapest , and replace the Xeon CPU ...
for Usb3 , buy a Card no big deal.
He assumes its a W9000 because that's the only card with 6GB ECC memory. FirePro W9000 drivers are also in OS X 10.9. This most likely means underclocked W9000s rather than W8000s with more memory.
So congrats on being angry and wrong.
That setup sounds ridiculous. Ive been in the high end CG/VFX/Comp/Anim industry for almost 15 years and never have i seen nor heard of such a ridiculous setup. It may, in fact, defy logic.
Sounds like you need to diversify just a bit instead of gang banging every port in that poor mac pro.
Its probably worth it for you to spend that extra cash just to consolidate all that jazz instead of continuing to piggyback one generation atop the next instead of embracing the new and donating the old.
Theres no reason you can't use your cockamamie setup until it creates a singularity from all of the power you're consuming. Warren Buffet will not be pleased though.
You should see how bad Equillogic and EMC are getting their arses kicked by Nimble Storage when it comes to SANs. The way they married SSD/Flash storage with SATA III drives is absolutely sick. Apple's Fusion drives come close, but no-where near this.
If something like that hits the {pro,con}sumer level... well, you'll definitely see why the old model of slapping as many drives as you can into a chassis is outdated and costly, both in terms of power and money.
You're worried about printing, copying or scanning wirelessly over a network? or even using a mouse or keyboard wirelessly? really? This sounds like you don't know what you are talking about at all. The only thing that would go over anything 802.11b/g/n would be the Printer/Scanner/Copier, and that's it. Keyboard and mouse would go over bluetooth or have their separate dongle, so if you think people are going to spend time trying to sniff packets (encrypted ones at that, especially after taking the time to crack WPA or WPA2/TKIP) to find out what you are printing or scanning, you're really out of touch.
Rackmounting was what XServe was for, not the Mac Pro. As I'm a sysadmin and maintain servers in 3 separate data centers, conservation of rack space and having the smallest footprint possible is the most important thing on a sysadmin and CIO's mind, both physically and financially. And having a Mac Pro which could be up to 3 - 4U tall does not really look good, especially if you could get the same performance out of a 1U pizza box or a 2U server. All of that space would be wasted in a rack, plus if it were in a data center, you really would not need that type of graphics power in a server, as graphics would be the last thing you'd worry about over a network anyway. It would be useless as you'd have an X11 or remote connection anyway.
The very fact that someone is getting better performance than a Mac Pro by rack mounting 160 Mac Minis in a data center says all you would need to know about rack mounting a Mac Pro.
Hell, there are even Mac Mini data centers that could handle anything that a rack mounted pro could, so again, that is just as outdated as the monolithic cram-everything-into-my-desktop model.
So this new Mac Pro already beats PCIe, could play games, and suits just about everything else, including portability. There isn't much more of a leg for the older ones to stand on, let alone that model at all.
BL.
Kickstarter for Mac Pro Case
Okay, with all of those pretty internals I propose a kickstarter for a glass or high-tech clear plastic case so we can see inside. Maybe we could add some touch surfaces to the outside to control volume and maybe some active LEDs for network too. That would look wicked and I would love it over just the black aluminum shell.
Okay, with all of those pretty internals I propose a kickstarter for a glass or high-tech clear plastic case so we can see inside. Maybe we could add some touch surfaces to the outside to control volume and maybe some active LEDs for network too. That would look wicked and I would love it over just the black aluminum shell.
All flash based HD
2 GPUs
Wi-fi AC
Thunderbolt 2
Brand new Xeon processors
New tubular case is aluminum.
Smaller size doesn't mean smaller price. There's no way it's gonna be cheaper than the current Mac Pro.
Isn't that supposed to be in gigaBITs? That should read Gb/s.
The most you can push with with the new Mac Pro externally is like 2.5 GB/s, while the standard PCI-e 3.0 x16 slot (absent on the new Mac Pro) can push about 16 GB/s. Uppercase B is Bytes here. At least that's how I understand it. Someone correct me if I'm wrong, please.
These are my big questions. Single socket E5 seems like a questionable choice, and four memory slots isn't much for a "pro" machine - that's one thing you can't expand with TB. That second GPU board seems like it's screaming for a second SSD slot.
I've been blown away by Mavericks so far. And I never liked 10.7 or 10.8, but it looks like they finally topped SL.
That article just talks about new australian pricing on the current MP, they have no clue what the next one will cost.
Nope, supposedly six ports on three busses. Six discrete busses would be nice but 3x20Gb isn't bad.
I mentioned speed first. Attack me for still being a devotee of the 'old school' wired network? And I don't know what I'm talking about?
Per rack mounting, I deal in the small company space, where they don't have the luxury of having things like NAS's and SAN's, etc. Having a bigger server box means tape drives and drive arrays are internal to the server, and one (or more) less cables, or connectors to be ruined by sliding the server out of the rack.
You do realize that you are trying to beat me up with your own experience in 'the industry' without thinking of my experience in the same industry, right?
And people rack for a lot of reasons. Security, organization, density, cooling, noise...
Hurray for you that you manage three data centers. Should I bow to you now, or wait 'till later? There is a whole other world out there in small organization IT. You might find yourself in it someday.
And racking Mac Mini's helps your attack on me how? By a rough calculation, the 160 Mac Mini plan would cost over $95,840.00, if you use 'stock' low end currently available Mini's. Obviously that does not including the additional cost of the racks, the UPS's, the networking equipment, the cables, the software, the development costs, the installation, the power and cooling costs, shipping/freight charges, and any building upgrades that might be necessary. I would certainly hope that something that extravagant would outperform a Mac Pro. It sounds like an extreme waste of money for anything less than a governmental entity though. You are also talking about comparing a massively parallel type of system which even in an insane world would require rack mounting with a complicated interconnection network to a single computer which IS rack mountable, for those silly humans that really want to...
So your ancillary point was what? That the current Mac Pro is 'obsolete'? News to you, sir, or madam: It was obsolete before it first shipped. My 'brand new' Mac Pro was already obsolete when I took it out of the box for there was already existing faster components and faster connection methods available at the time it was built.
Thank you for the opportunity to be a target for your superiority. Now run along and play with your toys... I'm done with this thread.