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LOL, it was hard to tell. I'm just frustrated.. I feel like Apple is going one direction and the customer base is stuck now trying to make a decision as to either stick with them and suffer the pitfalls of the new apple, or moving on. The issue is for years I've been so sucked into iTunes and iPhoto that to try and migrate out would be a headache, and Apple knows this.
 
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Minor correction to this: if it is a NAS, then you use something like SMB / CIFS or NFS to access it. You’re talking about a SAN or something else providing block based storage.

All the major NAS vendors support the ability to create iSCSI targets on their NAS devices. Windows, even the client versions, have built-in support for iSCSI.

Besides not supporting iSCSI in Mac OS, Apple also has not updated Mac OS Server to support iSCSI storage for Xsan. Apple no longer sells their Fibre Channel Xserve RAID, so there is no reason for them to play favorites by purposely omitting support for iSCSI.

Since iSCSI is block based storage, it should be more efficient than file sharing protocols for things like network Time Machine backup or editing large video projects over the network. Yes, some people actually do use both ethernet ports on the Mac Pro, or use Thunderbolt adapters to add additional ethernet ports to Mac Minis or iMacs.
 
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All the major NAS vendors support the ability to create iSCSI targets on their NAS devices. Windows, even the client versions, have built-in support for iSCSI.

Besides not supporting iSCSI in Mac OS, Apple also has not updated Mac OS Server to support iSCSI storage for Xsan. Apple no longer sells their Fibre Channel Xserve RAID, so there is no reason for them to play favorites by purposely omitting support for iSCSI.

Since iSCSI is block based storage, it should be more efficient than file sharing protocols for things like network Time Machine backup or editing large video projects over the network. Yes, some people actually do use both ethernet ports on the Mac Pro, or use Thunderbolt adapters to add additional ethernet ports to Mac Minis or iMacs.
I stand corrected.

I’m not sure how much additional speed you’d get from iSCSI. The network is likely still not optimized for it. It would also depend on whether the iSCSI target is providing block or file based backstores. I’d bet it would be a wash.

Apple is into consumer mode. I don’t know many consumers that care about iSCSI over other file sharing protocols.
 
Pretty sure Synology uses AFP to make that happen and not SMB though. Doesn't change the fact that more compatibility with industry standards would be better for their customers. The lack of this is starting to push me away from their platforms.
You can use smb. About a year ago they updated DSM to allow that. I turned off afp on both my Synology boxes.
 
How many years until we see headlines of:

Apple Officially Discontinues Mac Mini
Apple Officially Discontinues Mac Pro
Apple Officially Discontinues MacBook Air
Apple Officially Discontinues macOS
[/QUOTE]You are right about this
 
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Do like the rest of us and build yourself a hackintosh. Not only will you get a proper GPU, a solid CPU that will run circles around Apple's current lineup you'll end up paying like a third of the price.

I built mine a few years back and once I got everything working I was dumbfounded at how much better my system was than any other Mac I've ever owned; cheap, silent, upgradeable, serious GPU, easy to replace parts, plenty of expansion, etc.

I'd love to believe that, but I'm skeptical. When a macOS update comes out would I be totally cool to just click the "Download and Restart" button or would there be some monkeying around?
 
I'd love to believe that, but I'm skeptical. When a macOS update comes out would I be totally cool to just click the "Download and Restart" button or would there be some monkeying around?

I think with Clover installs you should be fine but there MIGHT be some monkeying around. See here:

https://www.tonymacx86.com/threads/macos-10-12-6-update.224836/

I'm still on Yosemite only because I'm kind of lazy to reinstall everything all over again just to update to High Sierra. But I will eventually.
 
Does AirPlay work with non-Apple routers?
airplay works, but you can't use them like an airport express and plug speakers into them. You can airplay from device-to-device within your house using any nearly any router.
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I'd love to believe that, but I'm skeptical. When a macOS update comes out would I be totally cool to just click the "Download and Restart" button or would there be some monkeying around?
What are you responding to?
 
airplay works, but you can't use them like an airport express and plug speakers into them. You can airplay from device-to-device within your house using any nearly any router.

I do have an Airport Extreme right now so I've used AirPlay with that. I did have an Express previously and used the audio out on that but I don't use that any longer. I was just making sure that when it comes time to upgrade my Extreme that a good feature such as AirPlay is still useable. My Extreme is often giving me a blinking amber light yet it continues working fine. Seems kind of odd.
 
I do have an Airport Extreme right now so I've used AirPlay with that. I did have an Express previously and used the audio out on that but I don't use that any longer. I was just making sure that when it comes time to upgrade my Extreme that a good feature such as AirPlay is still useable. My Extreme is often giving me a blinking amber light yet it continues working fine. Seems kind of odd.

Yeah, airplay should work fine for you with another router. Stick to good brands (eero, netgear, synology, linksys, ubiquiti) and you should have no problems.
 
Yeah, airplay should work fine for you with another router. Stick to good brands (eero, netgear, synology, linksys, ubiquiti) and you should have no problems.

Hmm okay. There was one I was think of but can't recall the name. It's white, square and has a digital clock-like display on the front. Seemed to have good reviews last I checked.
 
Hmm okay. There was one I was think of but can't recall the name. It's white, square and has a digital clock-like display on the front. Seemed to have good reviews last I checked.
That sounds like the ubiquiti. It's good, if you need a mesh setup.

I'm a fan of synology, though their mesh add-ons aren't available yet.
 
Mature or not, the market is an ugly mess most people still do not appreciate having to wade into. You could sell my grandma a Macbook Air and an Air Ex and she'll be online in no time. Hand her the MBA and tell her in order to connect it to the internet, she'll have to do her own research about current networking standards and configuration scenarios and navigate the wireless router market for something that fits her needs, and it's not going to happen. Airport gave people a decent level of connectivity, options & NAS/TC service without requiring them to have to dig into networking. It got millions of macs online. However, Airport always had a lot more potential than Apple was willing to spend time and money on, and halfarsed it along with lackluster features update after update until they killed it.

It's a great product concept, but apparently too complicated for Apple, the biggest company in the world, to do well. How the hell they think they're going to build and sell us cars or whatever...
Amen. I loved ("the old") Apple for that complete, easy-to-use ecosystem that (mostly) made sense: you bought a MacBook Air or Pro and the Apple Thunderbolt Display and got a great display + docking station in one package. It was expensive, but if I'd bought a low/mid range Eizo + dock it would'd cost the same, but it would suck aesthetically and functionally :) The same with the Airports. I'm not a novice, but I'm also not an expert — the router configurations were always a pain the ass. I remember wasting hours to make my ISP's router play nice with my various devices: PC, Mac, iPhone etc. Going to the configuration page and setting it up was inconvenient for me, but when I had to explain it to my mother over the phone (because of course her router had a completely different config page, where the same functionalities where named differently) it was just faster driving to her and doing it myself.
So when I went all Apple in my household I bought the 2GB Time Capsule (the 4th gen) and it's been working perfectly backing up 2 Macs with a 4GB Seagate plugged in as a media server. When I moved to a bigger apartment last year I wasn't getting satisfactory transfers across the whole apartment (in my nerdy opinion, not my wife's :). The ISP had put the cable in the far corner room and I couldn't remodel the apartment with internet cables in mind, so I was facing a nerd's dilemma: should I buy an Airport Express to extend my WiFI or get a mesh system? I weighed my options and decided I didn't want to give up my current configuration, because... it just works. But furthermore, what each one of those mesh systems lacked were: ports! I need at least 3 ports on the main router (1 for TB display and 2 for smart thingy hubs) and I need an Ethernet port on a "satellite"/beacon to connect my hi-fi system. And AP Express was the best option: it's small, it gives me great WiFI coverage and I can plug in my Denon hi-fi, so I can get AirPlay (sidenote: Denon updated its firmware recently and Airplay started to suck: fortunately I could use an optical audio cable to connect the Airport to it and use it as a back up wireless music connection).
Maybe this extended WiFi isn't as awesome as a mesh system; don't know, since I haven't tried mesh. But I can say it's been really solid with maybe 1 restart per 6 months or so. I was afraid of my devices "switching" between Airports, but it's not an issue.

Enough said, I think it's a shame that Apple drops the Airport line. I really think it was great and could've been greater: had they combined AirPod with Airport and made their own mesh system (make an Airport Express + a speaker, like an Echo router). I think it would've swayed a lot of people into buying a "smart speaker" if it had another, more practical function like delivering WiFi. But I don't know, maybe that's just me. Whenever I travel or visit other people, they have their routers/modems hidden away somewhere with a WiFi name and password they can't remember, because the devices are ugly, plastic thingies with antennas sticking out and a billion LEDs and there's no easy way to set it up. I'm now in Portugal and although one of the DSL providers (NOS) has a nice looking router, the connection sucks: it it just disappears at the far end of a 60 sq. meter apartment, it drops the connection constantly or giving me a message, that another device is using my IP address. Fortunately I know what do, but if it was my wife or most of my friends, they would lose hours connecting and reconnecting, turning their WiFI on and off and so on. And that was the beauty of AirPort: it just worked. Just like the Thunderbolt Display.
 
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Amen. I loved ("the old") Apple for that complete, easy-to-use ecosystem that (mostly) made sense: you bought a MacBook Air or Pro and the Apple Thunderbolt Display and got a great display + docking station in one package. It was expensive, but if I'd bought a low/mid range Eizo + dock it would'd cost the same, but it would suck aesthetically and functionally :) The same with the Airports. I'm not a novice, but I'm also not an expert — the router configurations were always a pain the ass. I remember wasting hours to make my ISP's router play nice with my various devices: PC, Mac, iPhone etc. Going to the configuration page and setting it up was inconvenient for me, but when I had to explain it to my mother over the phone (because of course her router had a completely different config page, where the same functionalities where named differently) it was just faster driving to her and doing it myself.
So when I went all Apple in my household I bought the 2GB Time Capsule (the 4th gen) and it's been working perfectly backing up 2 Macs with a 4GB Seagate plugged in as a media server. When I moved to a bigger apartment last year I wasn't getting satisfactory transfers across the whole apartment (in my nerdy opinion, not my wife's :). The ISP had put the cable in the far corner room and I couldn't remodel the apartment with internet cables in mind, so I was facing a nerd's dilemma: should I buy an Airport Express to extend my WiFI or get a mesh system? I weighed my options and decided I didn't want to give up my current configuration, because... it just works. But furthermore, what each one of those mesh systems lacked were: ports! I need at least 3 ports on the main router (1 for TB display and 2 for smart thingy hubs) and I need an Ethernet port on a "satellite"/beacon to connect my hi-fi system. And AP Express was the best option: it's small, it gives me great WiFI coverage and I can plug in my Denon hi-fi, so I can get AirPlay (sidenote: Denon updated its firmware recently and Airplay started to suck: fortunately I could use an optical audio cable to connect the Airport to it and use it as a back up wireless music connection).
Maybe this extended WiFi isn't as awesome as a mesh system; don't know, since I haven't tried mesh. But I can say it's been really solid with maybe 1 restart per 6 months or so. I was afraid of my devices "switching" between Airports, but it's not an issue.

Enough said, I think it's a shame that Apple drops the Airport line. I really think it was great and could've been greater: had they combined AirPod with Airport and made their own mesh system (make an Airport Express + a speaker, like an Echo router). I think it would've swayed a lot of people into buying a "smart speaker" if it had another, more practical function like delivering WiFi. But I don't know, maybe that's just me. Whenever I travel or visit other people, they have their routers/modems hidden away somewhere with a WiFi name and password they can't remember, because the devices are ugly, plastic thingies with antennas sticking out and a billion LEDs and there's no easy way to set it up. I'm now in Portugal and although one of the DSL providers (NOS) has a nice looking router, the connection sucks: it it just disappears at the far end of a 60 sq. meter apartment, it drops the connection constantly or giving me a message, that another device is using my IP address. Fortunately I know what do, but if it was my wife or most of my friends, they would lose hours connecting and reconnecting, turning their WiFI on and off and so on. And that was the beauty of AirPort: it just worked. Just like the Thunderbolt Display.

I so agree with this post. I'm gonna hate it when it comes time to upgrade to some other type of router. Most ISP's provide modems with built in wifi but at least in my experience the wifi sucks on those ISP modems.
 
For all those saying that most people just use the device supplied by their ISP: Apple could also of made router/modems, for the world market, which is what I had hoped Apple would do, and probably introduce other functions into it that only Apple could do. Sadly, this Apple prefers putting effort into making forgettable TV shows.
 
How many years until we see headlines of:

Apple Officially Discontinues Mac Mini
Apple Officially Discontinues Mac Pro
Apple Officially Discontinues MacBook Air
Apple Officially Discontinues macOS

You can add the iPod to this list.
 
My time machine working through my Linksys router for the last two years




I have Time Machine working with my Linksys AC2600 and previously had it working with a netgear router. In both cases no issues.

If you are looking to buy a time capsule replacement, Synology RT2600ac coupled with a usb 3.0 hard drive is an excellent inexpensive option for Wireless Time Machine backup and the setup is a little easier for people that are tech inept.

Thanks tsongming...I understand TM functionality can be made to work on some third party routers but reliability seems to be a chief concern from what I've read on the Internet. Not a big concern for me however as I can run an external HDD from my primary Mac for backups as needed and frankly, iCloud Documents and Desktop storage functions flawlessly for me.

My primary concern is Bonjour functionality for iTunes Home Sharing on a iMac server to my clients which doesn't work reliably on two mesh systems I've tested so I've got my Time Capsule back in place right now.

Thanks for the tip on the Synology RT2600ac - I had my eye on that one.
 
Would I need those long antenna things that come with it? Seems like they're just range extenders.
No you shouldn’t need them unless you find that the base unit results in dead spots. Depends on the size of your abode, layout of walls, and position of the router.
 
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