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I'm not an Apple hater, but I still disappointed as I own stock, and the way they've handled this particular product opens Apple wide up for lawsuits. Also, I do think Tim needs to go. Especially if he approved the announcement of a product that was only in the concept phase. Not to mention them adding it to the documentation of the products that are supposed to be able to charge of of it. I've lived Apple since I discovered them from their "I'm a Mac" commercials. But the last few years haven't left me hopeful. :-(
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Nice! I'm going to check this out. Hope it works with the Airpods!
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I totally agree. I'm not mad they tried. I'm annoyed with how it was handled.
How many shares do you own?

The board disagrees with you as Tim got a full endorsement. He’s doing a fantastic job, outperforming the S&P 500 and his compensation is based on that outperformance.

If you think Apple has fallen and Tim needs to go, why are you holding the shares?

You are talking completely nonsense. This is an accessory that never was released. Go back at look at Jobs and his flubs. He released an iPhone with an antenna that could not receive signal with your hand in the way.

Complete rose colored glasses.
 
Seriously, Give me a break.

Did you forget the problems Apple had under Jobs? Remember you’re holding it wrong? This was a design flaw in the iPhone to the point they had to offer a free bumper case. The iPhone is the most MAJOR product in the world and they screwed it up. This is an accessory 99% of people forgot was going to exist.

You also ignored several post Jobs innovations, such as Airpods, Watch, silicon, and iPad.

As usual, you’re with everyone overreacting. This isn’t a good look, but it’s a freaking charging accessory that was never going to move the needle. It was cancelled (correctly) when it was clear the project was doomed. Better to cancel and lose a tiny bit of credibility than to launch a product with problems and get headlines for burning down a house.
There is no overreaction. It appears to be so evident there are those who are so entrenched in the old Apple that the bias present can't get past the person who is the current CEO, the decisions the current CEO made (has been making) and the direction that the new CEO has taken Apple. Unless it came from SJ, there has been no innovation at Apple in the last x years. This in spite of their Apple stock is worth a pretty penny more than it was when they bought it years ago.

The airpower has become a metaphor for people taking biased potshots at Apple.
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It’s all negative with Apple nowadays.
Timmy is running the company into the ground.
One would hope Stevey is turning over in his grave.
 
There is no overreaction. It appears to be so evident there are those who are so entrenched in the old Apple that the bias present can't get past the person who is the current CEO, the decisions the current CEO made (has been making) and the direction that the new CEO has taken Apple. Unless it came from SJ, there has been no innovation at Apple in the last x years. This in spite of their Apple stock is worth a pretty penny more than it was when they bought it years ago.

The airpower has become a metaphor for people taking biased potshots at Apple.

Of course people will take potshots. For me, it’s pretty bad when you announce a product in front of a large audience with extreme confidence, then cancel it a year+ later AND removing AirPower references from manuals/site as if it was never announced. From a PR perspective, this is one of the more comical ones of recent years.

Case in point there are many like me who own the stock but aren’t as thrilled as you about the current state of things. Honestly if Apple had made a single pragmatic charger, I might have considered buying it.
 
Of course people will take potshots. For me, it’s pretty bad when you announce a product in front of a large audience with extreme confidence, then cancel it a year+ later AND removing AirPower references from manuals/site as if it was never announced. From a PR perspective, this is one of the more comical ones of recent years.

Case in point there are many like me who own the stock but aren’t as thrilled as you about the current state of things. Honestly if Apple had made a single pragmatic charger, I might have considered buying it.
I said in a previous post, how one feels about the way airpower was handled is an individual view, there is no right or wrong.

I am a recent former stock owner and was satisfied with the way the company is being run at the time of divestiture. I'm still satisfied. (That is not to say there isn't room for improvement in anything, but the amount of hyperbole in this thread tops what I remember in the last few years)

I would not have been a target airpower customer, however, if Apple had been able to get this product out the door, clearly it would have raised the bar with wireless chargers.
 
There is no overreaction. It appears to be so evident there are those who are so entrenched in the old Apple that the bias present can't get past the person who is the current CEO, the decisions the current CEO made (has been making) and the direction that the new CEO has taken Apple. Unless it came from SJ, there has been no innovation at Apple in the last x years. This in spite of their Apple stock is worth a pretty penny more than it was when they bought it years ago.

The airpower has become a metaphor for people taking biased potshots at Apple.
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One would hope Stevey is turning over in his grave.
Yes he is. Product cancellations, defective keyboards, Throttlegate, Bendgate, 5400RPM hard drives in 2019, Touch Disease, Error 53. This is a shadow of the COmpany it once was.
 
Yes he is. Product cancellations, defective keyboards, Throttlegate, Bendgate, 5400RPM hard drives in 2019, Touch Disease, Error 53. This is a shadow of the COmpany it once was.
I disagree. Product cancellation have occurred prior to 2011. Defective products have occurred prior to 2011. The company is worth way more than it was prior to 2011. Conformational bias is evident in many of these posts.
 
I disagree. Product cancellation have occurred prior to 2011. Defective products have occurred prior to 2011. The company is worth way more than it was prior to 2011. Conformational bias is evident in many of these posts.

Only one product cancellation in the same grand scale as Airpower was Copland, Apple had shown demos, even made a full book of documentation for developers, only to have it cancelled.

And that was pre-Jobs, nothing like this happened under Jobs.
 
Antenna issues were overblown.
I’m just saying. I’ve been around here long enough to remember that the bitching and moaning during Steve Jobs’ time on here was no different in quantity than now. The only difference is that back then this place was a little more self-selecting, so the bitching and moaning was more intelligent and better written.
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Only one product cancellation in the same grand scale as Airpower was Copland, Apple had shown demos, even made a full book of documentation for developers, only to have it cancelled.

And that was pre-Jobs, nothing like this happened under Jobs.

And yet we are talking about a glorified power brick here. It’s not like they cancelled iOS 13, marzipan, iphone XI, etc.

It’s true that this shows one of two things. Either:
1) big problem in the engineering organization, promising management something they didn’t know how to make -or-
2) big problem in management, promising the public something the engineering organization didn’t promise they could make

Hopefully they’ve learned their lesson. But let’s not get too crazy here - it’s not like these things were going to be massive sellers and it’s not like their loss is going to materially affect Apple’s finances.
 
On the thermal issues, it seems like the issue was that Apple wanted to do too many things with the Air Power.
I think they could have shipped it if they would have dropped the idea of dropping your device on at any angle or location and having it charge.
I am imagining that people dropping multiple devices of different charging needs at all kinds of angles, would raise the possibility that some configurations were not optimal. For example maybe an AirPod Next to an iPhone Works but not a watch next to an iPhone if they are oriented at a certain angle and at a location where there is not complete or total coil coverage causing overheating or maybe the pad would not charge some oddly oriented devices at all or overheat when charging a badly oriented device.
Although it seem like the AirPower could/should talk to the phone via Bluetooth and be like, “Please re-orient your Phone to avoid overheating.”

The other manufacturers get around the physics by restricting the device locations and angles on the charging mats.
 
Why admit apple has fallen, when it hasn't? You talk about fanboys as if this is truth, but maybe the critics need to look in the mirror as if Apple had no failures prior to 2011 and was absolutely perfect.

Jobs is dead and Tim Cook has been successfully running Apple and grew it into a monster. While one doesn't have to like the person, his style or Apple, one truism is that Apple is never going back to the way it was prior to 2011.

Which people, who are you speaking for? You are not speaking for me (and I can name some others you aren't speaking for) as I like the apple products that I have recently bought. Worth every penny.
When companies like Apple fall, you don't see an instant crash It will slowly wither away. The failure of this hardware itself is a testament that Tim Cook is not a product guy. One of the reason Apple always has worked under secrecy that they had the flexibility of cancelling the product if it didn't work out. Correct me, if I am wrong, Steve Jobs never announced a product with a promise for future .that's why people always wanted to hear "one more thing".. and that always led to a surprise product or service announcement that you could use in a couple of weeks, not like in future someday.

How do you measure the success of apple? The revenue? That is on it's path of decline. With iPhone revenue going down, and that made apple to shake up its management, completely orienting itself as a service company from hardware company, itself tells you that it's no more hinky dory at Apple.
Is stock price a measure of success? Then why is Facebook rising so high? What's the success of Facebook? Delusional investors running after money without any understanding of the companies future can't be a justification of company's success.

How do you know the board is supporting Tim Cook? If you are one of the board members, what are
your options? None! Apples board has never been a proactive board. It's much like a board that always supported what Steve wanted to do. And without him, they have no other option, but to support Tim. That does not mean they agree with Tim or the way it's going. With lack of an innovator or a disrupter, they have no options to choose from. Look at Facebook board of directors. After all the fiascos, do they have a backbone to do anything? You have very high hope of board of directors. They are actually the most sheepish group of people.

Given all that, I am not losing hope. Hopefully, Apple will be successful in it's path. We know, very soon, Iphone will be a thing of past. The TV service or the news service is not something radical. It all seems like Apple has become a follower. But you never know. So let's wait and watch. But at this point, if you ask me, it does not look good for Apple!
 
Why admit apple has fallen, when it hasn't? You talk about fanboys as if this is truth, but maybe the critics need to look in the mirror as if Apple had no failures prior to 2011 and was absolutely perfect.

Jobs is dead and Tim Cook has been successfully running Apple and grew it into a monster. While one doesn't have to like the person, his style or Apple, one truism is that Apple is never going back to the way it was prior to 2011.

Which people, who are you speaking for? You are not speaking for me (and I can name some others you aren't speaking for) as I like the apple products that I have recently bought. Worth every penny.

And your inability to admit when something is wrong is part of why they won’t rise again. And Tim didn’t build anything. He’s been riding the coattails of Jobs. You can see Tim’s lack of leadership all over the place. It saddens me, but this is a huge mistake and it’s hoing to cost them. And me. Also, you judge me without knowing me. I myself am a fanboy. I’ve loved Apple ever since I first discovered them from the I’m a Mac commercials. I’m not a “critic”, but I certainly agree with most of them. Now if you could just stop defending Apple’s mistakes so they can be fixed, that’d be great.
 
Meh.

It was a freaking charging mat. That's it. There's nothing interesting about it, there never was, and it's absolute idiocy that there's so much gnashing of teeth about it here. Apple shouldn't have ever bothered. It was never going to be an interesting product, it was a waste of engineering resources to even bother.

If they were trying to solve across-the-room charging? That would have been interesting. A mat? Meh.
 
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Well, to be fair, the keyboard is a travesty. Fingers crossed they rip out the butterflies very soon.
Your opinion. If it were anywhere near as bad as it is portrayed here, they would have done something major about it.

You can’t sell 20M Macs annually with broken keyboards. Simply can’t. It’s overreaction, echo chamber here.
 
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When companies like Apple fall, you don't see an instant crash It will slowly wither away. The failure of this hardware itself is a testament that Tim Cook is not a product guy. One of the reason Apple always has worked under secrecy that they had the flexibility of cancelling the product if it didn't work out. Correct me, if I am wrong, Steve Jobs never announced a product with a promise for future .that's why people always wanted to hear "one more thing".. and that always led to a surprise product or service announcement that you could use in a couple of weeks, not like in future someday.

How do you measure the success of apple? The revenue? That is on it's path of decline. With iPhone revenue going down, and that made apple to shake up its management, completely orienting itself as a service company from hardware company, itself tells you that it's no more hinky dory at Apple.
Is stock price a measure of success? Then why is Facebook rising so high? What's the success of Facebook? Delusional investors running after money without any understanding of the companies future can't be a justification of company's success.

How do you know the board is supporting Tim Cook? If you are one of the board members, what are
your options? None! Apples board has never been a proactive board. It's much like a board that always supported what Steve wanted to do. And without him, they have no other option, but to support Tim. That does not mean they agree with Tim or the way it's going. With lack of an innovator or a disrupter, they have no options to choose from. Look at Facebook board of directors. After all the fiascos, do they have a backbone to do anything? You have very high hope of board of directors. They are actually the most sheepish group of people.

Given all that, I am not losing hope. Hopefully, Apple will be successful in it's path. We know, very soon, Iphone will be a thing of past. The TV service or the news service is not something radical. It all seems like Apple has become a follower. But you never know. So let's wait and watch. But at this point, if you ask me, it does not look good for Apple!


Exactly! And speaking of Facebook, they censored a post of mine calling men, that rape teen girls, pigs. I challenged it and they said it was against community guidelines. So I reported a Snapchat picture someone posted that read “I just drugged and raped a man...” they told me it didn’t violate their guidelines!! What the heck?!?
 
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I’m just saying. I’ve been around here long enough to remember that the bitching and moaning during Steve Jobs’ time on here was no different in quantity than now. The only difference is that back then this place was a little more self-selecting, so the bitching and moaning was more intelligent and better written.
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And yet we are talking about a glorified power brick here. It’s not like they cancelled iOS 13, marzipan, iphone XI, etc.

It’s true that this shows one of two things. Either:
1) big problem in the engineering organization, promising management something they didn’t know how to make -or-
2) big problem in management, promising the public something the engineering organization didn’t promise they could make

Hopefully they’ve learned their lesson. But let’s not get too crazy here - it’s not like these things were going to be massive sellers and it’s not like their loss is going to materially affect Apple’s finances.
yes we all know apple is not going to go
out of business because of this but for such a big and reputable company like apple to do this is unheard of. what went wrong? was it communication? how can a big company such as apple allow this to happen?
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Meh.

It was a freaking charging mat. That's it. There's nothing interesting about it, there never was, and it's absolute idiocy that there's so much gnashing of teeth about it here. Apple shouldn't have ever bothered. It was never going to be an interesting product, it was a waste of engineering resources to even bother.

If they were trying to solve across-the-room charging? That would have been interesting. A mat? Meh.
the issue is not about the charging mat. it could have been any product. the key issue is you dont announce products that you can not come through with
 
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Your opinion. If it were anywhere near as bad as it is portrayed here, they would have done something major about it.

You can’t sell 20M Macs annually with broken keyboards. Simply can’t. It’s overreaction, echo chamber here.

I have a MacBook and a pro. Both with broken keyboards. One has been fixed once already. I can’t afford to lose them for a week so I use an external keyboard.

They suck.
 
I guess a lot of people will be refreshing their favorite Apple site this Monday.
If it is a April Fools joke, it is not a good one. You don't make jokes about devices with overheating issues.
If it goes on sale tomorrow, there will be lot of people holding off for a while just to wait and see if Apple really has solved those issues.
 
And your inability to admit when something is wrong is part of why they won’t rise again. And Tim didn’t build anything. He’s been riding the coattails of Jobs. You can see Tim’s lack of leadership all over the place. It saddens me, but this is a huge mistake and it’s hoing to cost them. And me. Also, you judge me without knowing me. I myself am a fanboy. I’ve loved Apple ever since I first discovered them from the I’m a Mac commercials. I’m not a “critic”, but I certainly agree with most of them. Now if you could just stop defending Apple’s mistakes so they can be fixed, that’d be great.

JOBS didn't build anything. He was a marketer, pure and simple. And he was very good at it, especially marketing himself.

But Jobs wasn't an engineer, he wasn't a designer, he wasn't really a visionary. From the beginning other people did the work of making great computers, without Woz there wouldn't have been an Apple Computer for Jobs to sell.

Now, don't get me wrong, Cook is doing a terrible job. He's a beancounter, he doesn't understand functionality well, and he has none of the excitement Jobs brought to the table. He's as exciting as Sculley, who never really understood that computers weren't fizzy drinks. And he doesn't understand that iDevices aren't everything, that while headphones are nice and all, people need great computers to go with their great handhelds, and that neglecting the professionals who need Macs to work is eventually going to kill the company.

If Apple doesn't fix their direction, they're gonna be back dealing with their 1996 problems all over again in a decade.
 
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Seriously, Give me a break.

Did you forget the problems Apple had under Jobs? Remember you’re holding it wrong? This was a design flaw in the iPhone to the point they had to offer a free bumper case. The iPhone is the most MAJOR product in the world and they screwed it up. This is an accessory 99% of people forgot was going to exist.

You also ignored several post Jobs innovations, such as Airpods, Watch, silicon, and iPad.

As usual, you’re with everyone overreacting. This isn’t a good look, but it’s a freaking charging accessory that was never going to move the needle. It was cancelled (correctly) when it was clear the project was doomed. Better to cancel and lose a tiny bit of credibility than to launch a product with problems and get headlines for burning down a house.


Bahahahaha. I can only laugh at people and the blindness people have. Lol
 
Your opinion. If it were anywhere near as bad as it is portrayed here, they would have done something major about it.

You can’t sell 20M Macs annually with broken keyboards. Simply can’t. It’s overreaction, echo chamber here.

You're kidding, right?

They're terrible keyboards. Even if they haven't failed because there's crud underneath the keys, the key travel is awful, and they're too loud. I'm typing on a 2011 MBP 17" keyboard now, and it's a great keyboard, good key travel and quiet. The new ones? Awful. Simply awful.

And don't get me started on the soldered RAM and storage.

People aren't buying new MBPs because they want the keyboard. They're buying them because they don't have a choice. There is no Mac laptop option with a good keyboard available.
 
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