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Exactly, the people who use a Mac as a serious tool - and not just as an expensive toy - want a credible computer OS. Not a phone, not a media play-thing. You don't design a building, compose music score, or edit a feature film on something by fisher price.

They're very sadly mistaken if they think they have reached the zenith of what a computer OS can be... by the fact they haven't made any major improvements for several years I fear they do think as much.

And where do you think apple is not inproving this?
 
Exactly, the people who use a Mac as a serious tool - and not just as an expensive toy - want a credible computer OS. Not a phone, not a media play-thing. You don't design a building, compose music score, or edit a feature film on something by fisher price.

And how is OS X not a "credible" computer OS ? Lack of "All Windows" expose ? Full screen apps only working on 1 monitor because they create their own space and don't share it with other apps ? What ?

Or is it that OS X is a credible computer OS, one built on top of a foundation built by some of the best minds in the industry over the last 40 years (names like Dennis Ritchie, Ken Thompson, Richard M. Stallman, Brian Kernighan Bill Joy, Kirk McKusick, Keith Bostic and many more), a foundation that has inspired many and brought us great innovations like Tim Berner Lee's little known software called WorldWideWeb, which he wrote on the NeXT computer at his desk.

No really, posts like this make me laugh. A few bits of UI candy and suddenly everything that's underneath is gone and doesn't exist. Guess what ? The UI candy is a distraction! Underneath is where the real guts are and where the real computing happens. And that is what is called OS X. Forget the Mission Control, Expose, Spaces gimmicks and forget the people who say a "professional OS should have All Windows Expose!", those are simply ignorant of what true computing is and how it is accomplished.

The fact is, my iPhone, an iPad and even an iPod Touch are all turring complete computers, running a OS (iOS) that is much more advanced than a lot of stuff we used to use on desktop computers. Sure it goes back to a single user paradigm, and tends towards the single task as well (whereas OS X is a multiuser/multitask system), but that doesn't make it any less of a full OS with proper kernel and user space seperation, hardware abstraction, systems services and a full on graphical UI package. It's also fully programmable with a free toolchain provided by the vendor to do so, which is more than I can say for some "real computer professional OSes!" (Looking at you HP... aCC really needs to cost thousands of dollars ?).

I for one am quite happy with OS X Lion, will probably be with OS X Mountain Lion. I have concerns because of Gatekeeper's current default of "App Store or signed", but that is about it, a default option that can be changed (and maybe won't even be the default after some feedback from devs to Apple). The rest is either good sense in merging protocols/accounts from iOS into OS X (I want iMessage/Facetime/Airplay on my Mac to match my iOS devices) or simply bloat that is ignorable (Twitter, Launchpad, ShareSheet, iCloud).
 
No one uses desktop computers now unless you hardcore gamer :eek::eek:

You make it sound like hardcore gamer is rare. There's a lot more out there than you know.
Just using that as one example. http://www.million-dollar-pc.com/ But there are plenty forums out there.

For college and university it is laptops and notebooks now.

Well of course, it's easy to transport. But still, there are plenty of people out in Universities and Colleges that have towers since some are living there for years. They still transport laptops/netbooks once they're back to their dorm/rooms and hook it up to their PC or whatever depending on their needs obviously.
 
Exactly, the people who use a Mac as a serious tool - and not just as an expensive toy - want a credible computer OS. Not a phone, not a media play-thing. You don't design a building, compose music score, or edit a feature film on something by fisher price.

They're very sadly mistaken if they think they have reached the zenith of what a computer OS can be... by the fact they haven't made any major improvements for several years I fear they do think as much.

And thats why Im still on Snow Leopard. IMHO the last OS from Apple that is thinking more about productivity that anything else, Mission control is a mess for me, and the speediness of Lion is not too much different from SL, I mean I've been experiencing a lot of lags for example when activating mission control by hitting one of the screen corners, it just lags for a .3s and then works smoothly...

Overally, I have a bad experience even on SSD and 8GB RAM.
 
My concern is we'll no longer see any highly stable and reliable OS X releases. You won't be able to hang on to your old OS anymore as you wait for the .5 or .6 release. Because there won't be one.

As one release of OS X gets closer to stable, they'll be off launching the next big thing and abandoning the current release.

I don't care about paying $30 a year for OS X. I do care if we're consistently watching one OS X branch get abandoned for a new version that introduces new bugs and issues each time.

It's been a ten year paid rolling beta.
Proof?
The mantra that pours off of every OSX user's lips.
"Don't buy the first release..."
 
I'm concerned about the yearly thing, seems to fast for what desktops are for. Far different from phones and tablets, I think 3 years is the sweet spot personally.
 
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Which is why I said I wouldn't go to far as saying OS X would run on non-Apple hardware. First off Apple wouldn't benefit much from using that other then expanding the # of those using their OS. And it would be too much of a headache dealing with specific drivers & different system configurations. All those (including myself) whoever attempted to run OS X on a non-Apple machine know this all too well.

We don't really know what they're doing. For all we know it could be a name change. But maybe eventually iOS and OS X will become one, but I personally can't see that happening anytime soon. Even though they have a lot in common, they are two different animals designed for two different systems.

Hardware certification program. Putting together a fully functional Hackintosh is a breeze nowadays (I speak from experience).
 
Because as Jobs said we are entering the Post PC era and iDevices are the future of Apple. This is just another step in bringing the Mac and the iDevices closer together and eventually phasing out the Mac as we know it.

I'm not concerned because Windows PCs will always be available for professional applications and content production, but for us who are content consumers this will only make the future Apple products even more user friendly for us.

It will be interesting to see where the Mac Pro goes in the next few months. I think that will tell us a lot about where Apple is heading.

Jobs also said that Mac OS X would be around for 20 or so years. Was that complete horsehockey?

Or is 10.8 going to last 5 years then 10.9 will last another 5 years. This is nothing more than a money grab, they could have waited another 12 months and given us something substantial to upgrade too.

Jobs would say what ever the press wanted to hear.

It's rather ironic that you say Windows is for creators, when that it was we thought Macs were for.
 
We don't really know what they're doing. For all we know it could be a name change. But maybe eventually iOS and OS X will become one, but I personally can't see that happening anytime soon. Even though they have a lot in common, they are two different animals designed for two different systems.
I think iOS and Mac OS X have been merged and Apple will announce this, along with dropping "iOS", at WWDC2012. Think about it. Up until now, the cat names were internal code names that became unofficial names in everyday jargon, and they were in quotes, if I am not mistaken. Now, Apple has dropped "Mac" from the name and appended the cat name officially. This makes things a lot easier for Apple since the only real difference is the UI.

Instead of talking about iOS or Mac OS X, Apple will only be talking about OS X Mountain Lion/Lynx/Bobcat/etc because they have gone beyond an OS on hardware to an OS-powered ecosystem.
 
You make it sound like hardcore gamer is rare. There's a lot more out there than you know.

As far a big business is concerned, the market percentage is what is important, not the absolute number. There's currently more total money to be made from catering to people who might play small casual games (killing pigs, puzzles, etc.) than from hardcore gamers.

Big numbers that turn out to only be a tiny percentage of the market mainly attract small boutique specialty business activity.
 
I think iOS and Mac OS X have been merged and Apple will announce this, along with dropping "iOS", at WWDC2012. Think about it. Up until now, the cat names were internal code names that became unofficial names in everyday jargon, and they were in quotes, if I am not mistaken. Now, Apple has dropped "Mac" from the name and appended the cat name officially. This makes things a lot easier for Apple since the only real difference is the UI.

Instead of talking about iOS or Mac OS X, Apple will only be talking about OS X Mountain Lion/Lynx/Bobcat/etc because they have gone beyond an OS on hardware to an OS-powered ecosystem.

Apple has used the cat code names in the advertising for their products since at least 10.2 "Jaguar". The logos on the boxes have featured the cat's distinctive print or shape since then too, although it was harder to see on Panther. I don't think you really understand what you're talking about here.

jW
 
I haven't read this whole thread, so I don't know if this was already mentioned, but there were signs of dropping the "Mac" from "Mac OS X" before Mountain Lion. If you search the Apple Support site and restrict your search by product, you'll see Lion is referred to as OS X Lion, unlike Leopard and Snow Leopard.
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Steve Jobs would have absolutely never have allowed this. Read his bio, though his quotes it's pretty clear he considers that to be the equivalent of... IDK... serving a great meal on a dish made of fecal matter. Is the content good? Sure, but you'd really rather not have it served to you that way.

Now that he's gone, it's possible Tim Cook would allow it, but I think Steve Jobs has pretty firmly embedded the lesson of "licensing Mac OS 8 was the worst decision ever and we should NEVER EVER license Mac OS X or iOS" into all of the leaders at Apple.

I think there's a big difference between licensing OSX for any and all uses and simply licensing/out-sourcing a SPECIFIC model/genre to another company (perhaps just ONE or TWO companies, not anyone who wants to throw together a clone). In short, you let someone offer PROFESSIONAL "Macs" (from true Professional Towers to Xserve boxes for Enterprise servers) and you let someone offer gaming "Macs" (In ethernet party cubes, notebooks, towers or otherwise) since Apple has shown time and time again lately they have ZERO interest in either one of those markets unless it's attached to a phone or tablet. It won't hurt their business if it's targets only to those markets and under Apple's control (easy to work into the license). I think it'd be a breath of fresh air if SOMEONE was working on support for those markets (and in the OS itself for that matter) because Apple doesn't seem to give a crap. They only care about iPad/iPhone and making everything in the universe look/act like one. I don't like my home computer to feel like a phone. I like the Mac for being a Mac for goodness sake and it seems like Apple is working hard to take the Mac out of the Mac. Perhaps that's why they've removed its name.
 
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My concern is we'll no longer see any highly stable and reliable OS X releases. You won't be able to hang on to your old OS anymore as you wait for the .5 or .6 release. Because there won't be one.

As one release of OS X gets closer to stable, they'll be off launching the next big thing and abandoning the current release.

I don't care about paying $30 a year for OS X. I do care if we're consistently watching one OS X branch get abandoned for a new version that introduces new bugs and issues each time.

You're also are very right. This whole Apple strategy is sad. Making things stable doesn't depend on technology. It depends on time and often quite a lot of time. The notion of time can not be changed by Apple. Delusional and greedy idiots, this is what they are becoming. Building quality is exactly the opposite of the next big thing as soon as possible. This is only about money. And we pro users have made this brand. They have forgot their past. I hope they fail. Time will tell...

Let me also say that I personally think time is right for a new operator, a new Apple, to come to the market.
 
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