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[...] If you take iPad Pro and compare it to average PC, iPad Pro software would work much faster, people edit 4K videos on it which still laggy on medium PCs you can buy today. [...]

Are you being serious? The biggest iPad Pro SSD isn't even big enough to hold 4K Video that isn't a home movie.

No one who is actually editing 4K content is going to go hmmm better get that iPad Pro! - They will have a PC with 16GB of RAM and a few TB's of local storage and an SSD.

Keep in mind for the price of a single iPad Pro even the 9.7" one you could get a Core i5 desktop PC with 16GB of RAM a 4TB Hard Disk and a 256GB SSD for scratch use and a video accelerating GPU that could edit 4K video perfectly. And still have money left over for a pint down the pub.

I swear some of you guys aren't living in reality with comments like this.
 
Is this a revelation? iPads suck for doing actual work... I don't think this is a surprise for anyone.
You mistaken. Not so long ago some people were saying that you can do real work only in terminal and graphic interface is a toy. iPad enables computing for more people. It is much simpler to use and don't have all problems that PC / Mac users have to deal with. Plus it enables new abilities like for example you can shoot and edit film on a single device. You can pick from selection of text editors much more wider and innovative than on PC / Mac. You can take it anywhere and so on.
 
This is sadly a classic case of the school district and the teachers not taking the time to learn how to use a fantastic tool.
While iPads may not be seen as a laptop replacement yet, in a school environment they are phenomenal! Especially for books and collaborative learning! All this "they just played games" and "word processing was impossible" is a bunch of shenanigans that tells us they just didn't even bother to learn the medium. (From the student's angle I do understand the coding bit, even thought there's got to be at least a few good apps for that, but I couldn't say.)
But anyway, props to Apple for giving them a sweet deal.

A regular iPad touch screen versus physical keyboard isn't even a contest.
 
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You mistaken. Not so long ago some people were saying that you can do real work only in terminal and graphic interface is a toy. iPad enables computing for more people. It is much simpler to use and don't have all problems that PC / Mac users have to deal with. Plus it enables new abilities like for example you can shoot and edit film on a single device. You can pick from selection of text editors much more wider and innovative than on PC / Mac. You can take it anywhere and so on.

Yea you need accessories that drives the costs up. Just doesn't make sense for price sensitive education market.
 
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Each to their own...

No strong preference... Their only coming from how much time u'll have to spend locking them down only...

Playing games is a second class. u can play games on a Mac as well.... but depends what you do with devices...

laptops are better for programming... tablets are more potable and focued on what u wanna do exactly... to others..

Probably a case of "standard account" vs "Restrictions"
 
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Are you being serious? The biggest iPad Pro SSD isn't even big enough to hold 4K Video that isn't a home movie.

No one who is actually editing 4K content is going to go hmmm better get that iPad Pro! - They will have a PC with 16GB of RAM and a few TB's of local storage and an SSD.

Keep in mind for the price of a single iPad Pro even the 9.7" one you could get a Core i5 desktop PC with 16GB of RAM a 4TB Hard Disk and a 256GB SSD for scratch use and a video accelerating GPU that could edit 4K video perfectly. And still have money left over for a pint down the pub.

I swear some of you guys aren't living in reality with comments like this.

Add 4K video camera and software to the price of a PC. you can shoot 4K video on iPad. Price of professional video editing software is cheaper on iPad. You get iMove for free and you can get Pinnacle Studio. You can get 256 GB SSD iPad and use cloud storage or external NAS to store work that done previously. That's more than enough.
 
Add 4K video camera and software to the price of a PC. you can shoot 4K video on iPad. Price of professional video editing software is cheaper on iPad. You get iMove for free and you can get Pinnacle Studio. You can get 256 GB SSD iPad and use cloud storage or external NAS to store work that done previously. That's more than enough.

The 4K video that you make on these portables devices is laughably crap. And all that extra stuff costs money. Jesus the 256GB iPad Pro costs more than the PC I just described and a dedicated 4K Point and shoot combined.

And cloud storage for 4K Video? What kinda utopia are you living in where people have the kinda internet upload to do that. We're talking video files that are so large it'd take weeks to upload them.

As for a home NAS, how do you get the video off the iPad into the NAS and vice versa? It's so complicated I don't even know of a way to do that which iMovie would even support.
 
I have used a iPad for 3 years at my High School for Sophomore, Junior, and Senior year in conjunction with my personal Laptio.

Overall, I prefer using my laptop for schoolwork. Not only did I grow up with them (when I was young, my "tablet like device" was a small Dell Inspiron 700M). It was small (10 inches), semi powerful, and, had a 6 hour battery life. Running on good ol' XP, it was extremely productive. Last year, when my newer laptop broke (the unreliable Inspiron 14r N4010), I brought in the 700M for a few weeks. Surprisingly, it held up extremely well with my daily school work tasks of typing notes/papers in Word, doing research on the internet (Firefox) and backing up all that work to my Dropbox!

I mainly prefer the computer because...
1. Physical keyboard: I find it easier for typing long assignments
2 better formatting. When I use my iPad to take notes in Pages and Word, I often get frustrated at the mobile formatting When I use Word 2010, I can play around with more features and, it is easier to get the format to cooperate.
3. Program support: My computer can support more programs than my iPad can. Video editing is easier and more in depth on my laptop than using iMovie or simular apps on my iPad. Even browsing is better (especially with a touchscreen laptop)
4th.

It's funny back in my freshman year's English Class, me and another girl were the only ones that used our devices for our assignments. She had her iPad 2 while, I used my then working N4010. For the most part, she had a harder time taking notes, doing reaserch, and, I was on topic more of the time. When it came time to print, my computer never let me down. On the other hand, printing for her was always a hassle. From disconnection problems to having to take her iPad to the printer on the other hand of the school, she usually had to resort to emailing papers or hoping that it would print out.

One thing that the iPad is good at is for viewing textbooks. Our school uses a major textbook company and, the webpage version is incompatible with my touchscreen laptop. Scrolling does not work and, the formatting is clunky. In the Metro style app, the functions are even worse! Thus, when my textbook is open, my iPad is used side by side.

The iPad is also more portable than a traditional laptop. For example once on a field trip to a muesam, my teacher emailed us a list of questions to answer. Trying to sit down, and type the answers on a laptop would have been much harder than just using a iPad.

Overall, I feel that iPads should be utilized in lower grades and for the higher ones, a choice should be given.
 
I think the most obvious point in the article is the school, more specifically the IT Director, didn't know what they were getting into. The Director said as much. In that scenario it seems a lot of incorrect assumptions were made. Alliflowers said it best on quote #48. The school should have laid out their plan first, decided what they wanted to accomplish, and then choose the best tool to achieve that plan. Purchasing iPads because they worked well in an elementary setting was not the smartest decision. This is less a story about iPads being poor replacents for laptops and more about the old adage: Proper planning prevents piss poor performance.

So if someone is in charge of what devices to buy, why would they pick iPads if they require so much time for planning and training? What is the benefit?
 
I think you have that backwards. OS X is a far more capable OS. Not only does it have mouse capabilities, it has file management. I'm not saying the iPad is not a useful device, but you're kidding yourself if you think a phone OS can replace a desktop environment.
I agree with you but Apple as of lately has been doing the opposite of what the customers want.
Music n cloud changes, no hardware refresh, flat interface, new iOS n OS X every year, forcing software and hardware updates; ie FaceTime support, Mac Pro and mini not compatible w iTunes 12 and iOS 9; obsoleting relatively new devices and desktops.
 
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Apple doesnt want the iPad to "replace" computers for heavy lifting. The whole point of the iPad Pro is for light work and heavy consumption (which is what most of us do after a long day at work). The retina macbook will soon replace the Macbook Air and be the laptop of choice for many people.

For example. At work I use a 5K iMac for doing heavy creative tasks. But at home I use an iPad pro for EVERYTHING and have done so for a couple of years now (since the Air 2). I've gone months without turning on my home iMac. I also have a friend who recently tried out using an Air 2 at home instead of a macbook and he hasn't looked back. Like I said, many of us come home and just want a simple, elegant experience for consumption/texting/videos/news. The iPad accomplishes those tasks MUCH nicer than a laptop.

Moral of the story is that MANY people don't really need much more than an iPad. If you need a bit more, get the iPad Pro. Otherwise get a computer and be happy with that.
 
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Laters iPad and iPhone make very decent videos with even superior audio quality. People notice.
https://twitter.com/marcoarment/status/734027301130784768

The iPad and iPhone are the best camera in your pocket in the moment. That's all. (Well maybe not the iPad in your pocket, but on your person lol)

You're not going to see them be used for proper things that aren't Apple paid promotional pieces like fashion catwalk shows and other paid endorsements like that.
 
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Not surprised. Back when I was in school in Maine, we were given iBook G3's and the program was wildly successful to both teachers and students. While the iPad has made some nice advances, it's hard to beat the productivity of a laptop.
 
You know, reading the comments here, I can't help but wonder just how much of the problem is due to the limitations of the iPad, and how much is due to the close-mindedness of the people using them and their unwillingness / inability to change their usage patterns.

There might be an element of this, but plenty of things that are very easily done on a laptop, are hard to do on an iPad without jumping through loops, at which point you ask, why bother? If doing something on an iPad requires more effort than on a desktop computer, why do it on an iPad at all.
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It is much simpler to use and don't have all problems that PC / Mac users have to deal with

Its simpler to use for a lot of consumption tasks, but start doing work and while a lot of it can be done, some things that are dead simple to do on a desktop computer become a chore, they involve jumping through bloody hoops just to do the most simple things.

Add 4K video camera and software to the price of a PC. you can shoot 4K video on iPad. Price of professional video editing software is cheaper on iPad. You get iMove for free and you can get Pinnacle Studio. You can get 256 GB SSD iPad and use cloud storage or external NAS to store work that done previously. That's more than enough.

You've got to be kidding. The quality you get out of the iPad's camera is medium quality home movie standard at best. Editing on an iPad is so very limited. Professionals are NOT flocking to the iPad Pro to use it to film and edit, its just too limited.

iPads are great devices, and in my opinion good for education, but they are still very limited in a lot of ways.
 
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I think the problem is that plenty of schools will introduce technology for the heck of it. Money is dumped on iPads but no thought is put into making them work in schools, not to mention that technology is not even needed in many of the situations that it is shoehorned into. Teachers need to be trained and good workflows and integration need to be identified and taught.
This people make me sick. They expect to throw hundreds iPad into their school and do nothing for technology do all job for them. You can't just give every student an iPad and expect something. You have to change your system, to control usage with so easy with 9.3. They need to change. They replace iPad devices with laptop not because iPas is worse but because they choose old system over change.

True in part. One of the biggest failings I saw was my local district. The administration and teachers union watched presentations and a great dog-n-pony show about what can be accomplished from Apple and Pearson and pretty much bought into it hook, line, and sinker.
Then when things didn't pan out ...
Now they are using Chromebook's and phasing out the iPads.
 
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Umm, how about they do the same for the Los Angeles Unified School District that they actually charged higher than retail price for each iPad to?
 
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So if someone is in charge of what devices to buy, why would they pick iPads if they require so much time for planning and training? What is the benefit?
People at the school clearly don't know anything about what they are buying other than an iPad is much cheaper than a laptop. Bean counters don't necessarily know anything about what good tech is for their situation.......look at Tim Cook. It's clear he has very little vision compared to Steve and has to rely much more on the executive team.
 
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Love it when 21 year olds call themselves old lol

Back in my day, people didn't even have cell phones. Not even basic flip phones. If you wanted to get a call, you needed to be at home. Tech these days...kids are incredibly spoiled

Obviously I'm not that old, but I mean it's weird to notice a slight generation gap already. I felt spoiled with my 2nd gen iPod Touch but my sister has an iPhone and iPad at the same age (iPhone 4 nowadays is just really cheap).
 
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You've got to be kidding. The quality you get out of the iPad's camera is medium quality home movie standard at best. Editing on an iPad is so very limited. Professionals are NOT flocking to the iPad Pro to use it to film and edit, its just too limited.

iPads are great devices, and in my opinion good for education, but they are still very limited in a lot of ways.

Newest 9.7 iPad Pro has the same camera as iPhone 6S. Lots of professional nowadays shoot video on DSLR cameras and current iPad and iPhone camera is not worse. Some people notices it: https://twitter.com/marcoarment/status/734027301130784768
 
I use iPad Air 2 as my main computing device and manage to do quite a few things on it. I did have to change my workflow from a laptop quite a bit, but now that I am used to it, it runs super smooth for me. Apple just had to put more time into laptop > tablet transition. Using iPads like toys in class is probably a teacher's issue.
 
Isn't that simply a discipline issue? You can just as easily watch videos and play games on a legacy laptop or Chromebook.

Partially, sure, but iPad games for example are just really easy to get, have great quality and are mostly free. iPad is more 'fun' than a laptop, especially when it's less easy to do real work on it.
 
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It is a behavioural issue, and a generalised problem with technology being chucked to solve problems that don't really exist, with little thought given to management. Laptops have been easier to control traditionally with programs available to control what students can do.Apple was really slow introducing it with iOS 9.3, so many schools are not aware of it, and would need to completely re deployed to fit the new system.

Yes but ... One of the big benefits that was pushed by Pearson was having up to date curriculum content instead of spending mega-bucks trying to keep current text-books.
While growing up and later watching my eldest kids, a tough issue was the lack of current information for classroom use. This has the potential to mitigate that.
But ...
 
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