Apple on Android Fragmentation, LTE, Steve Jobs' Involvement

[addicted44]

Ah yes, the ever present "Android users must be smarter because they can customize their phones more" argument. It's still as irritating and off-base as it always was.

Its amazing how all those "smart" Android users are still poorer than the average iOS user, and spend less than the average iOS user.

Amazing that all these "smart" people just make so much less money...

 

[AndroidfoLife]

Huh? That's not Apple's fault; just like it isn't Google's fault Android only sells two phone models.

iOS runs on three devices and they all can run the same applications, so there's a large addressable market for developers that is important to consider.

It skews the number non the less. iOS is on four different devices the iTv, iPod touch, iphone, and the ipod touch jumbo. And google doesn't make any hardware. They work with companies to have them made like the nexus series.

 

[DeathChill]

It skews the number non the less. iOS is on four different devices the iTv, iPod touch, iphone, and the ipod touch jumbo. And google doesn't make any hardware. They work with companies to have them made like the nexus series.

It's not skewing the number at all because that's the addressable market for any developer developing on iOS.

 

[DroidRules]

But just like Windows, it's practically impossible to have any problems unless you do something stupid.

Another analogy - if you buy a car and put the wrong type of oil in it or inflate the tyres to the wrong pressure, bad things will probably happen.

If you don't know what you're doing with your own devices then maybe you need Apple to hold your hand.

I almost shot milk out my nose! Funny cause it's true.

http://youtu.be/8DYje57V_BY

 

[paul4339]

It skews the number non the less. iOS is on four different devices the iTv, iPod touch, iphone, and the ipod touch jumbo. And google doesn't make any hardware. They work with companies to have them made like the nexus series.

The comScore data tracks the number of users ... so if you use four idevices, it's still counted as one user... at least that's what the article mentions.

 

[Nicksd84]

Android is to Windows, as iOS is to Mac OS.

The similarities are astounding — Google is doing the same thing Microsoft did back in the day.

As much as Apple cares about marketshare, the experience is more important to them then the product itself. That's really something.

To an extent. Apple's breakthrough with the iPhone just can't be beat. The market was established and it sucked. They just blew everyone out and now the parallels are there with MS to Apple, but Apple has a much larger say. Meaning, android is similar to MS with windows, but they don't have the established dominance. I see it now at my current job, we're still using Windows XP... and they just can't change.

However, they are trying the iPad because they know the results and they know Apple's end game isn't stick an iPad everywhere, but make a damn good product. Most businesses have been burned with using one vendor and then getting stuck and long term screwed, but I think there is a trust with Apple. We will see if Apple can maintain high quality and innovation with larger demands.

It skews the number non the less. iOS is on four different devices the iTv, iPod touch, iphone, and the ipod touch jumbo. And google doesn't make any hardware. They work with companies to have them made like the nexus series.

Didn't you just dismiss your own point? Android can be on an "infinite" number of devices, iOS is locked into 4. Also what's an iTV? Yes I am being a fan boy to an extent, but if you're going to argue make it substantive.

Why would making the hardware skew the number for the operating system?

 

[PlipPlop]

In other news Steve Jobs still scared of the pure domination of Android in the smartphone market.

 

[The Beatles]

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But just like Windows, it's practically impossible to have any problems unless you do something stupid.

Another analogy - if you buy a car and put the wrong type of oil in it or inflate the tyres to the wrong pressure, bad things will probably happen.

If you don't know what you're doing with your own devices then maybe you need Apple to hold your hand.

The average user is stupid when it comes to using Windows, installing random programs, clicking yes to popups in porn sites.

Using your analogy, Apple tends to like to check the type of oil before it goes into the car, to avoid bad things from happening.

Most people don't know what they're doing and they DO like having Apple hold their hands.

Hell yeah I want apple to watch my back. Nothing wrong with having someone capable to deal with minutia while I focus on my life. "Apple holding hands" is just someones attempt to make iPhone owners feel bad. I see it as sad or childish depending on age of the person saying it. He'll yeah apple, watch my back and thank you.

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Ive had macs sine the late 90's, ipad, all iphones etc.

But this summer im getting the galaxy s2. But i like to customize stuff. I feel the iphone is generic. Everyone is the same with a different background.

I feel they can do so much more with their os. And yes apple fanboys will say just wait for ios 5.0. Problem is we have this disucussion last year to.

Also with honeycomb android actually made a tablet os. I hate that theipad is just a scaled version of the iphone os. Use the screenspace.

Dont get me wrong. I love apple. But they have their shortcomings. Dunno why the iphone 5 (rumors) will get delayed. Then android will get a surge the next months.

Also i feel sorry for those who are mindeless zombies and just buy whatever the company makes. That goes for both parts ofcourse.

I jusr love the open feel of android. Play a 1080p mkv if i want. Download torrrnts. File system. Widgets, cusromaztion. And i love the apple ecosystem, just not how closed the experienced gets.

I just hope we can respect people for having different taste, and jusr enjoy our purchase. And dont pick on eachother

I absolutely respect your decision. I think the disrespect comes from immature posts not necessarily the opinions coming from respectful individs. I like the iPhone cause it does what I need. I don't need/want all the tinkering, torrents and such. Especially on a phone or tablet. Those devices for me are email, web, consumption and they do it very well with Apple quality. I use to customize my computer but it got old after a while. To me it's the philosophy/thinking behind Apples products. Now if I was a tinkerer then I'd jail break or go android but the iOS has always allowed me to do whatever I've tried to do.

I am interested in peoples experiences with tier mobile software so make sure you come back and tell us all about your experience.

 

[Uragon]

Delving into this would drive the conversation in an entirely different direction, and I don't feel like going off topic. Pay for your music, it's your choice. I'll continue to illegally download mine and enjoy it just as much.

I'll also continue to pirate software. Cry about it.

If you don't mind, what's your stance on Arizona's Immigration Law on illegals?

 

[The Beatles]

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So wait, you don't own a Mac or an iDevice but you post here constantly?

Is that a prerequisite? I have Apple battery charger.

Haha LILO your either a strange breed or a fence sitter. You don't have any apple products but you post here. LOL that's brilliant. Well it's good to have you buddy, owning an apple product isn't mandatory but since most comments are discussing the apple experience, it could be helpful. I'm not talking using tour friends apple for a few minutes, I'm talking about using it day in/ day out.

I remember when the iPhone came out and playing with it at At&T, I said to myself "phh, big deal" but once I got it and lived with it, I ended up thinking how could I have lived without it. Great products, but I'm sure you don't need me to tell you that.

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No, of course not. I just find it interesting that someone who clearly dislikes a company and its products so much has so much free time to spend on a board for people who do enjoy said company and products.

So this site is for fanboys only?

Put down the pipe wiidsmoker, that's not what he's saying at all

And they say smoking is harmless, yeah right.

 

[CQd44]

Its amazing how all those "smart" Android users are still poorer than the average iOS user, and spend less than the average iOS user.

Amazing that all these "smart" people just make so much less money...

Are you ****ing serious?

I don't use Apple products but oh my god I feel bad for you guys. Having a fanboy like this must be ridiculously crappy.

 

[The Beatles]

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Its amazing how all those "smart" Android users are still poorer than the average iOS user, and spend less than the average iOS user.

Amazing that all these "smart" people just make so much less money...

Are you ****ing serious?

I don't use Apple products but oh my god I feel bad for you guys. Having a fanboy like this must be ridiculously crappy.

Hey addicted, I agree. Who ever posted that comment has s*** for brains. It's such an ignorant comment. And that my friend is why America sucks, American citizens still don't realize why some have and others have not. I'm guessing he takes on consumer debt to buy his apple products. Good American robot.

 

[OllyW]

Its amazing how all those "smart" Android users are still poorer than the average iOS user, and spend less than the average iOS user.

Amazing that all these "smart" people just make so much less money...

At least they don't have to worry about other people thinking they are smug arrogant tosspots.

 

[Winni]

Android is to Windows, as iOS is to Mac OS.

The similarities are astounding — Google is doing the same thing Microsoft did back in the day.

As much as Apple cares about marketshare, the experience is more important to them then the product itself. That's really something.

If they really cared that much about user experience, then iOS wouldn't be the Walled Garden that it is and iTunes wouldn't be such a royal pain in the neck to use.

Just an anecdote from my last week with an iPhone and a first generation Google G1 phone (which I have to use when I'm on 7/24-on call-duty): I moved to a new house where I do not yet have a DSL line and also no 3G/UMTS connectivity. Both the iPhone and the G1 use Deutsche Telekom, and while the iPhone always tells me that "it cannot activate the data network", the G1 manages to give me Internet access at the same location with the same carrier.

So in real world use, the iPhone lets me down while the Android phone does not.

 

[zacman]

Ouch, it must really have hurt Apple that Android *smartphones* outsold all Apple iOS *devices* worldwide in Q1 (40 million Android smartphones compared to 32 million iOS devices). So they now are making again strange comparisons that only cover *one* market and *phones* vs. *devices.

And "largest app store":
Why didn't Apple give any real numbers here? The last number was 350k in January, in March they said it's over "350k". So how much is it? Probably about 375k now but under 400k as Apple would announce that. Android market now has 325k apps but there are about 35k new apps *per month*. So in one quarter the Android market currently gets about 105k new apps. What's the growth rate in the Apple app store? That's the interesting number to see how confident developers are with the future of the platform.

 

[caspersoong]

Everything I hear Android, I think of piracy. And customizing for hours or days.

 

[currentinterest]

And Google makes almost nothing from all those Android giveaways, while Apple rakes in 52% of all the profit made in the mobile phone market. I think they know what they are doing.

 

[Rasta4i]

Irregardless of whether or not carriers will lock it down, it's available RIGHT NOW. And in the event that they put in measures to stop it, someone will find a way around it eventually.
It was NEVER available for iOS.

Your wariness in downloading apps doesn't negate the fact that there are many apps available, and all you have to do is spend an extra 20 seconds reading reviews to find out if the app is legitimate or not.

I had poor battery life on my Optimus as well. Then I found Data Switch, and my battery lasts forever now. I haven't tested how long it will go, but I imagine I'd easily get 2 days out of it.

I just hate that people have to blindly bash Android products, and this isn't aimed directly at you, just the majority of users on this site in general.

I respect the iPhone, it's a beautiful piece of hardware.
It works, and it works well.

However, with the little bit of knowledge that I have, my Android phone works just as well FOR ME, and I paid nothing for it.

The value in an iPhone just isn't there for me in particular.

The way you speak about tethering is as if apple are charging you for it... I live in the UK where the iphone is on every network now, some allow tethering for free some made you pay. I was with o2, they were the first network to get the iphone over here and they no longer charge extra for tethering. you saying it was never available on iOS confuses me as its clearly not true and based on the carrier

 

[MH01]

So you are insulting all Apple users as those who "don't know what you're doing with your own devices."

You must live in a alternate univerise if think that Apple users are tech savy. You average user is very happy to have Apple control thier experience, ie they are techtards. And frankly owning an Apple product is the best thing for them, with a PC etc they will just get themselves into trouble.

If your still under some illusion of how tech savy they are read through the macrumors forums...... and remeber they are the more tech savy ones!

I have moved every family member over to mac who has no idea about computer, they are happy. The people I know who work in IT, develop and are really tech savy, still have a PC (and an android, some have both android and iphone)

 

[phalseHUD]

Its amazing how all those "smart" Android users are still poorer than the average iOS user, and spend less than the average iOS user.

Amazing that all these "smart" people just make so much less money...

I've browsed these forums for a while and used to post under a different name until I started work for a certain company which shall remain nameless! But this has to be one of the most pathetic comments I've ever read on here.

 

[dethmaShine]

Android is the best and Apple is losing marketshare.

Simple.

I must go back to my basement now.

 

[deus_ex_machina]

I live in a country of excess. Excuse me if I don't weep at night because Kanye West or Lil Wayne are missing out on my $1+ for their songs.

If an artist isn't mainstream, I'll gladly pay for their music to support it. But since my musical tastes tend to gravitate towards major artists, I don't think twice when I torrent their albums.

No worries gwangung - anyone who admits to listening to Lil Wayne isn't worth your time lol

 

[Icaras]

No worries gwangung - anyone who admits to listening to Lil Wayne isn't worth your time lol

I was thinking this as well

 

[dethmaShine]

You must live in a alternate univerise if think that Apple users are tech savy. You average user is very happy to have Apple control thier experience, ie they are techtards. And frankly owning an Apple product is the best thing for them, with a PC etc they will just get themselves into trouble.

If your still under some illusion of how tech savy they are read through the macrumors forums...... and remeber they are the more tech savy ones!

I have moved every family member over to mac who has no idea about computer, they are happy. The people I know who work in IT, develop and are really tech savy, still have a PC (and an android, some have both android and iphone)

Love those misconceptions. Good going. Right one for you.

 

[MrNomNoms]

It's interesting how Apple seem to put the customer (and the customer's experience) first and profit big time in the process.

Note to self - note the above.

It is the old story, focus on the product and the profits will follow. The problem is far too many focus on the profit and ignore the product resulting in a crap product no person wants to buy.