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*bangs head on desk*

How can the customer see benefits of an HD television WITHOUT an HD SOURCE?

Do not wasted your time.. I bet he's not old enough to have a job or buy HDTV.. We all know that if you walk into any store that sells TV, all you see is HDTV no SDTV.. Also he has no clue about any thing because High Internet Providers are now adding caps on how much you can download (bandwidth).. That means if you have VOIP thats not by the Internet Provider that cuts into your bandwidth use long with streaming, downloading large files (no kiddy lol) and playing online games..

Downloading is not going be the best way no matter how you look at it.. Blu-ray is the way to go because it be safer and cheaper in the long run.. I am sorry but I am not going to pay more just to download HD movies or SD for that matter...

(for Adjei) Oh and every local channel is in HD here where I live long with SATHD or Cable HD... Oh it only cost $10 more to get HD channels or free it you use over the air. HD channels are there from Cable and Sat and $10 to get HD is cheap...
 
But its not the Mid range MacBook.... all they've added is the SuperDrive and charged £20 for it. It still ships with a ridiculous 1GB RAM and 120GB hard drive like the previous ComboDrive version
You can get similar spec'd laptops from others for £400 less and they will still have more memory.

Honestly, It's sounds like Apple is ripping you guys off badly. From my experience the exchange rate is around £1 = $2USD. So basically, the $999USD is costing about $1,438USD add taxes (VAT) to that and you're probably spending as much as we do for the aluminum MBs. Have any of you guys tried purchasing from a 3rd party reseller? You'll probably have to wait a bit for them to update stock, but I'm sure they would ship to the UK. I would try:B & H Photo/Video at least I know they have a UK help number.
 
i would like to give adjei an award...
biggest fanboy ever?
i mean i saw u in many threads always pro apple and u never doubt or criticize apples decisions...
and i dont think that mediums like dvds or blue ray will just vanish in 5years.
didnt some people say that books would vanish due to computer and internet and its nowhere near that...
and remember dvd used to be expensive as well... blue ray discs price will drop drastically within a year
 
It's not too bad of a deal, but even with educational discount applied it makes sense to get one from the US if it's convenient, otherwise, well, it's not really worth importing and paying the price of postage. I'll certainly be sorely tempted if I stumble upon the Apple Store in NY..
 
'well it is being phased out, all newer HD camcorders are USB2'
So I have to go out and buy a new DV Camera to replace my near new one that works fine?

BTW - the BBC show "Click" talked about touch and other methods to interact with your computer.
 
Netbooks are toys and aren't productive, the screens are to small and you have to squint your eyes to use and the keyboards are garbage. They are toys and should be given to small children.
I really, really hope that Apple releases a netbook tomorrow so I can watch your fanboy attitude change tomorrow about how netbooks are so great, etc.
 
So I have to go out and buy a new DV Camera to replace my near new one that works fine?

Yes. This is how the industry works anyway. Not every camcorder in the market went USB2, since USB2 is still the worst way to connect to a device that has to transfer large amounts of data. Hopefully the techs working on USB3 will get their act together, and make sustained write speeds actually sustainable, and constant.

I really, really hope that Apple releases a netbook tomorrow so I can watch your fanboy attitude change tomorrow about how netbooks are so great, etc.

I really hope they don't. The last thing Apple needs is ANOTHER laptop in the lineup. They need to make a headless tower and nothing else after that. The laptop line is pretty stuffed as is.

Besides, I doubt Apple would make a netbook at netbook prices. If I am going to get a book merely for viewing webpages and documents, and maybe dumping photos while on the go or simply because it's cheap and needs NO protection I don't want to pay $600+ for it.

The Dell Mini 9 is smoking hot because for $450 I can get Linux 1GB of RAM, 16GB flash HDD and I am good. For $50 more I can add a webcam and bluetooth. Apple would charge me $899 for the same thing.
 
Yes. This is how the industry works anyway. Not every camcorder in the market went USB2, since USB2 is still the worst way to connect to a device that has to transfer large amounts of data. Hopefully the techs working on USB3 will get their act together, and make sustained write speeds actually sustainable, and constant.



I really hope they don't. The last thing Apple needs is ANOTHER laptop in the lineup. They need to make a headless tower and nothing else after that. The laptop line is pretty stuffed as is.

Besides, I doubt Apple would make a netbook at netbook prices. If I am going to get a book merely for viewing webpages and documents, and maybe dumping photos while on the go or simply because it's cheap and needs NO protection I don't want to pay $600+ for it.

The Dell Mini 9 is smoking hot because for $450 I can get Linux 1GB of RAM, 16GB flash HDD and I am good. For $50 more I can add a webcam and bluetooth. Apple would charge me $899 for the same thing.
Of course they aren't going to make a netbook. I'm just secretly hoping they do so I can watch the fanboys go from an anti-netbook mindset to a pro-netbook mindset, since they believe that only Apple can make any decent hardware.
 
Right now I can only hope they don't plan removing FW from the Pro line of computers, even is the 15 now just has a FW800.

For most peoples uses the base 13.3 is looking pretty good price v features?
 
If I remember correctly Steve was asked about all "glossy" screens as well and he answered people "love them" or something similar. I think Arn forgot that point in the summary.
 
I really hope they don't. The last thing Apple needs is ANOTHER laptop in the lineup. They need to make a headless tower and nothing else after that. The laptop line is pretty stuffed as is.

Apples current lineup lacks variety so much closeness between the MB and MBP. Don't even get me started on the Air. They could have done better.

So far all they have is 13.3" and 15" notebooks. That just stinks imo. They consider themselves Sonys competition. But Sony has something for everyone. The business travelers, the budget conscious, the professionals etc.
 
Maybe the 17inch will have a touch screen ;)

But I agree, like I said for most users the "new" base model using the old design works just fine, still has FW and it's relatively cheap.
 
Of course they aren't going to make a netbook. I'm just secretly hoping they do so I can watch the fanboys go from an anti-netbook mindset to a pro-netbook mindset, since they believe that only Apple can make any decent hardware.

Right right! :D Because they don't think it's needed until Apple makes one, then it's the best concept EVER!

So far all they have is 13.3" and 15" notebooks. That just stinks imo. They consider themselves Sonys competition. But Sony has something for everyone. The business travelers, the budget conscious, the professionals etc.

Agreed, and if Apple brought out another model it'd be a 13.3" screen still. And at this point, there's nothing Apple could do to the model to have it fit anywhere significant in the lineup.

They could strip it down completely and make an uber cheap netbook with 13" screen and 4 lbs. for a whooping $799 though. As for variety, which I miss very much, with this new lineup and the blurring of the MB and MBP lines, I doubt we'll see a cheaper 15" book ever again.

I do miss the PowerPC days even more now, with an $899 laptop, and $1499 headless tower, and :eek: a $1299 14.1" screen laptop.
 
Blu-ray is a small niche, it will never overtake DVD and by the time people start getting into digital downloads it will be too late for it.

ROFL - sorry to be rude, but...

...you must have been living under a rock in the last months. Since HD-DVD lost the format war, you can literally see Blu-Ray developing further and further.

Do me a favor: Check your local video rental service. Then start comparing the size of the Blu-Ray department over the months. You know what tendency you will see?

Exactly, we're in the transition. The same transition your local video rental service had when the train went from VHS to DVD.

This holiday will be all about Blu-Ray, as HDTVs are so common in nearly every living room currently. Next year I think we will see the 150$ threshold fall down and then Blu-Ray will be mainstream.

I myself am currently in the deciding position, which Blu-Ray player I should get. First I thought of the PS3, but being a XBox 360 owner, I couldn't justify yet another gaming console. Therefore, and for the sake that I am in need of a new laptop, I was hoping for this notebook revision, as standalone players need to drop in price below 150, before I get one.

The digital download is not only confined to bandwidth speeds but to storage and portability. Why don't you think, M$ XBL service doesn't take off?

Simple answer is, that most 360s are equipped with 20 GB harddisks. Therefore you can dl what, two movies or three? And what, if you want to take your dowwnload on the road? Get in the gray area of fiddling around to remove the DRM just to take the movie with you? And what about the glorious extras, the disks offer?

And if digital downloads are so damn successful, why isn't the CD dead already? I mean, come on, it would be a no-dealer, in your argument, that we'd all download lossless digital albums.

We don't, cause we want a physical copy, we want a booklet and we want the extras.
 
Does Dell offer a dual-core version of that? And are you thinking about installing OS X on it? The Atom board seems to be easily adapted for OS X.

From what I read it's only the 1.6GHz single core Atom with barely enough speed to do anything other than web browsing and word processing, which is great since battery life would be through the roof.

I have heard that the Atom's make it easy to run OSX on it, but I am not much of a hacker and I have been wanting to give Linux a try for a while now. It would be a nice way to move back over to the PC market.

Ubuntu, Open Office, and Songbird would go very nicely with any third party/open source photo organizer on my (after things settle down financially) travel book.

I wouldn't mind running OSX, but I think it's time for me to branch out and see the third side of this operating system thing.

p.s. The interesting thing about the Mini is that it's smaller than the Macbook but still packs two USB ports, full sized VGA, card reader, and ethernet port. Not knocking the MacBook though.
 
From what I read it's only the 1.6GHz single core Atom with barely enough speed to do anything other than web browsing and word processing, which is great since battery life would be through the roof.

Geekbench score for the Atom (in the MSI Wind) is around 900-1100 depending on the clock frequency used. That's a bit more than a PowerBook G4 1.5GHz scores (around 800). MacBook Air with 1.6GHz is 2100 points. But it's also 350USD vs. 1800USD.
 
Geekbench score for the Atom (in the MSI Wind) is around 900-1100 depending on the clock frequency used. That's a bit more than a PowerBook G4 1.5GHz scores (around 800). MacBook Air with 1.6GHz is 2100 points. But it's also 350USD vs. 1800USD.

True, but at the time the G4 was out the PowerPC chip used was WAY behind the competition. Apple did a wonderful job of hiding it and compensating with good code in OSX.

And yes, the price point is what settles the deal for me. I wouldn't give the Mrs. anything but the Air, but I would grab the Mini or Wind for simple tasks that are too advanced for the iPhone/HTC. And since I am in the city, when the unmentionable hold up happens, I wouldn't be too upset handing over a Mini as opposed to an Air or 17" MBP.
 
This is for all those who think Blu-ray is irrelevant, taken from http://www.bluray.com. Enjoy.


Blu-ray Sales to Double this Year

Posted October 17, 2008 06:16 PM by Josh Dreuth

According to Sony Pictures Home Entertainment, sales of Blu-ray Disc movies are on pace to double this year, reaching a revenue of $1 Billion. While DVD sales are suffering from the recent economic struggles, Blu-ray sales are outpacing most other consumer electronics products. Equally impressive is that the percentage of Blu-ray sales compared to DVD sales is also increasing.

David Bishop, President of Sony Pictures Home Entertainment, commented, "Considering the bad economic news that is all around us, Blu-ray sales continue to grow at a phenomenal rate. You cannot find any consumer electronics product or new delivery system that is performing at that percentage growth rate."

Paramount has benefited the most recently, selling over 200,000 units of the recent release of 'Transformers', and over 500,000 copies of 'Iron Man' in its first week.
 
Netbook (low cost laptop) - "a nascent market that’s just getting started, really."

If you decode it properly, Jobs left us a clue...

"a nascent market that’s just getting started, really."

becomes...

"a......ce........r...t...a.................in...t...............y."

You just have to know how to read these things.
Steve's clever. Tricky. Devious.
A run-of-the-mill type genius.
 
This is for all those who think Blu-ray is irrelevant, taken from http://www.bluray.com. Enjoy.

(PR release snipped)

Well, it helps that the price of Blu-ray players have finally dropped well under US$300. You can get the excellent Sony BDP-S350 for under this price from several different retailers.

Also, the price of Blu-ray discs are much less expensive, as noted by the much lower prices of recent BR two-disc releases such as Iron Man and Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull.

I would not be surprised that at Macworld Expo in January 2009 we see the first iMacs and Mac Pro desktops sporting Blu-ray drives, especially now that both the next-generation iMac and Mac Pro machines sport graphics chips that fully decode h.264 video with full HDCP support. Apple didn't provide Blu-ray support for their notebooks probably due to chipset cost issues and the fact current BR reader drives that could fit in a laptop still consume too much power.
 
This is for all those who think Blu-ray is irrelevant, taken from http://www.bluray.com. Enjoy.


Blu-ray Sales to Double this Year

Posted October 17, 2008 06:16 PM by Josh Dreuth

{snip}

I think this is Blu-ray.com doing its best to spin a not terribly good situation.

Iron Man certainly upped sales last week, but after one week BD's share of DVD+BD sales is back around 10% and looks set to drop even further. Iron Man did well because it appealed to the only demographic that, thus far, has bought into Blu-ray: gamers. It does not appear to have taken off in any serious way outside of the gaming community. Worldwide sales of standalone players are currently around 1.5 million.

Yes, you heard that right. 1.5 million. And while a lot of PS3s have been sold as Blu-ray decks, the most optimistic estimates put that at around a third of PS3 sales, with two thirds buying PS3s primarily to play games.

Saying BD sales are doing to double this year is not being optimistic either. You'd expect, for instance, the vast majority of people who bought HD DVD to switch to Blu-ray now that HD DVD support has all but dried up (I can count the number of announced forthcoming HD DVD releases on the fingers of one hand. Literally. Deathproof, Shallow Grave, and Trainspotting. That's it.) That constitutes a million people worldwide. All Sony has to do is find another half million, and, well, you have your doubled sales of standalone players.

But that's not happening. The evidence is that actually the majority of HD DVD owners have decided not to bother switching to Blu-ray, deciding to milk their equipment for the time being and switch to other alternatives at a later date, seeing how BD fares compared to HD downloads and other technologies both existant and on the horizon.

And during most of the year, while the same things were being released for Blu-ray and DVD simultaneously, BD has generally consistently lost market share. It's only been the last two months that have bucked the trend, and thus far, Iron Man has been the only film released on DVD and Blu-ray simultaneously that reversed generally falling marketshares of such titles.

Sony was, at one point, predicting that by the end of this year, Blu-ray would be selling equally with DVD. I think it's clear now that that's just not going to happen. Doubling their marketshare remains a possibility given Blu-ray has exceptionally poor penetration, but right now I suspect the studios are probably a tad concerned that the only things they can get to sell well on Blu-ray are big action comic-book films aimed at teenagers.

From most people's perspectives, Blu-ray Disc is a failing technology. It needs a significant shake-up to make made relevant and credible, but the evidence is nobody with the authority to do so is interested in fixing it.

Which leads us on to... Job's comments this week. Jobs is concerned about the licensing, which currently makes demands of licensees that are exceptionally strict. Mac OS X, as an open operating system, would essentially die in spirit if Apple were to make Blu-ray playback a practicality. They would have to embed DRM into the operating system at a level far deeper than most people are prepared to accept.

Thus far only one attempt has been made to remake an operating system so it supports the requirements of Blu-ray (and HD DVD - the two had the same requirements for AACS controlled content), and that is Microsoft Windows Vista. And you don't need me to tell you that Vista sucks in large part because of the effects embedding the controlled framework Hollywood demanded had on the operating system.

I don't think Jobs wants to turn Mac OS X into Windows Vista.

And until they're able to persuade their fellow board members on the BDA to loosen the screws, I think it's safe to say Apple is not going to support Blu-ray on any Macintosh. You might, possibly, see it on AppleTV, given the latter is a closed system anyway. But supporting Blu-ray means destroying Mac OS X. Mac OS X is what sells Macintoshes. They will not destroy it.
 
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