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No one gives a damn about blu-ray because for the general consumer dvd's are good enough, which is why blu-ray will dissapear in 5 years just like Samsung predicted and they actually sit on the blu-ray board.

I find your statement hard to believe if you can't back it up with any supporting evidence. As I mentioned earlier, 1 million Blu-ray sales of Iron Man and an already unprecedented pre-order of The Dark Knight on Blu-ray defeats your argument of "No one gives a damn about Blu-ray." Plenty of audio and videophiles love Blu-ray and the whole reason why it's been supposedly slow to adopt is because people were waiting for the format wars to end which only happened at the beginning of this year if I remember correctly. Now that Blu-ray is the clear winner, you can expect more and more people, not just audio and videophiles, to buy Blu-ray players as we head into the holiday season. You can get a Blu-ray player for under $300 now and I'm sure as more people adopt the standard, Blu-ray movies will come down in price. In the meantime, you can find great deals on Amazon.

If your personal opinion is that you see no value in Blu-ray, then of course, you are obligated to believe and feel what you do. However it is entirely different to make general sweeping claims that are not based on anything. I don't doubt what you're saying about Samsung predicting Blu-ray will be dead in 5 years. But a prediction is simply that, a prediction. In the meantime though, Samsung is still producing Blu-ray players and in fact just came out with new models. So rather than allow Samsung to make decisions, let the consumer make the decision of whether or not they want to adopt Blu-ray as a viable medium.
 
Just came across this on bluray.com



AMEX Launches Portable Blu-ray Drive for Mac

Posted October 16, 2008 11:41 AM by Josh Dreuth

TDK While Steve Jobs may call Blu-ray "bag of hurt", actual users of Apple products realize that Blu-ray provides enormous amounts of storage, something that is essential to anyone who does any image or video editing on their Mac. AMEX understands this need, and has launched their "Portable Blu-ray Super Multi Drive", developed especially for use with Apple computers.

This tiny drive (140 x 143 x 16 mm) connects to your Mac via a USB port which also power the device. It can read and write to any optical disc media out there, including both BD-R and BD-E in both standard 12cm and mini 8cm sizes.

So, if you're one of those Apple users who feel a bit slighted by Apple's recent lack of a Blu-ray announced, here is another option to consider. The drive is available now for a suggested retail price of $289.


http://www.amexdigital.com/Press_Release-E_Portable Blu-ray Super Multi Drive.htm
 
If no one cares about Blu-ray then by your logic no-one would buy HD downloads either, because SD is good enough and will download much quicker and take up less disk space.

OUCH! Adjei -- Porco put the hurt on you with that one. SD is not good enough, everyone who has a new HDTV wants to fill it with HD content. This is the Christmas of Blu-Ray, watch and see. Black Friday will have players down to $199, and people will snap them up, the argument that no-one will benefit by watching Blu-Ray on a 15 inch screen may be true, but I don't want to have to buy the same movie twice so I can watch it on the road, or on a plane.

Apple missed the boat, but I expect it is easily remedied by simply replacing the optical drive and writing some software (which I expect they are already doing in Snow Leopard), I hope they give the LCD's better resolution to go with it. Don't care about 16x9 or 16x10, just give us the pixels.
 
Blu-Ray - "It’s great to watch the movies, but the licensing of the tech is so complex, we’re waiting till things settle down and Blu-ray takes off in the marketplace."

How can the licensing be that difficult? Apple, Inc. is a member of the Blu-Ray Disc Association, and holds a seat on its Board of Directors. As you may recall, this is the consortium which developed the format and is responsible for the licensing. The licensing is a phone call downstairs to the general counsel's office away.

How is it that Michael Dell & Co. can put it on their laptops as a $200.00 option, and Apple can't do the same? (Source: See http://tinyurl.com/42meud which links to the Dell laptop configurator....navigate over to the "Optical Drive" section).

This argument is totally specious...if the price point/profit margin isn't right, just say that. Don't lie.
 
By the way, I do think Apple will incorporate Blu-Ray optical drives that can read and write BD format disks within the next year or so--they almost have the complete technology to play Blu-Ray discs on their latest MacBooks with the new nVidia graphics chipsets, with only the HDCP support lacking.

Now that even Blu-Ray console players are dropping under US$250 at the retail level (complete with full Profile 2.0 specification BD-Live support!), the cost barrier for more people to buy Blu-Ray players is starting to fall. I've compared the standard anamorphic widscreen DVD and the Blu-Ray disc of the Disney/Pixar movie Cars--the Blu-Ray disc wins hands down because even with upconversion to 1080p format, a standard DVD still lacks the extreme sharpness you get from a real Blu-Ray disc. This is why everyone is looking forward to the Blu-Ray release of the three Lord of the Rings movies coming in 2009--how can you miss with 1080p resolution and a real Dolby TrueHD or DTS Master Audio 6.1 soundtrack? :D
 
Blu-Ray - "It’s great to watch the movies, but the licensing of the tech is so complex, we’re waiting till things settle down and Blu-ray takes off in the marketplace."
I agree wit this, because to me it would be better to watch BDs on a HDTV screen... not on desktops. I think there's still a few years for the Drive's price to come down and the disc itself to become ubiquitous like DVDs.

TouchScreen Display - "so far it hasn’t made a lot of sense to us."
but what about the iPhone -- that's also touch screen... one valid point to apple -- it'll be very awkward to multitouch a wobbly laptop screen... or a scaled-up iphone perhaps (running standard OS X)?

Netbook (low cost laptop) - "a nascent market that’s just getting started."
My brother just got a Lenovo S10 and it looks like a toy. I tried typing on the keyboard and to be honest, one can't really do any productive stuff on it, although it has decent processing power to take the laptop on a trip or what not. the screen is so small/... however, it's really light... I would prefer apple's macbook air (good approach, apple!) -- light, full-sized keyboard and decent screen. the downside, is of course, the price.
 
If no one cares about Blu-ray then by your logic no-one would buy HD downloads either, because SD is good enough and will download much quicker and take up less disk space.
Yes that's what I believe, if you gave consumers the choice between SD downloads and HD downloads they would go for SD, it also helps their pocketbook.
 
I find your statement hard to believe if you can't back it up with any supporting evidence. As I mentioned earlier, 1 million Blu-ray sales of Iron Man and an already unprecedented pre-order of The Dark Knight on Blu-ray defeats your argument of "No one gives a damn about Blu-ray." Plenty of audio and videophiles love Blu-ray and the whole reason why it's been supposedly slow to adopt is because people were waiting for the format wars to end which only happened at the beginning of this year if I remember correctly. Now that Blu-ray is the clear winner, you can expect more and more people, not just audio and videophiles, to buy Blu-ray players as we head into the holiday season. You can get a Blu-ray player for under $300 now and I'm sure as more people adopt the standard, Blu-ray movies will come down in price. In the meantime, you can find great deals on Amazon.

If your personal opinion is that you see no value in Blu-ray, then of course, you are obligated to believe and feel what you do. However it is entirely different to make general sweeping claims that are not based on anything. I don't doubt what you're saying about Samsung predicting Blu-ray will be dead in 5 years. But a prediction is simply that, a prediction. In the meantime though, Samsung is still producing Blu-ray players and in fact just came out with new models. So rather than allow Samsung to make decisions, let the consumer make the decision of whether or not they want to adopt Blu-ray as a viable medium.
Blu-ray is a small niche, it will never overtake DVD and by the time people start getting into digital downloads it will be too late for it.
 
I agree wit this, because to me it would be better to watch BDs on a HDTV screen... not on desktops. I think there's still a few years for the Drive's price to come down and the disc itself to become ubiquitous like DVDs.


but what about the iPhone -- that's also touch screen... one valid point to apple -- it'll be very awkward to multitouch a wobbly laptop screen... or a scaled-up iphone perhaps (running standard OS X)?


My brother just got a Lenovo S10 and it looks like a toy. I tried typing on the keyboard and to be honest, one can't really do any productive stuff on it, although it has decent processing power to take the laptop on a trip or what not. the screen is so small/... however, it's really light... I would prefer apple's macbook air (good approach, apple!) -- light, full-sized keyboard and decent screen. the downside, is of course, the price.
Netbooks are toys and aren't productive, the screens are to small and you have to squint your eyes to use and the keyboards are garbage. They are toys and should be given to small children.
 
:rolleyes:
Just came across this on bluray.com



AMEX Launches Portable Blu-ray Drive for Mac

Posted October 16, 2008 11:41 AM by Josh Dreuth

TDK While Steve Jobs may call Blu-ray "bag of hurt", actual users of Apple products realize that Blu-ray provides enormous amounts of storage, something that is essential to anyone who does any image or video editing on their Mac. AMEX understands this need, and has launched their "Portable Blu-ray Super Multi Drive", developed especially for use with Apple computers.

This tiny drive (140 x 143 x 16 mm) connects to your Mac via a USB port which also power the device. It can read and write to any optical disc media out there, including both BD-R and BD-E in both standard 12cm and mini 8cm sizes.

So, if you're one of those Apple users who feel a bit slighted by Apple's recent lack of a Blu-ray announced, here is another option to consider. The drive is available now for a suggested retail price of $289.


http://www.amexdigital.com/Press_Release-E_Portable Blu-ray Super Multi Drive.htm
So can this be used to watch blu-rays on a 13 inch macbook?
 
Netbooks are toys and aren't productive, the screens are to small and you have to squint your eyes to use and the keyboards are garbage. They are toys and should be given to small children.

Then the iPhone must really be a child's toy.
 
Blu-ray is a small niche, it will never overtake DVD and by the time people start getting into digital downloads it will be too late for it.

I guess we will just have to see. Only time will tell. My feeling from what I've read about Blu-ray sales figures is that the market isn't slowing down anytime soon. If Blu-ray does well during the holiday season, I believe the momentum will swing in its favor.

Your argument of Blu-ray never being able to overtake DVD is irrelevant in that Blu-ray players are backwards compatible. What I think will happen is that people who upgrade to a Blu-ray player are not going to be interested in buying Blu-ray copies of their existing collection but rather, will only buy Blu-ray discs from that point on unless they want a movie that isn't available in Blu-ray. The misconception here is that Blu-ray is out to replace DVDs entirely. I'm pretty sure that there are going to be movies, tv shows, etc. that will never see the light of Blu-ray or high definition but that's ok because a Blu-ray can play them just fine and actually upconvert them so that at least you can see them in 1080p on your screen.
 
Little dissapointed at Steve's comments

I like many was sad to hear Jobs thwart hopes for blueray integration and touch screens but the new macbook and macbook pro look sexy. Just ordered a macbook. Sure i wish it had firewire and white keys without a black bezel but still frickin cool.
 
what ever happened to talking these things up Steve!

Seems all a little too hard to me (well that's what I read into it)

Where's the Apple that the others follow?

Get into the time machine (no, NOT Apple "Time Machine") and go back about eight years when iCrap was a gleam in Jobs eye.

:apple:
 
Really

"but the licensing of the tech is so complex"

Too complex for Dell, or HP, or Toshiba, or Acer...

errr..

That would be a no.

All four can sell you laptops half the price of a MBP with a Bluray drive.

Apple are stalling

...and the stock will keep falling.

:apple:
 
3 days on i i still don't see anything positive...

so why have you got rid of firewire steve:

'well it is being phased out, all newer HD camcorders are USB2'

well steve, why not give as at least a 3rd usb port then :mad:
 
Apple's Dirty Little Secret

It's pretty obvious that 98% of the folks against Blu-ray physical media and optical drives are not content creators nor buyers, but content pirates with superfast internet connections.

It's also obvious that from the beginning, Apple has pretty much catered to content pirates with much of Apple technology that appeared first on Apple computers, believing that pirates and theft drive the market.

So that's why no Blu-ray for the content creators that needed it 3 YEARS ago; because theft of the content through downloading was impossible.

As soon as Apple figures out a way to rip Blu-ray, it will be a given, because all the content pirates decrying it now will be clamoring for it.

Basically the philosophy goes like this: if it can't easily be ripped, Apple is just not interested in it, no matter HOW backwards and behind everyone else it makes their product, and how much content creators need it.

Content creators are the least priority for Apple despite extensive marketing to them in the past and currently, because for every content creator there are thousands of content consumers and many thousands of content pirates.

:apple:
 
Consumers have the choice to buy an HD or SD television. Why is it that large HDTV's are selling?
Prices between HD and SD televisions are neglible with more benefits that can be seen by the consumer. HD shows cost more than SD shows without many benefits.
 
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