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For 7 years I have been hearing the insanely myopic praises of Apple robots.

Let's put this company in perspective, now:

• Siri is retarded and a half-baked kids toy that can't do or answer much
• iTunes is wrecked and the store is a mess of uncategorized music which limits a buyer into a frustrated corner and out the door.... only good for Lady Gaga and U2 and whatever garbage band du jour is on the top
• MacPro is 5.5 years out, and the days lengthen while the PC market is perfectly up to date
• MacMini is now an overpriced computer and lost sight of the original intent
• MacBooks have nutty keyboards
• AirPower choked and died before release
• Apple's home speaker is just another clone, with a retarded AI
• The Apple Car is failed
• VR or AR is something Apple MIGHT do in a few years, meanwhile I went PC and got Oculus like so many others
• Apple isn't disclosing full financial records to investors
• iPhones have increased in price==a lot
• iPads aren't making bold advances to where they could be to take over the art and video market

And let's be positive....

iMacs are kinda keeping up
• MacBook Pros are kinda keeping up
• iPhones sell a lot
• Lots of emojis!!
• Apple is fighting for gay rights, because that's what they are all about since Jobs died
• Orange man bad
• There's an Apple Watch! WOO! The shackle's back, y'all.

And that's all.


Hi @Lesser Evets I enjoyed your post and agree with much of it but can I just take exception with the bold part.

The iMacs at the low end still ship with non retina screen and 5400 rpm spinning hard drives for $1000 +.

That is absolutely mind blowing in 2019.
 
Hello @chfilm.

Couple of things..

1. I'm not refusing to use AirPods I own AirPods. Its not always appropriate to use bluetooth earphones with limited battery life on conference calls.

2. If I can't plug the earphones that shipped with my £1200 Apple phone or the phone itself into my £1700 Apple laptop without an adapter or paying apples extortionate pricing for an extra cable that's not a "cohesive experience" that is a mess.

There is currently no way at all to use the wired EarPods that ship with the current iPhones with a Mac.

3. Apple needs to work out what I/O standards and proprietary connectors it wants to support. Currently we have..

iPads that ship with USB C and smart connectors but no headphone jack
iPads that ship with lightning and a headphone jack
iPads that ship with lightning and smart connectors and a headphone jack
iPhones all ship with lightning but no headphone jack
Macs that ship with only USB C and Thunderbolt 3 and a headphone jack
Macs that ship with USB C but not Thunderbolt 3 and a headphone jack
Macs that ship with USB C/Thunderbolt 3 and USB 3.1 Gen 1 and a headphone jack


4. Apple could ship that USB C to lightning cable in the box with its new iPhone so that its customers could have a "cohesive experience" when they try to connect them to their USB C Mac but Apple cares more about profit and would rather its customers paid extra for it.
Agree about the mess that the current state of connectors is. Especially when traveling it can get annoying fast.
 
Just because you’re refusing to use AirPods and a usb c to lightning cable doesn’t mean that Apple’s ecosystem is flawed right now.

The point being made was that "out of the box" after spending close to 5-10k on the devices themselves, they still don't all connect well with eachother. the only 2ndary purchase in that picture is the USB-C to USB-A adapter, because no USB-A on the Mac.

you're direct response is just "BUY MORE APPLE STUFF TO SOLVE THAT!". and that's the point being made. Right now for the "it just works" mentality that Apple is supposed to have, you need to continuously fork over more money above and beyond the devices.

everything is being driven right now by "how can we make the most money off our customers" and not "how can we provide the best products to our customers"

in almost every other competing ecosystem right now. listening to your music while charging your phone would be quite literally a single USB-A to USB-C cable and your headphones plugged in. that's simple. it all comes in the box.

right now, straight out of the box. Apple's devices aren't able to do this. Which is a far cry from "it just works"
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Elon Musk is notorious for making promises he can't keep, especially with regard to delivery dates. He would take Apple in new and exciting directions, but definitely not back to the Apple everyone seems to want.

Might work (i'm not endorsing it though, don't think it would be a good fit). Apple Under jobs didn't have set deadliens for it's products when they were new. In fact, most of us never even knew they were being worked on. So there were no real public deadlines to meat. We just got to be wowwed when Apple decided it was ready. So it could work for Apple if they go back to those roots. Instead of playing "me too" and announcing things without valid evidence of consumer viability (do they think they're google now :p)
 
iMac? You can't repair it anymore because they glued the screen.
5400rpm?

Please try harder.
New technology came out called "solid state drives". You can get them on any iMac.

Mac is doing fine even if you don't know how to buy the right one.
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But isn't that all Apple really needed to do in the first instance? Charge the Watch, an iPhone, and AirPods simultaneously......so 3 coils?
ChoeTech even have a 5 coil wireless pad, which Ive tested, and that worked wonderfully well - I felt as though I could place the iPhone almost anywhere and it would begin charging. I can't understand why Apple were not able to do this?

Rather than scrap the entire project, surely they could have gone 5 coil instead?
Unless there is another issue I'm not foreseeing......


Why couldn't Apple just do this rather than drop the entire project?
No. Apple believed that was a bad experience. They wanted to create a charger where you can put any device literally anywhere. Multi-coil charging pads are terrible. If you put the device a little off perfectly aligned your devices don't get charged.
 
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The new MacBook Pros were fairly poor considering how mature a product it was and how great the 2013-2015 models were. They were a step backwards in a lot of ways.

The HomePod was fairly pointless which is why it hardly sold.

The first version of the Apple Watch wasn't very good.

Apple Music had a very dodgy start.

The 2014 Mac Mini was poor pretty much a downgrade on the previous gen, wasn't updated for four years after its release either.

EDIT: Sorry I forgot another one, The 2013 Mac Pro the one that they admitted was poorly designed and hasn't been updated since.
The new MacBook pros have issues. So did every other MacBook Pro before it. I remember having issues with my display in my 2012 pro and people were saying to check which display you have.

HomePod isn’t expected to take over the entire market. It’s an expensive smart speaker. What did you expect?

The first version of anything isn’t usually great. Neither was the iPhone. First iPhone didn’t even have 3g, copy and paste or mms. Do we call that a failure despite the fact it changed the world? Apple Watch is now THE wearable that the entire market is judged by. So I don’t even know why you list this

Point is, you can find things you don’t like at ANY time in history. Remember mobile me under Steve Jobs? Ping? Issues with MacBooks and iMacs? Things didn’t just start going wrong recently. It’s part of doing business
 
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How hard is it to plug in a phone while you sleep? I don't see what the big deal is with wireless charging, it's hardly life changing. You still need a wire to plug in the mat that performs the "wireless" charging, the whole thing is ridiculous.

Well, now that Apple isn’t going to release a wireless charger, wireless charging is unnecessary. If they did release it, it would have been vital and you wouldn’t be able to live without it. I hope that clears things up a bit. :D
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Guys guys guys, its an April fools joke. Macrumors has these every year. Just relax. Its coming

That’s what I was thinking too, but they could be setting themselves up for some problems by doing so. This isn’t like the MacBook Wheel. It’s all over the internet.
 
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The new MacBook pros have issues. So did every other MacBook Pro before it. I remember having issues with my display in my 2012 pro and people were saying to check which display you have.

HomePod isn’t expected to take over the entire market. It’s an expensive smart speaker. What did you expect?

The first version of anything isn’t usually great. Neither was the iPhone. First iPhone didn’t even have 3g, copy and paste or mms. Do we call that a failure despite the fact it changed the world? Apple Watch is now THE wearable that the entire market is judged by. So I don’t even know why you list this

Point is, you can find things you don’t like at ANY time in history. Remember mobile me under Steve Jobs? Ping? Issues with MacBooks and iMacs? Things didn’t just start going wrong recently. It’s part of doing business

There have been issues with MacBook Pros before but never as many as this generation. The iPhone was brand new and defined a category also it didn't take a mature product and make it worse.
 
Seems a little disingenuous to launch airpods 2 a week before... and then cancel it... what would the difference in sales have been if people knew his beforehand?

I have to be honest with you, I’m absolutely stunned that there is a significant number of people who were not only holding out for AirPower, but making purchasing decisions in anticipation of it’s release.

The idea that people actually bought the wirelessly charging AirPods solely because they believed that they would be able to charge them on the AirPower mat boggles my mind. I mean, you can charge them on any qi certified mat. Is it really that important that you be able to charge them on an apple product?
 
The point being made was that "out of the box" after spending close to 5-10k on the devices themselves, they still don't all connect well with eachother. the only 2ndary purchase in that picture is the USB-C to USB-A adapter, because no USB-A on the Mac.

you're direct response is just "BUY MORE APPLE STUFF TO SOLVE THAT!". and that's the point being made. Right now for the "it just works" mentality that Apple is supposed to have, you need to continuously fork over more money above and beyond the devices.

everything is being driven right now by "how can we make the most money off our customers" and not "how can we provide the best products to our customers"

in almost every other competing ecosystem right now. listening to your music while charging your phone would be quite literally a single USB-A to USB-C cable and your headphones plugged in. that's simple. it all comes in the box.

right now, straight out of the box. Apple's devices aren't able to do this. Which is a far cry from "it just works"

Yeah, even though it's cheaper to buy a USB C to lightning cable instead of the adaptor. I can also go out of my way to craft some absurd scenario involving a dozen different adaptors and cables all coiled around my body and me facepalming. Doesn't mean anything, especially if it's not representative of how people actually use their devices in real life.

Furthermore, at least I have the option of paying more to get a more cohesive experience on iOS.

On Android, no amount of money will get my apps like Tweetbot, Apollo, Fantastical or Overcast on my smartphone, or apps like lumafusion or affinity photo on my iPad.

Likewise, Apple is willing to bankroll companies to create quality, non-freemium-based games for its users to counteract the infestation of IAP-laden games. I don't think it's unreasonable that users pay a monthly subscription to access this, since I don't see why Apple should have to offer it for free. Again, you don't have to subscribe if you don't wish to spend the money.

Apple News prioritise privacy and curation, something few other companies are doing (which is also probably why it's so slow to roll out to other countries). Likewise, the Apple Card promises better protection of your personal details, does away with the various misc fees, and makes your financial details more accessible and transparent to you, which in turn allows for better financial discipline and education. The Apple TV app also promises a central viewing experience based around curation, as opposed to Netflix where curation is practically non-existent.

Meanwhile, family sharing means that with enough users, all these can be had for cheaper than competing alternatives.

That the lightning EarPods that come with my iPhone don't work with my Mac or my iPad Pro is besides the point. You have seen my home charging setup in a photo I shared a couple of photos back. I got this 6-port USB charging hub many years ago, and it's still working fine. My 5w-chargers, EarPods, headphone adaptors and many a lightning cables are all still sitting untouched in their original packaging.

These accessories are all one-time purchases. I would still have bought them even if I had bought android smartphones or windows PCs.

It's funny how the goalposts keep moving. First, it's that Apple doesn't offer cohesive experiences. Now, it's that users have to pay to get them. Which was never my point in the first place. My point is that at the end of the day, I am able to get the integrated experience I want on the Apple platform, and I have no qualms about paying for it.

Compared with say Samsung, whose software and services portfolio is practically non-existent.

At least I have the option of paying more to get a more cohesive experience on iOS.
 
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So let me get this straight.

It’s been confirmed that these AirPods were done and ready in 2018 before Christmas and just sitting in a warehouse somewhere, waiting for Christmas and the return period for Christmas purchases to pass before being released.

NOW.... they wait for the AirPods with wireless case to be released, wait a while for the initial rush of online sales and in stores sales to happen, then cancel a huge part of some people’s decision to pay the premium for the wireless option.

You would think at some point a company with such a huge following and $$$ would sometimes do the right thing.

I miss Steve Jobs for real for real.
 
So let me get this straight.

It’s been confirmed that these AirPods were done and ready in 2018 before Christmas and just sitting in a warehouse somewhere, waiting for Christmas and the return period for Christmas purchases to pass before being released.

NOW.... they wait for the AirPods with wireless case to be released, wait a while for the initial rush of online sales and in stores sales to happen, then cancel a huge part of some people’s decision to pay the premium for the wireless option.

You would think at some point a company with such a huge following and $$$ would sometimes do the right thing.

I miss Steve Jobs for real for real.

Where has it been confirmed that the AirPods were ready?
 
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This takes me back to when wireless chargers started arriving a few years ago and the argument being 'you still have to plug in the charger, so it is not really wireless'.

Often followed up with 'Apple will do this right and have a charger that doesn't even need to be close to the phone!'.

And here we are, years later...
 
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How hard is it to plug in a phone while you sleep? I don't see what the big deal is with wireless charging, it's hardly life changing. You still need a wire to plug in the mat that performs the "wireless" charging, the whole thing is ridiculous.

Agree with this TBH.
Ive used wireless charges in the past - once the initial 'wow' factor wore off I just went back to cable charging. Plug my devices in at night while I sleep, and I have enough juice for the whole day......

I can see it being more useful in other scenarios - in a vehicle, for instance - for for use at home its not such a beg deal....for me at least......
 
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who said plugging in the phone was hard :p

it's not about difficulty. it's just an ADDITIONAL choice in method to charge that adds minor convenience of just "putting your phone down"

are you really arguing that because it's not some astronomically new method that changes your world, that you can't also include it?


it's an option. you now have 2 options for how to charge your phone instead of 1. and youur arguing that's bad because 'plugging it in is easy enough'
 
Ive used wireless charges in the past - once the initial 'wow' factor wore off I just went back to cable charging.

This really puzzles me. I have never looked back after going wireless a couple of years ago. Just plop the phone on the charger when I go to bed and it is ready with a full charge the next morning. I see no advantages at all using wired charging these days - the one exception being when travelling and the wired charger is smaller and easier to put in your bag.
 
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This really puzzles me. I have never looked back after going wireless a couple of years ago. Just plop the phone on the charger when I go to bed and it is ready with a full charge the next morning. I see no advantages at all using wired charging these days - the one exception being when travelling and the wired charger is smaller and easier to put in your bag.
It's hit or miss for me. For something like AirPods or throwing my phone on a charging pad in the middle of the day I use a Mophie. When I charge my phone at night I use the lightning cable.
 
But isn't that all Apple really needed to do in the first instance? Charge the Watch, an iPhone, and AirPods simultaneously......so 3 coils?
ChoeTech even have a 5 coil wireless pad, which Ive tested, and that worked wonderfully well - I felt as though I could place the iPhone almost anywhere and it would begin charging. I can't understand why Apple were not able to do this?

Rather than scrap the entire project, surely they could have gone 5 coil instead?
Unless there is another issue I'm not foreseeing......


Why couldn't Apple just do this rather than drop the entire project?
In a word, no.
 
You literally said EXACTLY that...


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Wireless power engineers are not the same people that would have worked on keyboards. Like a plumber being asked to fix your electrics.

I like how you said that I said something and than quoted me saying something else. Great job.
 
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