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Apple Officially Drops 'Mac' Name from OS X Mountain Lion

already talked about...?

As i stated earlier still have S.l. and have NOT upgraded to Lion....However, When Mountain Lion comes out....will i be able to upgrade to that or must i have Lion then M.l.
I suppose only when it is offically released for purchase will we know that.
 
pondosinatra said:
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24" iMac, 2.33Ghz, OSX SL :apple: 17" iMac, 2.16Ghz, OSX SL
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SE/30 68030@50Mhz, OS 7.6 :apple: IIci PPC@100Mhz, OS 8.1
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I thought your "Old School" computers are interesting. They don't exist!
(one possible exception with the Iici Logic Board to Upgrade Quadra 700 and PPC 601 @100MHz upgrade, or rarely, waited for the PPC 601 @100MHz upgrade)

The SE/30 was a bad ass computer to anyone who got used to the original SE (or any "Classic Macintosh"). It had the 68030 chip that ran on the Macintosh Iix (and up) computers. Unfortunately, the SE/30 was only a 16 MHz Machine. Though you could upgrade it with a very expensive 33 MHz 68030 (same CPU type) with the "Allegro SE/30". The last supported OS on the SE/30 was 7.5.5. Mac OS 7.6 required a 32-bit "clean" ROMs. (Though I'm not sure, but maybe you could run 7.6 on it if you could run MODE32 within it? It's been too long!). There was actually an third party, 68040 "'040" upgrade to the SE/30, but even the 50MHz version of the 68040 was cancelled because it exceeded the thermal design envelope. (Let me know if you actually over clocked a 68030 to 50MHz! I would be amazed!)


The Macintosh Iici was also the very first 32-bit "clean" Macintosh II computer. Though, unfortunately is was simply that, a first 32-bit "clean" computer meaning a 68k (68030) computer, NOT a PPC@100MHz. And it ran only @25 MHz! Though, again you could upgrade it to a bad ass 68040 running @40 MHz! It started with Mac OS 6.0.4, and could actually run all they way to Mac OS 7.6.1 (not 8.1, at least not supported, and back then, I don't remember ever trying a hack to do that, 8.1 was mostly for PPC computers anyway, though it could run on some newer, less old, 68k machines.)

Now, that exception I was mentioned above, you can change that Macintosh Iici into essentially a totally different computer, the Quadra 700 with a new Logic Board all together, then Upgrade that with a PPC 601 @100MHz. But, WOW, that's two very expensive upgrades in one case! That "Iici" with a Quadra 700 logic board can run Mac OS 8.1. But if you upgraded it to a PPC 601 @100MHz, why not run Mac OS 9.1? Also, if you waited around 6 years, I suppose you could have waited for the PPC 601 @100MHz upgrade for your Iici. But that's quite a long time!

Your newer iMacs do exist, and could run Lion now if you upgrade them to 2 GB of the old PC2-5300 DDR2 RAM. I have the worlds first Core 2 Duo Mac Book Pro, introduced a month later than both of your iMacs. I'm running Lion with no problems, actually better than I expected, especially since it still boots into 32-bit kernel by default anyway on most 64-EFI Macs as well.
 
AppleComputer said:
Always could use a second pair of eyes!
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svedish said:
You're also are very right. This whole Apple strategy is sad. Making things stable doesn't depend on technology. It depends on time and often quite a lot of time. The notion of time can not be changed by Apple. Delusional and greedy idiots, this is what they are becoming. Building quality is exactly the opposite of the next big thing as soon as possible. This is only about money. And we pro users have made this brand. They have forgot their past. I hope they fail. Time will tell...

Let me also say that I personally think time is right for a new operator, a new Apple, to come to the market.
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That is what made Apple different in the past and more stable than Windows. Now, all of this is changing and fast. Instead of spending time getting to a .8 or .10 revision of the current OS, they keep moving on without getting all the bugs and issues out first. To me, the last real stable and nice Mac OS was Leopard before they started all this in-between new OS crap.

Do they seriously think the old time Mac users and those that TRULY know computer science don't understand this or just ignore it? I think it's more like they don't care about the pro market or the programmers anymore and the typical ignorant general public is where they are making all their money now.

I LOVED the OLD Apple of yesterday, back when if you were a "pro" at all then you owned a Mac. Anyone that wanted Photoshop was on a Mac, video editing and publishing too. Now, those days are gone for good.

I am going to have to invest heavily very soon this year for my work and I will be moving everything over to Windows because I MUST have updated high-end hardware that comes out more often than what Apple is doing. Don't get me wrong, Apple is still good for the general computer user if you are NOT a pro. Otherwise, those of us that are pros I have personally made my choice and will not be going back. It's sad, but so very true.
 
MacFanJeff said:
I LOVED the OLD Apple of yesterday, back when if you were a "pro" at all then you owned a Mac. Anyone that wanted Photoshop was on a Mac, video editing and publishing too. Now, those days are gone for good.
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Yeah dude what a shame! And also TexMate was the only pro TextEditor! Yay...:(
 
MacFanJeff said:
That is what made Apple different in the past and more stable than Windows. Now, all of this is changing and fast. Instead of spending time getting to a .8 or .10 revision of the current OS, they keep moving on without getting all the bugs and issues out first. To me, the last real stable and nice Mac OS was Leopard before they started all this in-between new OS crap.

Do they seriously think the old time Mac users and those that TRULY know computer science don't understand this or just ignore it? I think it's more like they don't care about the pro market or the programmers anymore and the typical ignorant general public is where they are making all their money now.

I LOVED the OLD Apple of yesterday, back when if you were a "pro" at all then you owned a Mac. Anyone that wanted Photoshop was on a Mac, video editing and publishing too. Now, those days are gone for good.

I am going to have to invest heavily very soon this year for my work and I will be moving everything over to Windows because I MUST have updated high-end hardware that comes out more often than what Apple is doing. Don't get me wrong, Apple is still good for the general computer user if you are NOT a pro. Otherwise, those of us that are pros I have personally made my choice and will not be going back. It's sad, but so very true.
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What bugs and issues does OS X ? What are all these bugs and issues people having with Lion.

And if you into Photoshop ,editing and publishing why can't you do that on Lion ? What is Lion doing that you cannot do that?

And read up on windows 8 it not going be like any windows OS out there has they are moving way from the classic look .
 
nec207 said:
What bugs and issues does OS X ? What are all these bugs and issues people having with Lion.

And if you into Photoshop ,editing and publishing why can't you do that on Lion ? What is Lion doing that you cannot do that?

And read up on windows 8 it not going be like any windows OS out there has they are moving way from the classic look .
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You mean Metro? It can be turned off - usable manly for for touch screens...and behind the Metro is just classic Windows with "start" and other stuff how we know it..

Regarding the Lion - work on it isnt that "smooth" as on SL for me, when activating that messy Missing Control, I'm having the beginning animation lag, and what annoys me all the time, even I just set to display each app on specific desktop - after restart I get all the windows on just one desktop. Come on, is that hard to fix that ? Anyway, Lion is just not tuned like SL is, and I bet it never gonna be, ML is about to come out, and anything I hope is that it will be a bit more successful than Lion, because Id like to get a new MBP this year, hopefully with retina and if they won't support SL anymore I gotta get used it...:mad:
 
Michaelgtrusa said:
No happy to read this. http://www.cultofmac.com/147322/how-the-mac-will-die/
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Doom and gloom the sky is falling the world is coming to end the Macs are history in ashes:eek:

serious man Mac computers are doing better now than ever before .

Too many people here are pessimistic that apple is going to kill OS X and going be like iOS in look and feel.

Lighten up sit back and have some faith.I know the fear that Lion and now mountain lion is start of the fear of the history of OS X do to iOS features and going to be like Microsoft did with windows vista and windows 7 from the classic windows look and now with windows 8 with metro.

But I still see no prove in Lion and now mountain lion that apple is stripping OS X away.
 
pondosinatra said:
Gee, that's funny. My systems at home say otherwise...;)
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I would really like to know how you got a 50MHz 68030 on the SE/30! (Since the 50MHz 68040 was even cancelled!) That could look as fast as the Macintosh IIfx in some cases! (Though, the 40MHz '040 IIfx has a couple of 6502 chips just to handle the I/O, so it's probably faster in most situations)

The Iici, I can believe with the expensive modifications/upgrades.
 
Mac OS X is now OS X = Pretty cool!
iChat is now Messages = not cool!
But i loved features update directly from the Mac App Store, Notification messages, email, game center and also "search" feature on launchpad. :D
 
gatortpk said:
I would really like to know how you got a 50MHz 68030 on the SE/30! (Since the 50MHz 68040 was even cancelled!) That could look as fast as the Macintosh IIfx in some cases! (Though, the 40MHz '040 IIfx has a couple of 6502 chips just to handle the I/O, so it's probably faster in most situations)

The Iici, I can believe with the expensive modifications/upgrades.
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I have two SE/30's. One has the very rare Daystar 030@50Mhz adapter that connects to the processor socket on the motherboard (some SE/30's had socketed processors). That in turn allows me to put the also rare Xceed grayscale video card in and run in lovely shades of gray. The other SE/30 has a Diimo 030@50Mhz connected to an custom adapter card built by my buddy Artmix in Japan. That in turn has a MacCON Ethernet card connected so I can surf the web. Both are also running custom built power supplies that offer way more power than the stock supply.

For the IIci I have a Sonnet Presto, PPC@100Mhz adapter, 100Mbps Nubus NIC, and Radius Vid card. The Presto has an enabler that allows you to install OS 8.1 on it (I'll have to double check, I might have even upgraded it to OS 8.5.1).

I also have a IIsi with a Daystar 040@40mhz, and running a CF hard drive.

I also upgraded my Cube to a 1.5Ghz Freescale PPC accelerator and upgraded Vid card.

There's also my Color Classic 'Mystic' and Color Classic 'Takky'. Although the Takky is having issues currently :(

As well I have a loaded NeXTStation Turbo Color and a Turbo Cube Dimension. I even have the only (that I know of) accelerator card made for the NeXT - the Pyro. Although it's still in the box as I haven't had time to muck with it.

Then there's all my upgraded Amigas..... :cool:

As an aside, all these systems are ticking time bombs due to the type of capacitors used. Pretty much every SE/30 has now hit the practical limit of these caps which are now leaking. The solution is to replace them with Tantalum capacitors but because Apple used surface mount technology it's extremely difficult to replace them without lifting off the pads. Still it can be done...
 
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The mac will not die any time soon. Its simply the start of o/s convergence!

All Apple are doing is starting to converge their 2 different o/s into one. It will come! Its Apple all over to work on few than to have many! So the convergence of iOS and OSX is taking place as we can see with Mountain Lion.

In the following years to come it will come to 1 OS on both Mac, iPad, iPhone etc. This is a good thing! It then becomes a seamless environment! :)

I look forward to this.

And stop with the doom and gloom! Apple is strong and will be for many many years! Tim Cook is a good smart man! Steve wouldn't have left him in charge if he wasn't.
 
Mess said:
The mac will not die any time soon. Its simply the start of o/s convergence!

All Apple are doing is starting to converge their 2 different o/s into one.
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Uh ? Last I checked, since 2007, both OSes have been sharing components in an extensive manner. I doubt they were even seperated to begin with. :rolleyes:

You do realise iOS owes a lot to OS X ? Kernel, display server, frameworks, etc...
 
KnightWRX said:
Uh ? Last I checked, since 2007, both OSes have been sharing components in an extensive manner. I doubt they were even seperated to begin with. :rolleyes:

You do realise iOS owes a lot to OS X ? Kernel, display server, frameworks, etc...
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Yes I do know that :) What i ment was that OSX and iOS will eventually just be 1 OS, so you will have the same OS on all apple devices.
 
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Hey, just thought of something.
They dropped the standard install of X11 in ML.
Makes me wonder if they are trying to eliminate possible confusion for an upcoming OS11.
 
Mess said:
Yes I do know that :) What i ment was that OSX and iOS will eventually just be 1 OS, so you will have the same OS on all apple devices.
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I think it'll go the other way.
Go from 2 families of devices up to 3 families.
iOS develops as is, with massive growth.

Refocus the Mac brand and devices back on to it's core market. While fairly small in the scheme of things this core market was enough to save the company way back when and looks like it still has small but decent growth.

Give the Air it's own brand and focus as Network Device with lightweight standalone function. Add to this family an air style iMac in a range of TV like sizes. This would allow these devices to take the consumer growth of current.

Both still run full featured OS X. Neither need to compromise to suit the other.
 
griz said:
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Hey, just thought of something.
They dropped the standard install of X11 in ML.
Makes me wonder if they are trying to eliminate possible confusion for an upcoming OS11.
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I see your point. But I don't think so. X11 was replaced anyway. And I think as long as there is a "Mac" OS, it will always be OS X.

That is until OS X becomes obsolete, but perhaps not for a whole decade more. OS X will probably be 10.9 after Mountain Lion (10.8), then 10.10, 10.11, 10.12, etc. I notice the emphases on the 10.6 and 10.7 and especially 10.8 is less and less, it's more on large cat names and "OS X".

In the beginning, 10.0 (Cheetah), 10.1 (Puma) were code names never publicly named after the cats. 10.2 Jaguar was the first Mac OS X to have a cat name. (Then Panther, Tiger, Leopard, Snow Leopard, Lion, and coming Mountain Lion)

The installer for Lion was simply an App named "Install Mac OS Lion", no mention of "X". Now will it be "Install OS X"? Before the DVD's were always called "Install Mac OS X". So I still see a trend of the "X" (Ten) staying around till the end of the 10.0 to 10.x existence.

I do not see any reason to start is "OS XI", it just doesn't look right. "OS X" is more of a Logo now than a numerical name.
 
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