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Case optional and not required if you have coverage providing -80 dBm or greater signal strength, or are smart enough to "hold different". And also if you think it looks good enough bare. And also don't think it's too slippery to hold bare glass and metal.

Plastic is not less slippery than glass. It's actually probably more slippery.

I take it you put rubber cases on all your drinking glasses at home.
 
You can't agree that this should have been clearly stated?

That a case was optional?

Pretty obvious when there was a whole wall full of cases when I went into the Apple store to pick up my 3G, 3GS and i4. The woman next to me spent a whole lot more time picking out a case than picking out her iPhone.
 
No you don't. Trust me.

I've tried to replicate the issue on my friend's iP4, with and without his case. I just can't do it, I've even tried putting a wire connecting past the seam, and other wacky ways but I just can't get it to happen. I'm not even in a particularly strong AT&T area either. :confused:
 
So we have amnesia?

When the 3G came up the signal was poor and after a "software update" magically the signal bar increases.

We, at home, have 4 cellphones and my iPhone is the only that always show 4 or 5 bars but when I place a call it drops or fail. My wife's Pre with only 3 or 2 bars almost complete any call successfully.

I'm pretty sure that the iPhone signal bar representation has been "touched" since the 3G early months first complains.

Now with the new "formula" we all are going to know the truth about the iPhone's poor reception issues.

Anyway... I love my iPhone 4, carrier locked by the way ::(
 
Really? The antenna is on the outside. You cover it up with your hand. Signal drops. And that's a defect?

Ok then, let's see... I use my mouth to breath... if I cover it with my hand, and I die... I guess I was built defective. God owes me!
:p

Did God put the antenna on the outside? There's no hope for some people.
 
Really? The antenna is on the outside. You cover it up with your hand. Signal drops. And that's a defect?

Ok then, let's see... I use my mouth to breath... if I cover it with my hand, and I die... I guess I was built defective. God owes me!
:p

Um...I think you're missing something quite fundamental here...phones need to be held to use. Mouths do not need to be covered to breath.
 
Really? The antenna is on the outside. You cover it up with your hand. Signal drops. And that's a defect?

Ok then, let's see... I use my mouth to breath... if I cover it with my hand, and I die... I guess I was built defective. God owes me!
:p

There are Trolls on both sides.

You are just irritating.

People that make stupid statements in hopes of spreading mis-information, while having no vested interest ARE Trolls !

You are the worst kind.
 
I've tried to replicate the issue on my friend's iP4, with and without his case. I just can't do it, I've even tried putting a wire connecting past the seam, and other wacky ways but I just can't get it to happen. I'm not even in a particularly strong AT&T area either. :confused:

The ONLY to test is go to a location where someone has a 'bad' iPhone and test there. I firmly believe that all iPhone 4's have the defect and it depends on location. People smarter than me have gone further to prove this but I've had this stance for a while.
 
I take it you put rubber cases on all your drinking glasses at home.

At home, I've got some fairly expensive glassware (mostly gifts), and have used and shown off my i4 bare.

For away from home, I've got some some very dented and/or scratched stainless steel and BPA-free plastic water bottles, and a couple mobile device cases with nasty scars to prove their worth.
 
The ONLY to test is go to a location where someone has a 'bad' iPhone and test there. I firmly believe that all iPhone 4's have the defect and it depends on location. People smarter than me have gone further to prove this but I've had this stance for a while.

What do you mean the only test? Do you understand the scientific method? Sounds like what your saying is that its more of a network issue (the underlined). Like I said, AT&T is not great here.
 
That a case was optional?

The woman next to me spent a whole lot more time picking out a case than picking out her iPhone.

Do you think that might have had something to do with the fact that there was only 2-4 iPhones to choose from and a whole wall (maybe 50?) cases to choose from?
 
What do you mean the only test? Do you understand the scientific method? Sounds like what your saying is that its more of a network issue (the underlined). Like I said, AT&T is not great here.

Citrate was correct. No one has been able to provide any evidence for 2 IP4s behaving differently in the same location. In a particular place they will either all work, or they all won't. The problem is location/signal based.

That is why apple are not replacing "faulty" phones. They are either all faulty, or none of them are faulty, depending on which side of the debate you are on...
 
What do you mean the only test? Do you understand the scientific method? Sounds like what your saying is that its more of a network issue (the underlined). Like I said, AT&T is not great here.

I think you need to look around and do some reading.

If you have a very good signal then you're not affected. Anything less then the problem occours. I can sit here in the UK with 4 bars, touch the phone with one finger and lose all signal. Anyone with a 'perfect' phone needs to go to one of these locations. It's no good saying 'it's ok where I am' because that's not point of a mobile/cellular phone. I know it's hard to understand but just open you mind and consider why so many people are complaining.
 
Um...I think you're missing something quite fundamental here...phones need to be held to use.

Gee, that's strange. How could I possibly have used my iPhones in the car (handsfree or windshield suction mount)? On during a meeting (speakerphone)? Or at my desk while typing with both hands (headset)?
 
Amen to that! It's just so frustrating when you are sitting here telling the truth, and people flat-out call you a liar, or make you feel silly because you can't learn to hold the phone a new, uncomfortable/foreign way.

Or, "just buy a case" - Why should I have to buy a case? It's like the batteries not included scenario -- If I need a case, then tell me ahead of time or include it!!

Oh the irony in your post. Many people who actually have iPhone 4's problem free are being called liars as well. I know for a fact that not all iPhone 4's have this issue. I've tested them in the Apple store.
 
Or the bars will be permanently fixed so they WON'T display the accurate hardware error! Good for iPhone 4G, good for AT&T :D

true, even better for the cell providers in the UK and Europe.. i am sure they are happy with apple changing the readout calibrations

well it will rock the world
 
Or the bars will be permanently fixed so they WON'T display the accurate hardware error! Good for iPhone 4G, good for AT&T :D

I used to think that a binary indicator would be all that's necessary... either there is signal or there isn't, but you made me realize NO INDICATOR IS NECESSARY. Either enough signal is there to make a call, or receive a call, or you get a bubble "searching for signal."

What is the point of the indicator?
 
Oh the irony in your post. Many people who actually have iPhone 4's problem free are being called liars as well. I know for a fact that not all iPhone 4's have this issue. I've tested them in the Apple store.

Location!!! You're wrong, rhanley is right.
 
Seems pretty straightforward. Remember when the 3G came out and there were serious reception issues? Apple released an update to alleviate the problem. They made it sound complicated, but they likely did the following.

Code:
if bars < 3:
   bars = bars + 2

Now they mention the "incorrect algorithm". Guess they'll remove that old "fix". :)
Pretty much. Will take them a few weeks to remove it. Ya, right.
But they're also gonna make bars 1-3 taller so it doesn't feel like you're getting as little signal as it sounds.
 
In a particular place they will either all work, or they all won't. The problem is location/signal based.

When you manufacture several million devices, some tiny percentage are likely to have some sort of defect. Even with a 0.01% defect rate, you might have hundreds or thousands of devices that "work different".

Also, so far, no one has tested their hands with a "lie detector" type galvanometer for skin resistance. That could also be one very large variable.
 
I used to think that a binary indicator would be all that's necessary... either there is signal or there isn't, but you made me realize NO INDICATOR IS NECESSARY. Either enough signal is there to make a call, or receive a call, or you get a bubble "searching for signal."

What is the point of the indicator?

Same as battery I guess. You want to know when you phone may die, and you want to know when your call could fail.
 
I think you need to look around and do some reading.

If you have a very good signal then you're not affected. Anything less then the problem occours. I can sit here in the UK with 4 bars, touch the phone with one finger and lose all signal. Anyone with a 'perfect' phone needs to go to one of these locations. It's no good saying 'it's ok where I am' because that's not point of a mobile/cellular phone. I know it's hard to understand but just open you mind and consider why so many people are complaining.
I've just said in two different posts that AT&T is NOT good in this area. My friends get 2-3 bars (iP4) or 2-4 bars (outside, 3G).

Did I say that there was no problem? Can you guys at least point to where I even hinted at that? All I've done is the open minded thing, tried to test and drawn my conclusion: There is a problem, but its either not in all iPhones or it is a combination of a network AND phone flaw. How else exactly does my mind need to be opened?
 
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