Well, even though you never acknowledge when your arguments have been demolished, in this instance you are correct so I will rephrase...
"Phones are most commonly held when used"
the point I was making stands though.
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Apple on iPhone 4 Reception: Signal Strength Display Issue Only, Software Update Coming
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Well, even though you never acknowledge when your arguments have been demolished, in this instance you are correct so I will rephrase...
"Phones are most commonly held when used"
the point I was making stands though.
Until we see a working iPhone (one that doesn't drop) in that location then it's still location based. Don't forget that these microcells (?) only boost the signal, it could still end up being poor.
I'm not wrong, but I just love how you responded so arrogantly. I live in the San Francisco Bay Area and I went to my local Apple store the other day. First time I see the iPhone 4 I tested 3 phones. 2 of the 3 had the issue. I held the phone in my left hand and my thumb covered the buttons near the top and the signal dropped all the way to zero. On the 3rd phone I tested the signal stayed full, not even one drop. I did everything I could to cover up the phone with my bare hands and the signal remained strong. Maybe the good phone has a Core i5 in it and began to Turbo Boost upon me covering up the phone to blow up the signal strength.
I finally understand why Marksman isn't refuting my statements. He has me on ignore. The height of maturity.
So I'll just say to Citrate - give up on trying to communicate with Marksman - it's pointless. He's a broken record as illustrated in this thread as he tries to "enlighten" the masses.
His last comment "Drowning in money! WOOHAA!" is a perfect example.
Anyway - that being said. As a PR professional for over 20 years I'll say that Apple's PR engine is brilliant. They will no doubt create the smokescreen they want and throw it all back on the carriers (not just ATT). They will ignore history that they, themselves created the problem by increasing how the phone shows the bars a few years back when they tweaked the OS to take care of the signal issue." They are re-writing history with this press release and trying to "confuse" the public into believing they are of noble purpose.
It's great PR and fun to dissect. Unfortunately - most likely it will work. People will just hear that they fixed the issue without understanding that they actually fixed. As long as they throw focus off the real problems and/or themselves, they will "win"
So again - it will be very interesting how this pans out 1,2 or 3 weeks AFTER they release their "fix" to the public. They will either get away scot-free or they are in for another storm.
So I'll just say to Citrate - give up on trying to communicate with Marksman - it's pointless. He's a broken record as illustrated in this thread as he tries to "enlighten" the masses.
His last comment "Drowning in money! WOOHAA!" is a perfect example.
Anyway - that being said. As a PR professional for over 20 years I'll say that Apple's PR engine is brilliant. They will no doubt create the smokescreen they want and throw it all back on the carriers (not just ATT). They will ignore history that they, themselves created the problem by increasing how the phone shows the bars a few years back when they tweaked the OS to take care of the signal issue." They are re-writing history with this press release and trying to "confuse" the public into believing they are of noble purpose.
It's great PR and fun to dissect. Unfortunately - most likely it will work. People will just hear that they fixed the issue without understanding that they actually fixed. As long as they throw focus off the real problems and/or themselves, they will "win"
So again - it will be very interesting how this pans out 1,2 or 3 weeks AFTER they release their "fix" to the public. They will either get away scot-free or they are in for another storm.
I'm with you 100% on this one. My signal is fine- always has been on any other device I've ever used. I drop calls because my face hangs up or mutes the call every time I hold the phone between my ear and shoulder. Oh wait, I know, I know, I shouldn't do that! Well, unfortunately, I only have two hands and sometimes, I need to use both of them in a pinch. Why is this issue being forgotten?
RF signals vary. Rain. Interference. Passing trucks. Large trees swaying in the wind. Phone angle to the cell tower as you move around. This variation can be quite rapid (how long did it take that truck to pass). The more bars you have, the less likely it is that some signal variance will cause you not to be able to make a call, or your connection to suddenly drop, as things change.
You've questioned nearly every post that has gone against the antenna problem. There is NO proof that any iPhone 4 is not affected by this problem so far. Therefore it's safe to assume that that they all are. Having an iPhone 4 working fine in 1, 2, 3, 5, 1000 locations still isn't proof, we need one 'perfect' phone in the same location as a 'non working' one to see what happens. It hasn't happended yet and I don't expect it too.
I'm not wrong, but I just love how you responded so arrogantly. I live in the San Francisco Bay Area and I went to my local Apple store the other day. First time I see the iPhone 4 I tested 3 phones. 2 of the 3 had the issue. I held the phone in my left hand and my thumb covered the buttons near the top and the signal dropped all the way to zero. On the 3rd phone I tested the signal stayed full, not even one drop. I did everything I could to cover up the phone with my bare hands and the signal remained strong. Maybe the good phone has a Core i5 in it and began to Turbo Boost upon me covering up the phone to blow up the signal strength.
I may sound arrogant but that's because I understand the problem and quite clearly you do not. Do some reading about the problem and PM me so we can have a chat because too be honest I can't be bothered explaining the issue anymore.
Fair enough. Although I am a techie guy, I'm certainly not gonna profess that I know how the iPhone 4 works on the inside, however before we do the PM thing could you at least explain to me why 1 out of 3 iPhone 4's I tested in the Apple store maintained full signal regardless how well I covered it with my bare hands?
First, I've made like 5 or 6 posts in this thread and there are over 1500 posts, so stop lying (underlined).
Second, I don't understand your logic. What is your proof that every iP4 has the problem? You seem set that every phone does, based on what? I can't claim either situation for certain, but again part of not jumping to conclusions is, you know, not jumping to conclusions either way based on half ass evidence.
ok - I'll correct citrate because the point is still valid. Microcells provide a high 3G signal. Perhaps the maximum you can get in a small area. It is a provider of a great signal - it doesn't boost it.
But so what. Point is there are people who have them who are losing their data and voice calling ability with the iPhone 4. And no "display" fix is going to change that
Are you saying that 1 was fine and 2 were not? If so I would love to see the evidence. It's not that I don't believe you but we can all make up stories to back up our arguements.
Camera lens in on the outside. You cover it up with your hand (while holding it like any normal camera). All the photos end up looking like one dark pink blob.
And that's a defect?...
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The evidence is:
1. The problem is inherent in the antenna design - read the anandtech article here: http://www.anandtech.com/show/3794/the-iphone-4-review/2. all IP4s share this antenna design so they will all share the same attenuation problem when held.
2. After a week and over 500 pages of debate on this forum, no one has been able to provide video evidence of 2 IP4s behaving differently in the same location - despite the hundreds of videos people have put on youtube relating to this.
3. Apple are not replacing phones that have the reception issue because they say they are not faulty. They know that if you are having the problem now, you will still have the problem if they send you a new one. There are no "good" and "bad" batches.
4. Lots of people who thought that they didn't have the problem at first, came back to say that they went somewhere new and found that they did have the problem there. Similarly, lots of people have the problem at work, but not at home and vice versa.
Calm down tiger. Right... All iPhones were made at the same time (ish), so the vast majority are going to be the same. We have heard from thousands of people that the reception drop is an issue. This leads me to believe that all iPhones are affected because there are so many claims. No one has been able to sit a 'perfect' iPhone 4 next to a 'defected' one and show it working. Based on that I think I have more proof than you. Feel free to prove me wrong and I hope you do, then Apple won't have a leg to stand on.
That is all circumstantial. Who's to say that it isn't a cell tower/ iphone interaction software problem? What I'm getting at is NO ONE knows what the issue is currently. No one knows what is causing these problems and why some people have them and others don't.
Don't jump to your final conclusions based on evidence that can still point to more than one issue. Also, learn the difference between evidence and proof.
Only if you are extremely lucky. RF fields are about as smooth as ocean waves after a storm. It took microwave oven manufacturers years to figure out how to get food to cook reasonably even inside. A random placement of a wifi access point or microcell inside a building is unlikely to provide anything close to that.
And I doubt that the AT&T microcell has a MIMO antenna system to help.
Ok - correct me if I'm wrong - but the microcell works by taking an internet connection and converting it to 3G - no? So why would the 3G signal be low if the "power" feeding it is the internet connection?
Agreed, but I could've said all 3 worked or 2 out of 3 worked so I'm not disputing the fact that there's a problem of course, however I am disputing the fact that all iPhone 4's have this issue. If I make it back to my local Apple store over the weekend I'll report back with a video. Honestly I have no problem doing the video, what I have a problem with is this forum. Even with proof, this forum will somehow find a way to say that the perfectly working iPhone 4 that I discovered is still defective and I don't appreciate people doing that to me after I spent time proving a claim that I made.
spiritlevel, you surprise me. You've been around long enough to have seen this the first time with the iPhone 3G / iOS 2.0 combo release.
To all those saying it's hardware - I knew it had to be software (put aside the fact that today's press release isn't telling the full truth). For fun I tossed in my "scientific" test over the weekend on the forums - so far Apple is following suit with what I said over the course of this week. Reference: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/952756/
Long and short is Apple tweaked a known good working 3G baseband in 4.0 - from iOS 2.1 through 3.1.3 devices have shown signal strength fairly accurately and the ability to place/receive calls reflected that. Even in the current round of iPhone 4 + iOS 4.0 release there are many comments here reflecting that where EDGE is still in use there's no problem.
Let's just hope we don't wait 38 days for the fix - that was the stunt Apple pulled 2 years ago...just outside the return period of 30 days for the early adopters.
Me? I'm keeping mine - the hardware is just as expected and I'm a happy camper!
I think because people have been in the same position as myself. When I go to work I have 4-5 bars 3G and no matter what I do to the phone I get no signal drop. But when I get home I go from 4 bars to no signal by placing one finger over the black strip to bridge the antennas. Because I've seen both sides I can see why some people believe that their iPhone is 'perfect'. They could be lucky that they home and work place have good signals to start with. Until you see it it's hard to understand, but trust me it's an issue. You have to wonder why no one has been able to post a working iPhone next to a non working one?