Apple on Android Fragmentation, LTE, Steve Jobs' Involvement

[polaris20]

But just like Windows, it's practically impossible to have any problems unless you do something stupid.

Another analogy - if you buy a car and put the wrong type of oil in it or inflate the tyres to the wrong pressure, bad things will probably happen.

If you don't know what you're doing with your own devices then maybe you need Apple to hold your hand.

Well, there are a few problems with your theories. First of all, there are vulnerabilities in Windows that merely visiting a web page clicked on from a Google search gets your machine infected. Or, you could visit a legitimate website that has mistakenly sold ad space to people hosting malware (this has occurred with both Foxnews.com and NYTimes.com), or you can download an app that you think is legitimate, but has spyware (like PrimoPDF).

I love seeing this "As long as you know what you're doing, and you're not an idiot, you're fine" attitude.

 

[dethmaShine]

Just out of curiosity, why do you suppose that is? The *NIX family? Or something else? I'd like to hear your perspective.

If you don't mind, I would like to explain that.

I cannot vouch for all the people. I can vouch for most that I have seen.

I am a part of TI, SerDes which is designed in TI, UK [UK Design]. I have been to TI's headquarters [Dallas, Texas], a number of items, and everytime I go, I have seen people using iPhones and blackberries. TI still gives BB's to all the employees, but most have their personal iPhones. It was really hard to spot a guy using an android phone out of close to a thousand people I could spot on campus.

We run most of our software on SunOS 2.6 [Solaris]. We do some of our development work on Windows [which is a PAIN in the OS for no native support for PERL, Python, ClearCase, etc].

The reason I believe that's the case is because:

1. The most important: people have a life. They don't wish to tinker with the phones; whether its easy or hard, they just have no time. We buy smartphones to work for us and do everything on their own. We don't want to work for our 'smartphone' to make it usable. People just don't have time.

2. The quality of service Apple provides is hands down. The best customer service for any product that is theirs. It's great.

3. iPhone is probably the most usable phone at this time. Android is just on the other side. Widgets/Customization that's about it. Low quality apps/ No apps is the case there.

People want something that just works without much effort. These things are to simplify our lives and not complicate, so that we can concentrate on actual work.

Some people get this; some don't.

 

[LagunaSol]

I love seeing this "As long as you know what you're doing, and you're not an idiot, you're fine" attitude.

"Blame the user." It's the Microsoft way.

 

[TennisandMusic]

If you don't mind, I would like to explain that.

I cannot vouch for all the people. I can vouch for most that I have seen.

I am a part of TI, SerDes which is designed in TI, UK [UK Design]. I have been to TI's headquarters [Dallas, Texas], a number of items, and everytime I go, I have seen people using iPhones and blackberries. TI still gives BB's to all the employees, but most have their personal iPhones. It was really hard to spot a guy using an android phone out of close to a thousand people I could spot on campus.

We run most of our software on SunOS 2.6 [Solaris]. We do some of our development work on Windows [which is a PAIN in the OS for no native support for PERL, Python, ClearCase, etc].

The reason I believe that's the case is because:

1. The most important: people have a life. They don't wish to tinker with the phones; whether its easy or hard, they just have no time. We buy smartphones to work for us and do everything on their own. We don't want to work for our 'smartphone' to make it usable. People just don't have time.

2. The quality of service Apple provides is hands down. The best customer service for any product that is theirs. It's great.

3. iPhone is probably the most usable phone at this time. Android is just on the other side. Widgets/Customization that's about it. Low quality apps/ No apps is the case there.

People want something that just works without much effort. These things are to simplify our lives and not complicate, so that we can concentrate on actual work.

Some people get this; some don't.

Yeah I pretty much agree on those points. I've had them all, had the iPhone 4, bought an android (Galaxy S) and a windows phone 7 (Samsung Focus) and am now back on the iPhone 4 with no regrets.

 

[AndroidfoLife]

Well, there are a few problems with your theories. First of all, there are vulnerabilities in Windows that merely visiting a web page clicked on from a Google search gets your machine infected. Or, you could visit a legitimate website that has mistakenly sold ad space to people hosting malware (this has occurred with both Foxnews.com and NYTimes.com), or you can download an app that you think is legitimate, but has spyware (like PrimoPDF).

I love seeing this "As long as you know what you're doing, and you're not an idiot, you're fine" attitude.

Ok those are fake websites and they do not infect your computer just by clicking into them you have to click on the download. My friend in the dorms did last year and i fixed her computer in twenty minutes. You don't realize that people have to click on that stuff. I never click on anything like that. I torrent all day and i have yet to get a virus or spyware on my PC. (likely because of Kypresky.)

What phone do you have? My iPhone battery lasts 3 or 4 days if I don't do anything , who cares.

Real Netflix App
Any Game made by Epic
About 2/3s of EAs games. (and the ones there only run on like 2 phones).

This is just the beginning.. I could add 100 more if you like. Your free tethering is no different then getting free tethering on an iPhone. It is not carrier supported (At least on AT&T) and they will always be working to try and block it.

On android I enjoy every game made on NES, SNES, gameboy, Gameboy advance, Saturn, Genesis, and for higher end phones N64, DS, Playstation, with PS2 comming. Thats millions of games I have access too. Don't tout its illegal. Illegal or not its still a benefit of android.

Sorry I don't watch movies on my 3.5 inch screen not worth it. Can't wait to get the transformer and watch it on the real web browser though.

 

[cmaier]

"Blame the user." It's the Microsoft way.

You're holding it wrong.

Come on, you were just asking for that

 

[dethmaShine]

You're holding it wrong.

Come on, you were just asking for that

Isn't that the same thing google said with the nexus one?

I may be forgetting something.

 

[gnasher729]

I don't. I just don't have OS/X.

So for the record: Not only do you constantly post whatever negative things about Apple and Apple products come to your mind, but you actually have not the slightest clue what you are talking about?

 

[gnasher729]

You must live in a alternate univerise if think that Apple users are tech savy. You average user is very happy to have Apple control thier experience, ie they are techtards. And frankly owning an Apple product is the best thing for them, with a PC etc they will just get themselves into trouble.

As a professional software developer, I can assure you that among people of my profession, the majority use a Macintosh for their private use. In some related professions (product design) it's not the majority, it is everyone. And I'm not not talking about artsy-fartsy type, I am talking about designers who I seriously trust to design products that will pay for my salary for the next few years. In other related professions (QA) I have the impression that more of them use Macs, but that is more anecdotal.

 

[iliketyla]

So now you are justifying your reason for stealing music. You can afford a Macbook Air but you can't afford a $1 for music. You really put in prespective the brillance and intelligence that is Fandroids.

Yes, it's because I like Android that I choose to torrent my music, brilliant logic there.

You are a horribly immoral person.

I don't steal big macs from your place of work. Get a grip on your attitude.

Stay with your inferior Android devices. Nobody cares about the only thing you can cite that is better is that you are better capable of breaking the law and stealing from other people.

I could cite a thousand reasons why I choose to use Android over iOS, but since my opinion isn't in line with yours it wouldn't matter because you're a close minded Apple fanboy. And insinuating that I work at McDonald's was very clever, kudos to you.

If you don't mind, what's your stance on Arizona's Immigration Law on illegals?

I don't have enough posts yet to comment on this bud, see you when I hit 100.

No worries gwangung - anyone who admits to listening to Lil Wayne isn't worth your time lol

Yes, anyone who listens to one of the most popular rap artists in the history of music isn't worth your time.

Anyone with differing views for that matter. Imagine if everyone in the world were so close minded.

None of you have proved anything.

 

[Rodimus Prime]

Shhh. Your experiences are obviously the exception, since they don't conform to his viewpoints.

To be honest, the really "tech savy" ones are the ones who can and do use MULTIPLE platforms. Not just Windows, nor Mac, nor Linux, but a combination of many.

I do love his "IT guy" argument though. I just had a friend's father, 20+ years as an IT Professional, convert over to Mac after getting fed up with the Windows Virus/Malware/other random issues train.

He posted the pic of him in the Apple store looking at an iMac with the caption, "You're doing it right."

I find them funny too because I can sit the example around here in around me in my class full of Computer Engineering and Computer Sciences majors and look at their phones.
The iPhone is in the minority. in a class of 30 you might have 2 iPhones which is out numbered by Android, and blackberry. Android being the most popular by far followed by blackberry then dumb phones. Then you get to iPhone.

It is not that we do not like the iPhone. We just have no in interested in the iPhone. Fair number of people I have noticed have iPads and iPods but we just do not want the iPhone. From the AT&T users for a while there was bitching about the lack of android phones.

 

[MrNomNoms]

Wondering why Android users are on a Mac forum?

The discussion of who has the better device is useless.

Whatever works for you is fine. Whatever works for me is fine.

The day something really good comes out on either platform the media will report it , we will see advertising and we can read reviews and check things out and decide what to buy next.

Do I feel ghz or chip envy about standby time, camera resolution mp, or app availability?

Couldn't care less, if my device does what I want it to do.

So, Android guys, you have the best device if you decide so.

No need to look at what Apple does. It will come to your device too, just a little later when the copies are ready.

Perhaps they also own Macs, after all a lot of iPhone owners have Windows PCs.

I have a Windows Phone 7 device and I own two Mac's - there seems to be this idea out there that if you own a Mac you must be 100% Apple in all devices used. Actually funny enough the positive experience I've had so far it might actually convert me to Windows 8 when it is released if Apple keeps getting distracted by pandering to the iOS crowd.

What is wrong with Lil Wayne?

Everything.

It is as bad as one person complaining about iTunes organising of their files given most of their music is 'herp feat. derp'. I think there are greater issues at stake than how iTunes organises ones music.

I keep hearing this, but in just over 10 years now, I have yet to see one virus -- you know, a self-propagating piece of software (not counting trojans or user-initiated apps). For all the IT "geniuses" on this board, you obviously ALL failed statistics (because OS X should not have a virus count == 0, but it does).

Unfortunately we have a whole heap of 'computer experts' on this forum who attach 'virus' onto anything they want whilst ignoring there is a huge difference between a malware and a virus.

 

[iliketyla]

Unfortunately we have a whole heap of 'computer experts' on this forum who attach 'virus' onto anything they want whilst ignoring there is a huge difference between a malware and a virus.

I know I'm going to get flamed, but in the 7 or 8 years before I was bought a Macintosh computer, I never once encountered a virus while using Windows machines. Malware, yes. But ever since I gained even the most basic knowledge of how to use a computer competently, I have zero problems anymore.

I can seamlessly go from Windows to Macintosh with no problems.

Maybe I don't represent the majority of the population, but it always annoys me when people perpetuate this thinking that Windows is so virus filled.

 

[LagunaSol]

Maybe I don't represent the majority of the population, but it always annoys me when people perpetuate this thinking that Windows is so virus filled.

Hence the robust market for Windows anti-virus software?

(As for malware vs. virus, to the consumer it doesn't matter. Both suck.)

 

[iliketyla]

Hence the robust market for Windows anti-virus software?

(As for malware vs. virus, to the consumer it doesn't matter. Both suck.)

....yeah the anti-virus software that I don't use.

It's a clever marketing ploy.

OH MY GOD MY TEH PC COULD GET HAXORED?!?!!@2/22?

I CAN HAZ NORTON ANTI-VIRUS!?34@
OMNONNOMNNONOMNONOM

 

[pkson]

If you don't mind, I would like to explain that.

I cannot vouch for all the people. I can vouch for most that I have seen.

I am a part of TI, SerDes which is designed in TI, UK [UK Design]. I have been to TI's headquarters [Dallas, Texas], a number of items, and everytime I go, I have seen people using iPhones and blackberries. TI still gives BB's to all the employees, but most have their personal iPhones. It was really hard to spot a guy using an android phone out of close to a thousand people I could spot on campus.

We run most of our software on SunOS 2.6 [Solaris]. We do some of our development work on Windows [which is a PAIN in the OS for no native support for PERL, Python, ClearCase, etc].

The reason I believe that's the case is because:

1. The most important: people have a life. They don't wish to tinker with the phones; whether its easy or hard, they just have no time. We buy smartphones to work for us and do everything on their own. We don't want to work for our 'smartphone' to make it usable. People just don't have time.

2. The quality of service Apple provides is hands down. The best customer service for any product that is theirs. It's great.

3. iPhone is probably the most usable phone at this time. Android is just on the other side. Widgets/Customization that's about it. Low quality apps/ No apps is the case there.

People want something that just works without much effort. These things are to simplify our lives and not complicate, so that we can concentrate on actual work.

Some people get this; some don't.

After reading through the whole thread, I really liked this post.

It's funny how the phrase "It just works" can be used in both ways.

The best part is that it comes from an un-disputable IT person. Thanks for putting in the weight.

Working smoothly is probably one of the biggest reasons the iPhone could gain so much ground.

So hats off to you sir.

PS. I love TI. My dad used to use an old TI scientific calculator in the 80s, and I still have a soft spot for TI. (Used to live in TX as well! haha)

 

[pkson]

....yeah the anti-virus software that I don't use.

It's a clever marketing ploy.

OH MY GOD MY TEH PC COULD GET HAXORED?!?!!@2/22?

I CAN HAZ NORTON ANTI-VIRUS!?34@
OMNONNOMNNONOMNONOM

I didn't know you were still here.

So all those people telling you that stealing is bad and everything just flew over your head, eh?
And you post rubbish like... well like your post?

I don't know much about you, but whatever you do in the future (or maybe now) when people steal stuff from you, I'm sure you would be OK... or is that considered bad because you're not as rich as Kanye?

 

[cmaier]

Isn't that the same thing google said with the nexus one?

I may be forgetting something.

No, but how is that relevant anyway? An Apple fan was dissing microsoft.

 

[LightSpeed1]

It was only a matter of time.

 

[dethmaShine]

No, but how is that relevant anyway? An Apple fan was dissing microsoft.

No I was just saying that 'holding it wrong' is a phrase that came out first from Google.
So putting it in that context would be wrong.

 

[iliketyla]

I didn't know you were still here.

So all those people telling you that stealing is bad and everything just flew over your head, eh?
And you post rubbish like... well like your post?

I don't know much about you, but whatever you do in the future (or maybe now) when people steal stuff from you, I'm sure you would be OK... or is that considered bad because you're not as rich as Kanye?

Who even are you?

 

[MrNomNoms]

I know I'm going to get flamed, but in the 7 or 8 years before I was bought a Macintosh computer, I never once encountered a virus while using Windows machines. Malware, yes. But ever since I gained even the most basic knowledge of how to use a computer competently, I have zero problems anymore.

I can seamlessly go from Windows to Macintosh with no problems.

Maybe I don't represent the majority of the population, but it always annoys me when people perpetuate this thinking that Windows is so virus filled.

I've only been infected by a piece of malware once on Windows but that was almost a decade ago and it was because I downloaded a keygen for an application and it had some nasty piece of malware in it - in otherwords I bought it upon myself by being stupid and trying to pirate a piece of software. It is amazing when I do see people get infected the vast majority of the time they're not doing anything innocent but more like screwing around with stuff they know nothing about.

I've moved back and forths between Windows and Macintosh, not once have I experienced major problems. When I have experienced problems with either one it has to do with the hardware or some other external factor rather than the operating system itself.

Btw, on the subject of issues - 10.6.7 issue relating to fonts still not resolved; imagine if Microsoft made a similar mistake, you'd never hear the end of it from Macintosh fanboys.