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For anyone interested, MKBHD released an explanation of what seems to have happened here.

Long story short, it appears that Apple couldn’t solve the “put your devices anywhere on the mat” problem which sounds trivial, but is a big deal. You’d have to have a ton of coils overlaying each other and figure out what to do with all the heat generated. It would have been an incredible feat of engineering if they pulled it off.

I know there are lots of disappointed people, and Apple does look kinda goofy here, but kudos to them for giving it a shot. I think the real mistake was announcing it too early. And let’s be honest, the writing has been on the wall for a looooong time.

The Apollo program was an incredible feat of engineering. This was just a charging mat.
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Maybe they couldn’t price it high enough
The engineers probably had it working flawlessly and ready for mass production but Tim realized he would be making 10 cents less per unit than he wanted.
 
Well, this is the Apple of today... They cannot even develop a wireless charger...
Why did they announce this in the first place???
It seems like they do this all the time now.
"Coming This Fall"
"Coming this Spring"
"Coming this Summer", and putting ants in everyone's pants.
Why don't they just announce stuff when it's ready and not put themselves in this inflammatory position in the first place?
JUST WHY?
 
It sounds like you're arguing semantics. Yes, the word "wireless" is technically accurate, but these charging mats don't fulfill the expected meaning of wireless compared to what I already know (wifi, LTE, airplay, etc). When something is called wireless, I expect it to work like all the other wireless devices I have.
Meets my expectation of wireless. No wire plugged into phone. Place phone on pad. Charge. Pick up phone to use other side of room. Return, place phone on pad. Charge etc etc No wire being unplugged and re-plugged into phone etc etc.
 
The Apollo program was an incredible feat of engineering. This was just a charging mat.

The fact that a given kind of technology has a trivial application doesn’t automatically mean that accomplishing it is a trivial task (this seems obvious but maybe it’s not).

If Apple wanted to release “just a charging mat”, they would have done that years ago.
 
If it were Samsung, they would release the product and let it blow up.
This is so sweet, you think things that wernt funny in 2015 are actually funny in 2019, you sir are fantastic!!!
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It is not my fault that it took you 18 months to realise in which way Apple's approach for AirPower differs from existing charging mats that have multiple parts to charge multiple devices. I am merely describing that difference (and Apple's motivations behind it). But you go ahead and keep shooting the messenger that brought you that information. If you didn't understand until now why AirPower was technically noticeably more difficult than existing combinations of multiple charging 'mats', that is on you, not on me.

And for you putting words in my mouth implying that me saying 'technically simpler' is akin to calling it 'a piece of junk', I think that falls under the category of slander.
#stopbeingsoprescious!!
 
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Such a humorous hypocrital statement LOL

You do realize these are ultimately matters of opinions and it’s actually illogical for you to believe you know better than anyone else?
It seems you’re under the mistaken assumption that all opinions are equally correct. You have your opinion, but it is wrong—and I told you exactly why, and where your thinking was in error.

You: Hardware engineers couldn’t make AirPower work because Apple was “too busy working on television programming and credit cards”

Me: yeah that makes exactly zero sense, did you really just write that? Here are the reasons why that’s an ignorant statement.

You: Well, whatever you said, I’ll pretend it didn’t reduce my idiotic statement to rubble. And for good measure, I’ll repeat the same illogical statement, again unsupported by any evidence or reasoning.

Me: Feel free to post random, wrong crap, but since we’re not having a discussion, leave me out of it.

You: You’re a hypocrite! Apparently I think that means your fact-based counter argument can’t possibly have any more validity than the illogical crap I post. All opinions are equally correct, facts are unimportant and can be ignored.

Yikes.

If you want to have a discussion, we can have a back and forth dialog. Here’s where we’re at:

You think hardware engineers couldn’t make AirPower work because Apple was too busy working on television programming and credit cards

I told you I disagree because the AirPower hardware engineers weren’t busy with anything except AirPower. 100% of their effort was on trying to make AirPower happen. They were completely unaffected in that work by television programming and credit cards, because Apple had other people working on those projects. Apple can do that, because they have lots of money and lots of people.

Your turn. Go.
 
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But isn't that all Apple really needed to do in the first instance? Charge the Watch, an iPhone, and AirPods simultaneously......so 3 coils?
ChoeTech even have a 5 coil wireless pad, which Ive tested, and that worked wonderfully well - I felt as though I could place the iPhone almost anywhere and it would begin charging. I can't understand why Apple were not able to do this?

Rather than scrap the entire project, surely they could have gone 5 coil instead?
Unless there is another issue I'm not foreseeing......


Why couldn't Apple just do this rather than drop the entire project?


Wow. they should have hired you. They messed up. Your technical knowledge is beyond anything Apple has ever seen. You could have done this. Oh well, they lost out.
 
APPLE IS FAILING ABOUT BOTH INNOVATION AND EXECUTION.
Yes, Apple does NOT innovate anymore. The entire computer line up is outdated and overpriced.
Upgrade cycles have become a joke.

Despite the Apple watch there were not a single product that was actually innovative that dirupted the market.
Even worse Apple is not even keeping decent products updated they just change the internals.

The last time Apple updated the iMAc design was 10 years ago. Mac Pro 6 years and Counting. Mac Mini, same case than 4 years ago, still problems with heating and way overpriced. Macbooks Pro one of the worse products ever designed, with a keyboard that been having problems since 2016.

The upgrades announced during the entire week before the event were all a joke.

Is that INNOVATIVE???
It seems like they do this all the time now.
"Coming This Fall"
"Coming this Spring"
"Coming this Summer", and putting ants in everyone's pants.
Why don't they just announce stuff when it's ready and not put themselves in this inflammatory position in the first place?
JUST WHY?

its called arrogance since they think
the iphone will save them from everything
 
RIP AirPower. Tried to do too much with a single device. Usually that results in failure. No surprise here.
 
But isn't that all Apple really needed to do in the first instance? Charge the Watch, an iPhone, and AirPods simultaneously......so 3 coils?
ChoeTech even have a 5 coil wireless pad, which Ive tested, and that worked wonderfully well - I felt as though I could place the iPhone almost anywhere and it would begin charging. I can't understand why Apple were not able to do this?

Rather than scrap the entire project, surely they could have gone 5 coil instead?
Unless there is another issue I'm not foreseeing......


Why couldn't Apple just do this rather than drop the entire project?
They skipped it probably because they aren’t able to price it competitive and no one (a few, who think all things Apple are magical) will buy it for its price. Timmy grabbed his calculator and saw profit margins of “only” 35% and told the team to skip it :rolleyes:
 
It's nice to see that even mammoth companies can't help but announce early and fail to deliver. (If you've ever worked for a sales-focused CEO, you know this pain.) This is quite the surprise. Feels like it happened because Apple organizationally just believed it could overcome problems that they HAD to be aware of from the start. Even with recent product releases they were still showing pictures. Crazy.

Turns out the problem was way harder than they thought. And frankly... I never saw the allure. I use an inductive charger on my watch because I have no other option but for the most part, wireless chargers are pretty meh—especially for the price.
 
What a lame speculative excuses.
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products that are worse now under his leadership?

MacBook Pro's - These have numerous issues. weak hinges, terrible keyboards, thermal throttling due to poor cooling.

Products with no improvements or major changes under his leadership: Mac Pro, iMac, MacBook
Products killed under his leaderhip - AirPort, Apple Display

Products that were actually ok under his leadership: The Watch

for the most part the rest of the products have been very hohumm with cook in charge. Directionless in design, driven by cost analysis.

:p but that's just one that's outright terrible. for the most part, the products aren't terrible. They're quite good. But they're not 40% more "Good" than the competition. My issue with Tim isn't necesarily the product outcome, but the business ethics and his intention.

Also: APple is not the biggest company in the world :p just as an FYI, thats a misnomer. Apple had the larges Market Capitalization for a Publicly Traded company in the world. There are a lot of companies larger by assets, and employees. There are even a few companies on paper who are bigger monetarily, but do not publicly trade (think Oil)

the market doesn't necessarily disagree with them either. While we have a short term trend at best, there's alreay the start of a trend that Apple users aren't returning for future purchases.

Last quarter, Apple's Mac Sales were the lowest in volume since 2010. the iPhone sold 9 million less units in the quarter as well. We will need to see if Apple's done something to reverse that in the months that have just past. But the question on the table is, since last quarter, has Apple done anything significant yet to move that needle? Are the iPad refreshes going to suddenly bolster where 9m iPhones and 1.5m less Macs were in decline? What about the Credit card? Is this going to offset enough? these are important questions that Tim has to navigate. In previous year, when he expected lower volumes, his reaction was "raise prices" to keep the financials up. This indicates his primary motivation in business of running Apple is appeasement to the Stock Market, in order to keep market cap high despite falling numbers.

That's never a good look for a business. Keeping market cap and profits high while volumes decrease for businesses typically end up with cost cutting measures that further affect the quality of the product. We're already seeing quality declines in the MacBook Pros because of this (the hinge defect that popped up is a direct result of a cheaply implemented hinge cable). if users continue to bleed away due to high prices with products that don't differntiate themselves high enough to be worthy of those premium prices, it will evntually show in the numbers. You'll almost never see an overnigth 100 to 0 customer drop off. But death by a thousand cuts.

Apple has typically never done well long term under the leadership of accountants and sales people. The culture of it, with claiming of products that "just work" and showcase technology in user friendly, but fashionable devices requires someone who understands those concepts and user behaviour. Tim Cook doesn't understand the user. Jobs always did well because he knew what users ultimately wanted and demanded that the products meet that. Then priced them accordingly. (even if he was a douche :p)

Tim Cook is the guy you want as your CFO or supply guy. To tell you HOW to maximize your profits on products you've already designed. But as head of the company where he's responsible as well for final say on products, he's been woefully inadequate.

who's a suitable replacement? **** if I know. there's 7 billion people on this planet. Start interviewing
Very well said :)
 
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For anyone interested, MKBHD released an explanation of what seems to have happened here.

Long story short, it appears that Apple couldn’t solve the “put your devices anywhere on the mat” problem which sounds trivial, but is a big deal. You’d have to have a ton of coils overlaying each other and figure out what to do with all the heat generated. It would have been an incredible feat of engineering if they pulled it off.

I know there are lots of disappointed people, and Apple does look kinda goofy here, but kudos to them for giving it a shot. I think the real mistake was announcing it too early. And let’s be honest, the writing has been on the wall for a looooong time.


I feel that this is the type of thing that Apple of old would have announced only when they got it working. Glad they found an avenue to explore for a better user experience, too bad they stepped in it by pre announcing the way they did.
 
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They skipped it probably because they aren’t able to price it competitive and no one (a few, who think all things Apple are magical) will buy it for its price. Timmy grabbed his calculator and saw profit margins of “only” 35% and told the team to skip it :rolleyes:
Conjectures are fun, aren’t they?
 
The reasons macs get short shrift is because they know the future of computing is not mac.
If you kill a product or neglect it before you come up with a better solution you’re gonna be sure to upset a lot of customers and drive them away from your business. And when Timmy talks about he cares deeply about his customers, he actually means investors. All his actions are investor/money driven with one goal in mind: money.
 
It seems like they do this all the time now.
"Coming This Fall"
"Coming this Spring"
"Coming this Summer", and putting ants in everyone's pants.
Why don't they just announce stuff when it's ready and not put themselves in this inflammatory position in the first place?
JUST WHY?
Because they’ve nothing to deliver. Timmy is holding his carrot in front of donkeys :D
 
They skipped it probably because they aren’t able to price it competitive and no one (a few, who think all things Apple are magical) will buy it for its price. Timmy grabbed his calculator and saw profit margins of “only” 35% and told the team to skip it :rolleyes:
i dont think so or else they would not have release the homepod as well.
 
i dont think so or else they would not have release the homepod as well.
The HomePod ended up as a real success and very competitive priced with state of the art AI. I’m still waiting for Apple to deliver it in my country as I’m still waiting for Apple Pay.
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It’s a well said opinion. As a statement of fact Tim is the ceo and will continue to be so. Also Apple had a record breaking quarter. Regardless of iPhone sales Apple just had a lesser record breaking quarter than forecast.
As I said before Timmy Crook is only deeply interested in investors and money. The products and results proof it.
 
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As I said before Timmy Crook is only deeply interested in investors and money. The products and results proof it.
Since you made a blanket statement, I’ll counter with one....no it doesn’t. Apple has been on a roll with a innovative products, even if you have no interest in them.
 
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