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What catastrophic failures are we taking about that equates to literally amolliating people by a daily battery?

No such event occurred with a Note.

The only known death by phone fire so far was from an iPhone in an invalid's bed.

And no Note 7 ever caught fire in the air, yet iPhones have done so on aircraft multiple times.

He was right. Apple has a long history of denying problems until publicity or a legal action forces them to acknowledge them. And that includes more fire / electrocution prone devices than the number of Note 7s ever sold.
 
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No such event occurred with a Note.

You do realize that the only known death by phone fire so far was from an iPhone in an invalid's bed?

And that no Note 7 ever caught fire in the air, yet iPhones have done so on aircraft multiple times.

He was right. Apple has a long history of denying problems until publicity or a legal forces them to acknowledge them. And that includes more fire prone charging devices than the number of Note 7s ever sold.
To add to that, no iPhone has been recalled for battery issues or banned from aircraft. Even though there are hundreds of millions of devices with li-ion batteries there has not been a recall due to fire hazard. Most of this post is a red-herring because it’s widely acknowledged that li-ion batteries can catch fire and even bring down aircraft. (Something you neglected to mention)
 
But equating good suppl chain management with good CEO leadership is also not mutually exclusive. it's possible he's amazing at Supply Chain, but a complete turd for product design understanding. Claiming Apple's supply chain excellences means that the products must also be excellent is just ... not a smart correlation to be making.

This is another criticism I just don’t understand.

I agree that Tim Cook sucks at product design, and I also feel it’s an irrelevant point to make, because he’s not the one in charge of product design. That role belongs to Jony Ive and his group of designers, who currently hold the most power at Apple.

So what this means is that the designers first decide on the end experience that they want their users to have, then it falls on the engineers to try and make this happen. When it happens, it’s magical (like the AirPods and the Apple Watch). When your engineering team can’t deliver (sometimes through no fault of their own), you get (the now cancelled) Airpower and the Butterfly Keyboard.

I guess if there is one takeaway from all this, it’s that Apple’s design team should probably start listening to their own engineers more. But then again, if Steve Jobs had listened to his engineers back in his heyday, the iphone might not have happened either.
 
I agree that Tim Cook sucks at product design, and I also feel it’s an irrelevant point to make, because he’s not the one in charge of product design. That role belongs to Jony Ive and his group of designers, who currently hold the most power at Apple.

I find this comment pretty interesting and maybe you have a misconception of what the CEO does.

Just like the POTUS, the CEO is the face of the company. The VPs of the various depts are basically advisors. At the end of day, they approve what goes thru and what doesn’t. They are also the face of the company in the views of both the outside world and to their employees. So yeah he will get credited with the blame and accolades more so than his execs.
 
I find this comment pretty interesting and maybe you have a misconception of what the CEO does.

Just like the POTUS, the CEO is the face of the company. The VPs of the various depts are basically advisors. At the end of day, they approve what goes thru and what doesn’t. They are also the face of the company in the views of both the outside world and to their employees. So yeah he will get credited with the blame and accolades more so than his execs.

Sure, if people want to over-generalise the role of a CEO.

At Apple, Tim Cook oversees Apple’s operations while Jony Ive is Apple’s product visionary.

Apple’s operational leadership structure compromises of Tim Cook and an inner circle of senior executives (including Eddy Cue, Phil Schiller and Jeff Williams) who manage Apple’s day to day operations. What’s interesting is that it was Steve Jobs who ended up delegating most of his CEO duties to Tim Cook in the first place, because he wanted to focus on product design and had little interest in the administrative duties of a CEO.

Meanwhile, Jony Ive and his design team oversees product design and basically have the final say over the user experience related to Apple products. In this regards, Jony Ive is the closest embodiment of the role Steve Jobs held at Apple while the latter was still alive. This also means that they hold way more power than the industrial engineers at Apple (which, as I mentioned earlier, has its pros and cons).

What I am observing is that the amount of cynicism aimed at Apple seems to be at an all-time high of late. Apple’s accomplishments don’t seem to receive the recognition (I feel) they deserve, while every single thing that Apple does is put under a microscope and subject to intense scrutiny and (often cynical) criticism. I wonder if it’s due to a lack of understanding in the way Apple is run.
 
Sure, if people want to over-generalise the role of a CEO.

At Apple, Tim Cook oversees Apple’s operations while Jony Ive is Apple’s product visionary.

Apple’s operational leadership structure compromises of Tim Cook and an inner circle of senior executives (including Eddy Cue, Phil Schiller and Jeff Williams) who manage Apple’s day to day operations. What’s interesting is that it was Steve Jobs who ended up delegating most of his CEO duties to Tim Cook in the first place, because he wanted to focus on product design and had little interest in the administrative duties of a CEO.

Meanwhile, Jony Ive and his design team oversees product design and basically have the final say over the user experience related to Apple products. In this regards, Jony Ive is the closest embodiment of the role Steve Jobs held at Apple while the latter was still alive. This also means that they hold way more power than the industrial engineers at Apple (which, as I mentioned earlier, has its pros and cons).

What I am observing is that the amount of cynicism aimed at Apple seems to be at an all-time high of late. Apple’s accomplishments don’t seem to receive the recognition (I feel) they deserve, while every single thing that Apple does is put under a microscope and subject to intense scrutiny and (often cynical) criticism. I wonder if it’s due to a lack of understanding in the way Apple is run.
While no company is beyond improvement and some criticism is justified, I could see the "being put under a microscope" part if Apple is going down the tubes. However, Tim Cook has grown Apple into a behemoth and much of the hyperbolic criticism is just that. The more Apple makes the more the criticism. It's as if people value capitalism for all, except for Apple.

And it's my guess the canceled Airpower project represents what people feel is wrong with Apple, in their subjective opinion, with much of it being hyperbole.
 
Can sb please recommend a decent charger ala Airpower that will charge both my AW4 + XS? From my experience these chargers from AliExpress will charge the watch for a couple of mins only and stop charging then.
 
Stating that it’s “just a qi charger” is not an opinion. That’s a factually testable statement, and thus a statement of fact. And a false one.

Nomad is nice, but it still doesn’t do what AirPower promised (namely the ability to place any device anywhere on the pad).

You win the internet for the day. Congrats.
 
Sure, if people want to over-generalise the role of a CEO.

So let me understand this from your angle.

If you run a team and your product has met sharp criticism, people should blame your team and not you, right?

I wonder if it’s due to a lack of understanding in the way Apple is run.

This has always been the case with Apple even under Steve’s tenure (I.e before you joined Apple ecosystem in 2011). It’s at an all time high now because many of us were the ones criticizing. Then Apple made changes around when you joined that pulled a lot of the PC crowd over to their ecosystem. We were very content for a bit until changes that happened under Tim Cook are showing signs of regression.
 
So let me understand this from your angle.

If you run a team and your product has met sharp criticism, people should blame your team and not you, right?
Is this a general question or is there some Apple product(s) that have met sharp Global criticism from many accredited and newsworthy sources, outside of some blogs and Macrumors that you are referring to?
 
Is this a general question or is there some Apple product(s) that have met sharp Global criticism from many accredited and newsworthy sources, outside of some blogs and Macrumors that you are referring to?

You can infer from my conversation with Abizagal.
 
Can sb please recommend a decent charger ala Airpower that will charge both my AW4 + XS? From my experience these chargers from AliExpress will charge the watch for a couple of mins only and stop charging then.

I've already recommended the PLUX a couple of times. I use it to charge my Xs Max, AW, and AirPods each night.
 
The timing on this announcement is suspect. Friday before April 1 on Monday. No mention at the Keynote, but a couple of days later pulling the plug? Maybe a bit of leg pulling and it goes on sale Monday?
How I wish that had been true. Sadly, it has ‘withered on the vine’. I wonder if any company will take a shot at trying a version of AirPower in the future. Or, will they need special access to the internals of WATCH, AirPods and iPhone to get an on-screen display showing the charge levels of each device?
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No, it’s the why the term Apple-hate exists lol.

95% of these astroturfers were never going to buy AirPower anyway, and 95% of those who claim they’re going to return their AirPods never bought them in the first place... no matter, Apple screwed up, they deserve all the bashing they get :)
Seems a bit harsh! Why should Apple be bashed for failing to conquer something no one else has conquered? If they had tried to offer something similar to what the market already provides - and failed, perhaps criticism would be in order. Not so sure any company deserves to be ‘bashed’ for trying but failing over a new (and unique) product. Then again, maybe I’m not seeing something that you can see....
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What if the price-quality-ratio of qi-mats have evolved in 2 years, that almost nobody would have bought apple’s mat with a regular apple tax price level?
Or just apple didn’t have money to solve some engineering problem?
Hard to choose...
I’m inclined to go with your latter suggestion. Engineering issues seem to be the more likely reason. Although I can’t imagine that money had any part to play in it.
 
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So let me understand this from your angle.

If you run a team and your product has met sharp criticism, people should blame your team and not you, right?

I am saying that Apple isn't run like an average company and shouldn't be judged as one. This also impacts how we should grade Tim Cook's performance as Apple CEO.

Likewise, a double standard is being used to judge Tim Cook. He is being penalized for not entering questionable product categories. In addition, the new products that Apple has decided to sell are looked at through an iPhone lens.

https://www.aboveavalon.com/notes/2017/1/19/grading-tim-cook

This article offers great insight into what Tim Cook and provides what I feel is a very fair assessment. Though it was written more than two years ago, I feel it’s just as relevant today, given that his role hasn’t really changed.

I think when you have more context, you will find that it’s not so straightforward as just pointing an accusing finger at someone.
 
I think when you have more context, you will find that it’s not so straightforward as just pointing an accusing finger at someone.

I think you have this problem of never managing a team and working with internal and external politics. Maybe it could also be you have not much experience working with industry. I don’t know. But it’s incredibly straight forward.

If I am responsible for a product, it doesn’t matter who underneath me is doing the work. Who is the first person that management will look for answers?

Now take that and push the diagram to the top. If my boss manages me and I manage my team, who is going to get blamed if we fail to execute? Me or my boss? Ok now take this a step further and go up to the CEO. If the CEO executes a strat that is not publicly embraced, who is going to get the blame?

You are right. Apple is no ordinary company. But that doesn’t dismiss the CEO from facing the same criticism that every type of leadership at every company at every level gets.
 
So disappointed, was really looking forward to this. It looked great. So why not release one that just charges two items, Phone and Watch or Airpods?
 
I think you have this problem of never managing a team and working with internal and external politics. Maybe it could also be you have not much experience working with industry. I don’t know. But it’s incredibly straight forward.

If I am responsible for a product, it doesn’t matter who underneath me is doing the work. Who is the first person that management will look for answers?

Now take that and push the diagram to the top. If my boss manages me and I manage my team, who is going to get blamed if we fail to execute? Me or my boss? Ok now take this a step further and go up to the CEO. If the CEO executes a strat that is not publicly embraced, who is going to get the blame?

You are right. Apple is no ordinary company. But that doesn’t dismiss the CEO from facing the same criticism that every type of leadership at every company at every level gets.
My understanding of the way Apple is run is that there isn't any one person in charge of a particular product at Apple. Rather, Apple’s leadership structure relies on extensive collaboration, where we see small teams consisting of individuals from a number of teams working together on product development within Apple.

This also means that politics and internal rivalry are kept to a minimum, which is by design (I suspect that's why Scott Forstall was let go in 2012, because his not-so-secret desire to one day be CEO of Apple made him very protective of his software team and thus hampered his ability to collaborate with other departments, which made him a liability Apple simply could not afford at the time).

So what this means is that there isn't an airpower team or a Mac Pro team or even an Apple Watch team. Instead, you have a SVP that oversees iOS and MacOS, another SVP of hardware engineering (overseeing iPhone, Mac etc), and a SVP of hardware technologies. This allows for the hardware and software teams to collaborate together as necessary, while avoiding the politicking that comes with a traditional divisional structure (because people are unable to look beyond their own product and see the bigger picture).

This also gives Apple the flexibility to redeploy resources as necessary. For instance, Apple is able to still commit to a yearly refresh of the iPhone and the Apple Watch because they are able to "borrow" manpower from other teams (like the Mac team), but this also means that other products suffer from a lack of resources and manpower. This is possible only because there isn't a "Mac Team" in the traditional sense of the term, so if Apple decides that they want to focus on mobiles and wearables at the expense of the Mac, that's what happens. Which I maintain is a strength, not a weakness, when you consider the bigger picture.

So take the case of airpower. The design team lays out the experience they want their users to have, then the hardware and software teams work together to try and make this happen. And if it fails, who exactly do you blame, when there is no head of airpower? You can't blame the hardware engineering team, because they can't overcome physics. You can't blame the software team because they did their job (as evidenced in iOS 12.2). You could possibly blame the design team for being unrealistic, because that's where the directive originated, but you can't know upfront that the design was flawed, and hindsight is 20/20.

So an idea failed, Apple learned from it, and they will move on. As they always do. My point here is that there really isn't any point in trying to find someone to blame, much less when it comes to a product like Airpower where it was never even released in the first place.

So if you want to grade Tim Cook, do it as a whole. Reflect back on the past year (or years), look at his accomplishments and failings in totality, and make an objective assessment based off that. Rather than zero in on a particular failing here or there while ignoring everything else that Apple has done well.
 
I've already recommended the PLUX a couple of times. I use it to charge my Xs Max, AW, and AirPods each night.
Thanks, but I'd prefer a charger similar to AirPower design - i.e. one that you place on the table flat not with a stand? Or am I missing something?
 
So what this means is that there isn't an airpower team or a Mac Pro team or even an Apple Watch team.

This is very contradicting to what (former) employee testimonials have said.

My point here is that there really isn't any point in trying to find someone to blame, much less when it comes to a product like Airpower where it was never even released in the first place.

So if you want to grade Tim Cook, do it as a whole. Reflect back on the past year (or years), look at his accomplishments and failings in totality, and make an objective assessment based off that. Rather than zero in on a particular failing here or there while ignoring everything else that Apple has done well.

My point is you should accept the fact that people will blame/praise that Tim Cook for each product during his tenure because he is the face of the company, and you should not be surprised by it. There is really nothing more to what I am saying.
 
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