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Umm. Yeah. Compare Microsoft's and Apple's workforce. Or Sony's and Apple's. They are magnitudes smaller. When you understand that, then look at the fact that out of those three companies, only one produces their own hardware and software exclusively.

And HP has twice as many employees as Sony. And Red Hat has less than 1/10th as many as Apple. Number of employees doesn't matter. Really. As long as you have enough to get the job done, it gets done.

Apple has plenty of employees to work on this with if they wanted to. They just don't want to. I don't blame them.
 
Somewhat. The "late 2006" models have the Merom (Core 2 Duo) chips. And the chipset *DOES* support 4 GB of RAM, just fine. (Per Intel.) And, again, the Mac Pro (that is on the 'unsupported' list,) has Xeon 5100-series processors on the Intel 5000 chipset, which is absolutely, positively 64-bit capable. (Supports up to 64 GB of RAM.)

But the "early 2006" models have the older "Yonah" (Core Duo) chip, which is only 32-bit. (But, for that matter, Intel's 32-bit processors have supported more than 4 GB of RAM since the Pentium Pro was released in 1997; through a technology called "Physical Address Extension". Still limited to 4 GB per individual process, but the system and OS can support far more. For example, I had a Pentium Pro server in 2000 with 16 GB of RAM in it.)

64-bit isn't the determinant here.
The 945GM/PM chipsets are limited to 32-bit memory addressing. You can run a 64-bit operating system but you'll have to take a cut from the 4 GB addressing from system RAM for other peripherals.
 
Umm. Yeah. Compare Microsoft's and Apple's workforce. Or Sony's and Apple's. They are magnitudes smaller. When you understand that, then look at the fact that out of those three companies, only one produces their own hardware and software exclusively.

Um, then hire more people. Apple has some of the largest margins in the industry for a hardware maker.
 
Looks like the early 2006 Core Solo/Duo Mac mini is supported-while the early 2006 iMac will not be supported

Correct. And the "Early 2006" and "Late 2006" iMacs are unsupported, while the "Mid 2006" iMac IS supported.

It's the graphics chip, pure and simple. ATI/AMD doesn't provide official support for the Radeon X1600 or X1900 in Windows 7, so Apple can't provide graphics drivers for them. Intel does provide support for the GMA 950 in Windows 7, so Apple can provide those drivers.

What bothers me (even though I don't have one,) is the lack of support for the original Mac Pro. I mean, it shipped with a GeForce 7600 card as standard, which is supported in Windows 7. The Radeon X1900 was an additional-cost upgrade. Just put in a checker into the OS X Boot Camp Assistant to see what video card you have, and pop up a big nasty warning "YOUR VIDEO CARD IS NOT SUPPORTED IN WINDOWS 7!"
 
So is my iMac finally "old" now? I mean, geez, its only a 17" white one from late 2006. C'mon... 3 years ain't nothin'. :D

Actually, I'm quite surprised - it IS three years old and I'm STILL happy with its performance (most of the time). Do I want a new one? Heck yeah! But mostly for the huge 27" screen and 16GB RAM limit (I'm limited at 3GB... grr...)
 
Um, then hire more people. Apple has some of the largest margins in the industry for a hardware maker.

Apple selectively hires who they view as the best people out there. That is why you have people like Roz Ho who lead Project Pink into disaster. Not only that but they have to compete with Google for those kinds of people and though some may love to work for Jobs, others can't take the stress.

And HP has twice as many employees as Sony. And Red Hat has less than 1/10th as many as Apple. Number of employees doesn't matter. Really. As long as you have enough to get the job done, it gets done.

Apple has plenty of employees to work on this with if they wanted to. They just don't want to. I don't blame them.

What does Red Hat have to do with this? They do about 1/10 the stuff that Apple does. If you desperately need to perfectly run an OS natively that just came out today and which is not being used widely by any business as of yet, you should have bought a Windows machine.

You have no idea how many people they have available to work on this and yes it does matter. They've had to move many of the OS X people onto the iPhone OS (like a Forstall). It is part of the reason why OSX development has slightly slowed down to the point where Microsoft is up to the performance of Leopard instead of usually being 5 or 6 years behind.
 
...try and use Win7's virtualization program to run XP...in essence running a virtual machine inside a virtual machine?

It simply won't work to run Virtual PC within a VM - the hardware running the host OS must support VT.

The physical machine has VT, which supports the first virtual machine. That VM, however, doesn't have VT support, so it can't run Virtual PC.

Only ISA emulators like QEMU can run VMs within VMs.


Even 32bit Mac OS can take >4gb of ram if the mobo supports it.

Like Windows 32-bit for the last 10 years...


So you would design a product to work with something that is not even known yet? You need to take some courses in economics.

At the driver level, Windows 7 is a minor tweak to Vista (hence the "Windows 6.1" internal version number).

The FT was public in January, the RC in May, and RTM since the latter part of July.

Apple's had basically 3 months with the final bits, and seems to have done nothing other than come up with the list of systems that it won't support.

Really bad form - it shows the rotten side of Apple.


...runnning a 64 bit kernel or 32 bit kernel, makes no perceptible performance difference in Mac OS X.

This is simply wrong. The 32-bit kernel on 10.6 is slower when running 64-bit apps than the 64-bit kernel.

"Snow Leopard will deliver both a 64-bit kernel and a full set of 64-bit bundled apps, erasing the entire TLB flush issue because the new kernel won't have to share any address space, even when running 32-bit apps (below right).

This will benefit all 64-bit Mac users with a Core 2 CPU or better, even those lacking a Santa Rosa platform-style chipset, as being able to run 64-bit code and virtual memory is not tied to the amount of addressable system RAM,"

http://macdailynews.com/index.php/weblog/comments/18349/

I'd suggest using your favorite internet search tool and look for 'osx performance tlb '64-bit'" if you want to understand why.
 
Don't worry, Apple will find many more ways to artificially diminish the value of your Mac over time.

Tell me about it. This is just unacceptable that less than 3 years after I purchased a $2000 computer, it is already unsupported. :mad:

Really Apple? Will you stop supporting the Core Duo's in next OS X release? Then how will you manage the artificially make my Core 2 Duo model obsolete?
 
How do I know what year I bought my MBP in?

Look it up through your serial number. You can find it out online, just google, and there should be a few sites. (I think you can find out directly through apple also.)
 
Look it up through your serial number. You can find it out online, just google, and there should be a few sites. (I think you can find out directly through apple also.)

Sweet mine is Mid 2007 I am good - now should I spend the $29.99 to buy windows or just keep XP...?

Anyone need help getting a legal version of Windows 7 for $29.99 (student discount program) I have many friends that will not be taking advantage of this deal and might just jump on it and sell them for more or just hook other up with the a deal.
 
I find it a bit funny that apple are no longer supporting the old models on Windows 7 yet they work fine with vista.

90% of the drivers on windows 7 are identical to the ones on vista and ms even kept the version code the same 6.x to allow easier coding so its not like new code is needed.

Oh well thats apple for you but the likelihood is that most of those would work fine on windows 7 using the vista drivers from bootcamp.
 
How did you install it? I tried two different Windows 7 install DVDs but they both hang when you try to boot them.

Don't use the beta ISO, use the finalized version ;)

"Recently" is a flexible term and can mean many things depending on the context.

Fact: W7 isn't a product when MBP was first released.

No, however when I got my Macbook Pro, Vista was the current Microsoft OS. This means that Apple is not supporting a SINGLE WINDOWS OS upgrade on my machine.

Also, this has NOTHING to do with the video card. How do I know this? Simple: Because I booted up into Windows 7 on my "unsupported" MBP, and Windows automatically found and installed video card drivers for it.
 
Tell that to the myriad of 3rd party hardware vendors that don't support Windows 7.;)

Funny. That "myriad" never affected me. My graphics driver, network driver, disk controller driver, and others were ready when I downloaded the Beta, the RC, and the RTM.

For most things, though, it was simply "load the Vista x86/x64 driver" and go.

Even for laptops, all the strange power management and function key stuff from Vista, even the fingerprint readers, "just worked".

And, I could log into the guest account without all of my files disappearing! :eek:
 
Funny. That "myriad" never affected me. My graphics driver, network driver, disk controller driver, and others were ready when I downloaded the Beta, the RC, and the RTM.

For most things, though, it was simply "load the Vista x86/x64 driver" and go.

Even for laptops, all the strange power management and function key stuff from Vista, even the fingerprint readers, "just worked".

And, I could log into the guest account without all of my files disappearing! :eek:

It may not have affected you but it sure has affected a LOT of people.

Can't find the correct drivers,drivers not compatible.
The list goes on and you know it Aiden.
 
Sweet mine is Mid 2007 I am good - now should I spend the $29.99 to buy windows or just keep XP...?

Anyone need help getting a legal version of Windows 7 for $29.99 (student discount program) I have many friends that will not be taking advantage of this deal and might just jump on it and sell them for more or just hook other up with the a deal.

I think you need a vista key to use the upgrade. It's an upgrade, not the actual OS install disk.
 
I bought the Professional Version, but I think I'll be using the RC version until late February. It'll give me a chance to checkout the evaluation copies of Photoshop CS3 and CS4.
 
I bought the Professional Version, but I think I'll be using the RC version until late February. It'll give me a chance to checkout the evaluation copies of Photoshop CS3 and CS4.

Do you plan to sell the unopened Pro copy if you don't like CS4?

I can't think of any other reason to run unsupported beta software when you have the released version in your hand....
 
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